Assen 2016

moto vudu · Jun 27, 2016

michaelm said:
You can try to spin it any way you like, but both said this very specifically on several occasions. I very deliberately said in the face of your mentally weak quitter talk that the way Stoner rode required great commitment and bravery, not that Rossi lacked these qualities btw

I am happy to debate these things all day, it doesn't offend me at all, but you were the one who was talking big pre-race on the basis of qualifying and one of those posting provocatively post race, often on the fallacious basis of what you thought your opponents might say, so crying foul yourself is a little rich imo.

The only thing I did have a strong issue with was your questioning of Jorge's courage, I am still amazed from a medical perspective he managed to ride the Assen 2013 race. It was called unprecedented and heroic when Edwards did it 9 days after a similar injury a couple of years before.

Is there a rider on the grid that does not display a great commitment and bravery when it comes to the way they ride a motorcycle? The criticism directed at quitting/retiring while in his prime is not in any way related to racing ability.

Talking big pre-race? I brought up that when Rossi got in MV's slipstream at Mugello, he was called a coward. He was slow and needs a tow. Dovi got pole position at Assen because he was towed by Rossi, some time passed, nobody had anything to say about it. Pointing out the hypocrisy is considered "big pre-race talk"? It's 2nd or 3rd time you have brought up the pre-race talk, something got under your skin. Odd because I don't recall my pre-race talk being negative toward Lorenzo. I remember stating that it was too early to count him out of the race because all the top riders have had a weekend where they struggled in practice and qualifying, but go on to finish well in the race.

Perhaps Jorge should not have raced Assen with a fractured collarbone. Maybe that caused more mental anguish than the bad crashes he had at other tracks. He managed 5th place, but if he was in excruciating pain the entire race it's possible that had a traumatic effect on his psyche.

Gaz · Jun 27, 2016

A sensational shot of Ianonne in the rain from the weekend - almost gives an impression of snow with the light

Gaz · Jun 27, 2016

Just saw an interesting statement .............. apparently every single rider from the MotoGP class, fell at least once across the weekend

Wonder when the last time that occurred was?

michaelm · Jun 27, 2016

moto vudu said:
Is there a rider on the grid that does not display a great commitment and bravery when it comes to the way they ride a motorcycle? The criticism directed at quitting/retiring while in his prime is not in any way related to racing ability.

Talking big pre-race? I brought up that when Rossi got in MV's slipstream at Mugello, he was called a coward. He was slow and needs a tow. Dovi got pole position at Assen because he was towed by Rossi, some time passed, nobody had anything to say about it. Pointing out the hypocrisy is considered "big pre-race talk"? It's 2nd or 3rd time you have brought up the pre-race talk, something got under your skin. Odd because I don't recall my pre-race talk being negative toward Lorenzo. I remember stating that it was too early to count him out of the race because all the top riders have had a weekend where they struggled in practice and qualifying, but go on to finish well in the race.

Perhaps Jorge should not have raced Assen with a fractured collarbone. Maybe that caused more mental anguish than the bad crashes he had at other tracks. He managed 5th place, but if he was in excruciating pain the entire race it's possible that had a traumatic effect on his psyche.

My issues with the pre-race talk about the tow were first that I didn't notice it which admittedly may reflect my bias although I was watching the TV coverage rather than the more detailed motogp.com coverage (to which I do subscribe btw) and they may not have shown that portion of the lap, and secondly that Dovi got pole by over 0.7 seconds, which I doubt even VR can gift him. More to the point, the issue with the Vinales non-pole was that it was by a millisecond which could conceivably have been the result of the tow, and that his current team, rather than me or even JPS, raised the issue and implied he may have given away a pole they would quite liked to have had on their record. As I posted pre-race, I am not aware that Yamaha complained about VR helping Dovi to a pole if he did so help him, and I am almost certain that Dovi is not going to be VR's team-mate on the Yamaha factory team next year. I don't have much issue with riders voluntarily giving tows, but they are certainly not obliged to give them, seeking them was being penalised by penalty points in moto 3 before the recent changes to the penalty point system, and I thought Suzuki's attitude was understandable given that Vinales is not yet VR's team-mate and still contracted currently to them and hence they could not unreasonably have the expectation that he would ride in their interests rather than that of his future team.

