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First off, apologies to MV for again being late to the party and replying to comments that are hours old, I will speak with the universe lord and see if we can move Australia to get us into a more reasonable timezone - although we may just send Tasmania as we don't want it anyway 
Stoner's issues with VR during the LS race were regarding moves that were made around certain parts of the circuit where (CS has stated) VR rode him off to the edge of the track unnecessarily, moves he considered dangerous.
As for you latter commentary, it still makes you a hater using your own descriptions of others that are haters because they have a competing opinion, so as I said previously, welcome.
FWIW, many you accuse of hating are not hating a rider just as you claim not to be but as for bopper, well I counter by saying that anytime anyone is even remotely critical or even suggesting of critique of Rossi, you are very quick to defend. May not be classical bopper (as you can put a sentence and argument together) but certainly there does seem a large yellow tinge to your thinking (and that does not say that there are not those who enjoy painting the yellow black with their dislike)
To be fair here, CS was more concerned with other moves, moves said to be similar to that which were complained of last year.
As for the JL overtake, if I recall correctly such was CS' concerns and respect for JL and the situation he even apologised to JL post race as he believed that he may have gotten to close to JL. JL rebuffed the apology as unnecessary as he did not think there was anything in the move that was dangerous
This is where CS had the issue.
I have rewatched multiple times and yes it happens but to me it was little different to the way Doohan rode which was if you end up outside of me, I will be using all of the track, your choice to lift or stay on the throttle.
I have said a number of times that LS 2008 is a great race to watch for people to understand race craft and how to use a bike in a manner that makes it damn near impossible to overtake. Whether clean, dirty or unsafe is all for our opinion, but it was a fantastic example of riding to a plan (all IMO of course)
May be wrong but MM is leading the championship and thus he has been the best rider this year.
3 dnf's so far does not indicate best as to be best, first you must finish
Stoner's issues with VR during the LS race were regarding moves that were made around certain parts of the circuit where (CS has stated) VR rode him off to the edge of the track unnecessarily, moves he considered dangerous.
As for you latter commentary, it still makes you a hater using your own descriptions of others that are haters because they have a competing opinion, so as I said previously, welcome.
FWIW, many you accuse of hating are not hating a rider just as you claim not to be but as for bopper, well I counter by saying that anytime anyone is even remotely critical or even suggesting of critique of Rossi, you are very quick to defend. May not be classical bopper (as you can put a sentence and argument together) but certainly there does seem a large yellow tinge to your thinking (and that does not say that there are not those who enjoy painting the yellow black with their dislike)
To be fair here, CS was more concerned with other moves, moves said to be similar to that which were complained of last year.
As for the JL overtake, if I recall correctly such was CS' concerns and respect for JL and the situation he even apologised to JL post race as he believed that he may have gotten to close to JL. JL rebuffed the apology as unnecessary as he did not think there was anything in the move that was dangerous
This is where CS had the issue.
I have rewatched multiple times and yes it happens but to me it was little different to the way Doohan rode which was if you end up outside of me, I will be using all of the track, your choice to lift or stay on the throttle.
I have said a number of times that LS 2008 is a great race to watch for people to understand race craft and how to use a bike in a manner that makes it damn near impossible to overtake. Whether clean, dirty or unsafe is all for our opinion, but it was a fantastic example of riding to a plan (all IMO of course)
May be wrong but MM is leading the championship and thus he has been the best rider this year.
3 dnf's so far does not indicate best as to be best, first you must finish
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And if it had not of rained, Lorenzo would have won.
or
If Graziano had pulled out there would be no Valentino
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If Casey Stoner was still riding you would still be whinging ........... hang on, wait, that is likely to be true
Nope, he managed the risk and returned points
Others did not manage the risk as well and returned zero points
Zero points is a far more dismal effort than is 6 points
Not pure luck at all ............ risk management
Why is it that the usual diatribe is that JL is 'lucky' when riders fall in front and as a result he gains points, but not all riders are afforded the same insult?
Luck combined with speed of reaction and probably skill is what assisted Marquez to avoid a serious off in practice, there was no luck in JL's performance but there was risk management.
At the end of the season if those 6 points place him first then it certainly will not have been luck or a dismal performance as afterall, last years title was decided by 5 points making the decision to manage the risk for JL even more pertinent with the recent history.
Sure it may not have been pretty, but then, world championships are not based on looks
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I would say Lorenzo was using risk management if he was at least maintaining a position in the points. But he was last and as far as he knew, he wasn't going to score any points. That is only risk management in the sense that he was staying on track hoping a miracle happened (fortunately for him it came).
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Not really.
Let us not forget that it was not consistent or constant rain - it either bucketed or dried up, thus he may well have been quite capable in either the full wet or the full dry conditions to improve and overtake many riders who were in front, afterall he is on a superior bike to most.
As far as miracle, let us be honest, the waters did part and he was able to gain some points on VR whilst losing 14 points to MM which still places him within a single race in total.
Certainly, not an ideal weekend but one worth 6 points which is more than the factory riders at Ducati, Rossi and Pedrosa combined scored so not altogether a dismal or failed weekend either.