I think it took particular bravery and commitment to ride the Ducati as Stoner did, not just what they all have, and you can disagree with me if you like but VR and JB do not, and basically said he had to be crazy to ride it the way he did. You also did directly question Stoner's courage and mental strength, attributing his retirement to fear of MM for instance. I realise you were trolling JPS, but you left yourself open for someone to counter troll/troll you back. Tough for you, I am afraid.

moto vudu · Jun 27, 2016

michaelm said:
My issues with the pre-race talk about the tow were first that I didn't notice it which admittedly may reflect my bias although I was watching the TV coverage rather than the more detailed motogp.com coverage (to which I do subscribe btw) and they may not have shown that portion of the lap, and secondly that Dovi got pole by over 0.7 seconds, which I doubt even VR can gift him. More to the point, the issue with the Vinales non-pole was that it was by a millisecond which could conceivably have been the result of the tow, and that his current team, rather than me or even JPS, raised the issue and implied he may have given away a pole they would quite liked to have had on their record. As I posted pre-race, I am not aware that Yamaha complained about VR helping Dovi to a pole if he did so help him, and I am almost certain that Dovi is not going to be VR's team-mate on the Yamaha factory team next year. I don't have much issue with riders voluntarily giving tows, but they are certainly not obliged to give them, seeking them was being penalised by penalty points in moto 3 before the recent changes to the penalty point system, and I thought Suzuki's attitude was understandable given that Vinales is not yet VR's team-mate and still contracted currently to them and hence they could not unreasonably have the expectation that he would ride in their interests rather than that of his future team.

I think it took particular bravery and commitment to ride the Ducati as Stoner did, not just what they all have, and you can disagree with me if you like but VR and JB do not, and basically said he had to be crazy to ride it the way he did. You also did directly question Stoner's courage and mental strength, attributing his retirement to fear of MM for instance. I realise you were trolling JPS, but you left yourself open for someone to counter troll/troll you back. Tough for you, I am afraid.

I still don't see how Suzuki could complain about being robbed from a pole position because Rossi used MV's slipstream when both their riders benefited from slipstreaming in the same session. Can't be for slipstreaming when it works in their advantage, but then complain about it when someone else gets the advantage.

At Assen, the 3 top qualifiers all finished together with Rossi leading the pack.

I don't know if Rossi helped Dovi on purpose, but he didn't care since he was still on the front row.

I'm fine with being counter-trollled for saying MM would break Stoner. Do you think if Stoner did not retire, HRC would have shown Pedrosa the door to free up a seat for Marquez? I don't think they (Casey/Marc) would have gotten along well, maybe even a worse relationship than Rossi and Lorenzo. That strong inner team rivalry may have kept Stoner's desire to compete strong, or he would have become too frustrated dealing with Marc and retired after his contract was up.

Gaz · Jun 27, 2016

moto vudu said:
I still don't see how Suzuki could complain about being robbed from a pole position because Rossi used MV's slipstream when both their riders benefited from slipstreaming in the same session. Can't be for slipstreaming when it works in their advantage, but then complain about it when someone else gets the advantage.

Quite simply, they missed out on a pole position, something that is extremely rare for them in the modern GP age and as such they were miffed.

Couple this with the very fact that it occurred within a few days of the 'towing rider' (Vinales) announcing his move to ride in a different team, the very team and future team mate that he then led and to whom he provided a tow (deliberate or otherwise).

You are trying to make it to complex as it was more who and timing of the tow, then the tow itself.

moto vudu said:
I'm fine with being counter-trollled for saying MM would break Stoner. Do you think if Stoner did not retire, HRC would have shown Pedrosa the door to free up a seat for Marquez? I don't think they (Casey/Marc) would have gotten along well, maybe even a worse relationship than Rossi and Lorenzo. That strong inner team rivalry may have kept Stoner's desire to compete strong, or he would have become too frustrated dealing with Marc and retired after his contract was up.

Nope as there was already stalk of a three bike factory team with CS, DP and MM if the then in place rookie rule could have been removed (which it subsequently was, but may not if CS/DP were to remain and instead we would have seen a similar quasi-factory setup to that of the VR Nastro team of years back).

As for the rest, pure speculation but let that not stop us as from reports and comments that I hear and that relayed from many journalists etc, Stoner is not that difficult to get along with and given that he encourages a competitive team mate (look no further to his relationship with Pedrosa), any angst would not have been his side of the garage.

As for retirement, good to see that you are leaning that was as he did actually retire when his contract was up - he did not retire mid contract and was actually offered a separate single year deal to allow MM to experience the rookie rule and only on his announcement did Honda start to agitate for the removal of the rule

michaelm · Jun 27, 2016

Gaz said:
Quite simply, they missed out on a pole position, something that is extremely rare for them in the modern GP age and as such they were miffed.

Couple this with the very fact that it occurred within a few days of the 'towing rider' (Vinales) announcing his move to ride in a different team, the very team and future team mate that he then led and to whom he provided a tow (deliberate or otherwise).