The person who wins the title accumulates points at years end so 1 point today could decide the title at years end, he got 6 of them all up.
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Doing your damn best to make him sound like a 'coward'. Running away scared of big bad Marq.
BTW you are working very hard at making the guy who rode what was almost universally agreed on to be the hardest machine on the grid requiring the biggest set to ride to the limit to a number of wins, a 'coward'.
Nice try, we all know who lacked the courage to ride the Duc to the limit. No hang on that's something you would say, its not lacking the courage or being a coward he simply didn't have the talent.
To match.
His ambition.
No shame in that.
Tell the backmarkers that earning 6 points isn't competitive.
Sure one could rightly expect JL to perform better given the experience and equipment level, but as has been stated many times he has issues at Assen in the wet following the big accident of a few years back. Even Wilco Zeelenberg stated that he lost .3 - .4 per lap in the very sector where he had the off and when you combine that with the wet/damp conditions it is safe to say that he erred on the side of caution.
All with minimal harm to his title chase as he remained upright and gained a few points, although if he loses the title by less than 14 points at the end of the year he may well question whether he erred to much on the caution side, but then, each year riders could say that
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If my opinion is that he lacked enough motivation to continue to compete, didn't want to compete anymore, quit. That's not calling him a coward, he was never scared to ride or scared to push to the limit on track.
As much as Rossi crashed on the Duc, I don't know how you could come to the conclusion that he lacked the courage to push it to the limit. You could say he lacked the skill set that Stoner possessed to get more speed out of the bike, but whatever the limit was for his riding style and skill set... he routinely took the bike to it and beyond.
It was risk management in that he was in a competitive position in the championship and was going to remain so given there were always going to be 9 races to follow, except if he crashed out and injured himself as he did in 2013, in pursuit of a few points, which could cost him the championship as it possibly did in 2013, while a few points can be made up, as he managed to do last year when he was further behind at this stage.
The guy has proved himself to be tough beyond belief, both physically and mentally, including riding here within 2 days of the aforementioned clavicular fracture and plating, riding in his rookie year with ankle fractures, and returning from multiple concussions, and hanging tough and riding mistake free in the final 3 races last year while your boy melted down.
I didn't start off as a fan but I think you misread Jorge's motivation, which is mainly the chasing of titles with a ferocity similar to your boy's. Sure he has a problem with his riding style on this track particularly in the wet and perhaps even some mental issues because of his past experience there, but I would hazard a guess that putting himself out of championship contention through an injury is his greatest fear. If there were only 3 races to go and he was more than 10 points behind perhaps your argument would have more validity. As it eventuated he left Assen uninjured and managed to take some points when they became available, and is within 24 points of MM with MM still battling bike issues and 9 races (10 actually) remaining, in which hopefully he can stay away from Iannone.
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No but this is.
Lacked motivation? Quit the crayfish. Have some conviction son, show some backbone, you think he was scared, he ran away from a fight, you think he was a coward.
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Have a look at the Silverstone race in 2011, held in atrocious conditions. Big brave Rossi finished the race:
- over a minute behind eventual winner, quitter Casey Stoner
- 35 seconds behind his team-mate, Nicky Hayden
An dismal effort.
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Right, but see the issue is while Jorge was lapping in last place he was accepting the same result he would've achieved by just sitting in the pits and watching the race on one of the screens. If he wanted to ensure he didn't get injured and was willing to "race" outside of a points earning position... why get on track at all (other than to hope for a miracle)?
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I'll admit some of what you quoted was motivated by my desire to piss off JPS.
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What is the old saying... Something like it is better to be lucky than good. Sunday, luck was a higher valued commodity than good.
No.. No, I take that back. Luck and common sense not to push yourself if you knew you were riding for .... and wasn't comfortable was the commodity to have. That is common sense, with a some luck sprinkled on top.
Sometimes big balls puts you in the gravel..
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Both Rossi and Burgess said that Stoner's basic method was to almost crash the bike in every corner then save it, and that Rossi couldn't or wouldn't do that. Certainly among the requirements for that method was commitment and bravery.
Stoner quit as the defending titleholder holding the championship lead with the highest offer Honda had ever made a racer on the table, said offer being made despite Honda presumably being aware MM was in the wings. This stuff about Stoner being scared of MM is even weaker than the usual arguments you guys run, MM at the time had just dodged a career threatening eye problem resulting from the Willairot incident, and was regarded as an accident waiting to happen which is indeed how Jorge and Dani regarded him for the whole of his rookie premier class season. There is every chance Stoner would have been in strong contention for the title in at least 2013 and 2015 given Jorge against whom he was competitive contended in those years, and HRC would seem to have considered this to be the case hence the 20 million.
The way he rode required total commitment, as does the sport itself anyway. He didn't think he could offer that any more, so he quit, for which I applaud him. People in my profession decide this not infrequently, even sometimes despite being the very best at what they do, and this is regarded far better than continuing to take the money with less than full commitment.
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Did you not read his post race interviews? He said he considered doing just that.