You are trying to make it to complex as it was more who and timing of the tow, then the tow itself.

Nope as there was already stalk of a three bike factory team with CS, DP and MM if the then in place rookie rule could have been removed (which it subsequently was, but may not if CS/DP were to remain and instead we would have seen a similar quasi-factory setup to that of the VR Nastro team of years back).

As for the rest, pure speculation but let that not stop us as from reports and comments that I hear and that relayed from many journalists etc, Stoner is not that difficult to get along with and given that he encourages a competitive team mate (look no further to his relationship with Pedrosa), any angst would not have been his side of the garage.

As for retirement, good to see that you are leaning that was as he did actually retire when his contract was up - he did not retire mid contract and was actually offered a separate single year deal to allow MM to experience the rookie rule and only on his announcement did Honda start to agitate for the removal of the rule

It may have been more the reverse, it was widely rumoured that MM's team nixed Stoner as a replacement rider for DP last year, although if so this was likely down to Alzamora rather than MM himself imo.

I think MM was looked at as very promising in 2012, but as you say he would not necessarily have even been on the factory team in his rookie year in 2013, and when he did get there people initially thought he would crash too much to win in his rookie year, and continued to expect this during much of that year. I doubt Stoner would have been daunted by MM's riding prowess even though I am not confident he would have beaten him over a season except for perhaps the first, but MM is certainly more resilient in the face of criticism etc as events since PI 2015 have demonstrated.

birdman · Jun 27, 2016

Its well known Rossi struggles with the new qualy formate and has looked to get a tow from Lorenzo. Boppers were mad that Lorenzo would get notified with the tricycle, claiming it was an insult and disrespectful to 9 times.

So with Lorenzo aware of the tactic Rossi moved on to MV, and at Mugello it worked.

Now if Dovi continues to follow Rossi in qualy it may become a talking point but honestly if Rossi generally struggles with 15 minute qualy why would Dovi or anyone else bother to use it as a pre-planned tactic.

That is the crux of the issue, is the tow a pre-planned tactic. It appears to me Suzuki became aware with Rossi following MV it was and sought to put a stop to it, especially when MV had signed for Yamaha.

michaelm · Jun 28, 2016

moto vudu said:
I still don't see how Suzuki could complain about being robbed from a pole position because Rossi used MV's slipstream when both their riders benefited from slipstreaming in the same session. Can't be for slipstreaming when it works in their advantage, but then complain about it when someone else gets the advantage.

At Assen, the 3 top qualifiers all finished together with Rossi leading the pack.

I don't know if Rossi helped Dovi on purpose, but he didn't care since he was still on the front row.

I'm fine with being counter-trollled for saying MM would break Stoner. Do you think if Stoner did not retire, HRC would have shown Pedrosa the door to free up a seat for Marquez? I don't think they (Casey/Marc) would have gotten along well, maybe even a worse relationship than Rossi and Lorenzo. That strong inner team rivalry may have kept Stoner's desire to compete strong, or he would have become too frustrated dealing with Marc and retired after his contract was up.

Dovi's pole lap was 0.715 seconds faster than Rossi's lap, so the argument applies much more than when you applied it to Rossi's pole lap at Mugello which was by less than a tenth ie there was considerable catching and passing as opposed to towing.

JPSLotus · Jun 28, 2016

moto vudu said:
It's not even remotely accurate to say all my posts are about Rossi. You can post "Rossi is garbage" all you want, but it's telling how emotional you get when trolling comes back your way. Don't dish out what you can't take in return.

JPS: Rossi sucks! He's slow.
moto vudu: Stoner's a quitter
JPS: .... you! You ....! ....... ....! Custard Yellow Rossi .....!!

Bro, you really need to stop with the misrepresentations to try and win points because all you do is lose.

Nearly every post you have made for a number of pages has nothing to do with the Dutch TT, and basically ....... up the thread. You could easily have created a Rossi vs. Stoner topic if you were that interested in discussing the two.

You may be trolling, but it's terrible trolling because it's all centered on your own stupidity. A lot of your trolls happen to be your genuinely held beliefs. That's why I spent a number of posts calling you a moron because when you're clearly not interested in having a real discussion. Same thing I did to Daniboy. Don't come here, post like a moron, and then think people are going to be cordial. I post here precisely because it's not bopper mania like other racing forums I would post on. If I wanted to listen to that mindless ...., I'd go there. You on the other hand showed up when Rossi was melting down because you felt it your duty to counterbalance what was being said here.

Pro-tip: If you are proven wrong, admit it. I've had no problem doing so myself when wrong. You didn't especially in light of the whole greatness isn't possible without longevity horseshit.

yamfan · Jun 28, 2016

What I don't understand is why everytime Rossi has a good result, his supposed fans pile onto the forum not to celebrate this, but to pour scorn on his closest rivals, past or present.
Why do they feel this childish need to insult or mock riders who have more skill and determination than any of us could dream of having?
I don't see a problem with them celebrating a good Rossi performance, but why the need to take pot shots at other riders. Are they true supporters of the sport and Rossi, or simply lonely trolls looking for a bit of online attention.
Surely the race threads are here for fans to discuss the race, not turn into petty crap throwing arguments.

JPSLotus · Jun 28, 2016

yamfan said:
What I don't understand is why everytime Rossi has a good result, his supposed fans pile onto the forum not to celebrate this, but to pour scorn on his closest rivals, past or present.
Why do they feel this childish need to insult or mock riders who have more skill and determination than any of us could dream of having?
I don't see a problem with them celebrating a good Rossi performance, but why the need to take pot shots at other riders. Are they true supporters of the sport and Rossi, or simply lonely trolls looking for a bit of online attention.
Surely the race threads are here for fans to discuss the race, not turn into petty crap throwing arguments.

Glancing around the internet at large, the people who have spent the most time questioning Jorge Lorenzo's toughness, mental fortitude, and general commitment to the sport are all Rossi fans as best as I can tell.

It's the same .... that has been going on for well over a decade, where the need to disparage every rider becomes all too important for them. Rossi crashed out and myself along with the rest of the "Rossi haters" said virtually nothing about it. I just remarked he was out, and the only other discussion about Rossi's crash was related to the cause of the crash; pushing too hard. Vudu in particular was keen to tell us how he would troll the forum endlessly every time Rossi won a race, or even the championship. Yet, Rossi didn't win the Dutch TT, and still had to go there because he felt the "Rossi haters" were out in full force even though nothing of the sort happened. Instead he had to turn the conversation into a disparaging session about two of the largest threats Rossi ever faced on track; Stoner and Lorenzo. For what reason does this even serve? It's more glory hunting where the anguish of seeing Rossi make an error that ended his race, resulted in the predictable lashing out against other riders to try and make himself feel better; Stoner "quit" and Lorenzo can't ride in the rain and has no heart and will be going to Ducati.

But don't worry, Vudu will tell us how we're only here to bash Rossi even when a number of us tried to turn the conversation back to Jack Miller.

Cool Blue · Jun 28, 2016

JPSLotus said:
I really felt bad since I thought he couldn't get out of his own way, and was prone to doing really dumb .... at inopportune times. But you could tell what others thought of him was weighing on him heavily.

Erm... It's called catharsis no??

Im sure the pressure was unbelievable by day-to-day standards.
And yet...
Yeh, plenty of opinions bouncing around on that ha?

He's a good lad basically. Full disclosure: I'm a fellow Townsvillite.

I mean, think about it... He suddenly found himself competitive on the KTM in Moto 3, he was instantly comfortable leading and winning races. To me, that's an indication of talent and stability. Sure, he's a bit gauche, but... Yeh... there are different kinds of intelligence...watch that space... plenty of time to develop.

moto vudu · Jun 28, 2016

JPSLotus said:
Bro, you really need to stop with the misrepresentations to try and win points because all you do is lose.

Nearly every post you have made for a number of pages has nothing to do with the Dutch TT, and basically ....... up the thread. You could easily have created a Rossi vs. Stoner topic if you were that interested in discussing the two.

You may be trolling, but it's terrible trolling because it's all centered on your own stupidity. A lot of your trolls happen to be your genuinely held beliefs. That's why I spent a number of posts calling you a moron because when you're clearly not interested in having a real discussion. Same thing I did to Daniboy. Don't come here, post like a moron, and then think people are going to be cordial. I post here precisely because it's not bopper mania like other racing forums I would post on. If I wanted to listen to that mindless ...., I'd go there. You on the other hand showed up when Rossi was melting down because you felt it your duty to counterbalance what was being said here.

Pro-tip: If you are proven wrong, admit it. I've had no problem doing so myself when wrong. You didn't especially in light of the whole greatness isn't possible without longevity horseshit.

I've called you out time and time again for turning every thread into a Rossi ..... session. No matter what the topic, 9 times out of 10 you find a way to make it about Rossi.

Now you're whining that this race thread was ruined when every race thread is full of BSing. IMO, you're just upset that you didn't control the direction of the BSing.

You really think your "Everything that happens in MotoGP is a conspiracy to help Rossi" views doesn't reflect your stupidity? That's good trolling to you? Honestly, it must be effective because when I give you back
the same level of trolling it causes you to get emotional. Oh, I'm stupid... I'm a moron. What's wrong JPS? You're a sensitive little ..... aren't you?

Jumkie (among others including you) came in here spewing "Race Direction red flagged the race for Rossi" conspiracy and I called him out on it. That's what ruined the thread for you?

JPSLotus · Jun 28, 2016

Cool Blue said:
Erm... It's called catharsis no??

Im sure the pressure was unbelievable by day-to-day standards.
And yet...
Yeh, plenty of opinions bouncing around on that ha?

He's a good lad basically. Full disclosure: I'm a fellow Townsvillite.

I mean, think about it... He suddenly found himself competitive on the KTM in Moto 3, he was instantly comfortable leading and winning races. To me, that's an indication of talent and stability. Sure, he's a bit gauche, but... Yeh... there are different kinds of intelligence...watch that space... plenty of time to develop.

The good thing with his victory is that we saw what it did for Toni Elias, where he was able to hang around GP for many more years that might have expected. Hell he even got to ride that Forward Yamaha for part of last season, and survived those other demotions to Moto2. I suspect we will see Miller around for quite a bit longer than might have been expected, and I'm hoping with all of his improvements on the Marc VDS, we'll see him back on the LCR. It might be because I'm sick of watching Pedrosa occupying the second Repsol Honda, but imagine if Miller wound up on that bike? He's the only Honda backed satellite rider to give them a race win in recent times so surely that's got to count for something?

I think we forget about the pressure these guys are under where your job is never safe unless you happen to be one of the select few. Look at Stefan Bradl, he went to the Aprilia Gresini and now finds himself out of there because they thought Lowes and Espargaro were better options for them. Now he has nothing as of this time. Doesn't take much to find yourself out of GP. There's little stability to be seen outside of at HRC and Yamaha.

JPSLotus · Jun 28, 2016

moto vudu said:
I've called you out time and time again for turning every thread into a Rossi ..... session. No matter what the topic, 9 times out of 10 you find a way to make it about Rossi.

Now you're whining that this race thread was ruined when every race thread is full of BSing. IMO, you're just upset that you didn't control the direction of the BSing.

You really think your "Everything that happens in MotoGP is a conspiracy to help Rossi" doesn't reflect your stupidity? That's good trolling to you? Honestly, it must be effective because when I give you back
the same level of trolling it causes you to get emotional. Oh, I'm stupid... I'm a moron. What's wrong JPS? You're a sensitive little ..... aren't you?

Jumkie came in here with here spewing "Race Direction red flagged the race for Rossi" conspiracy and I called him out on it. That's what ruined the thread for you?

I didn't turn it into a Rossi ..... fest, you turned it into a Stoner ..... fest as soon as you felt like your ...... was being stuffed with extra salt. Don't forget, I replied to someone else who is another pro-Rossi troll --that fled this forum in an exodus never seen before-- and you had to jump in to comment about something that wasn't even directed at you. Go back and check my post which was #266 in the topic, and then there you are with post #267 with menstrual blood flowing down your legs doing your best to look like Carrie at the school dance. You weren't trolling, you had the red mist in your eyes and started ranting about Stoner ever since.

You're a terrible troll bro. I say that with the utmost sincerity because you try to play both sides of the coin. When you get called on generally stupid posts, you will play the "I'm trolling" card as a way to weasel out of it.

Don't bring up Jumkie, this whole thing was you being bent out of shape over anyone saying ANYTHING regarding VR that you perceive to be detracting from his supposed "greatness". Instead of taking responsibility for anything --much like VR who you no doubt are influenced by heavily-- you blame everyone else for what you do. It's like the rapist who tells the victim, "Babe, if only you didn't wear those short ... ....... skirts I wouldn't be doing this...what did you expect to happen? I'm only reacting to how you dressed."

michaelm · Jun 28, 2016

moto vudu said:
I've called you out time and time again for turning every thread into a Rossi ..... session. No matter what the topic, 9 times out of 10 you find a way to make it about Rossi.

Now you're whining that this race thread was ruined when every race thread is full of BSing. IMO, you're just upset that you didn't control the direction of the BSing.

You really think your "Everything that happens in MotoGP is a conspiracy to help Rossi" views doesn't reflect your stupidity? That's good trolling to you? Honestly, it must be effective because when I give you back
the same level of trolling it causes you to get emotional. Oh, I'm stupid... I'm a moron. What's wrong JPS? You're a sensitive little ..... aren't you?

Jumkie (among others including you) came in here spewing "Race Direction red flagged the race for Rossi" conspiracy and I called him out on it. That's what ruined the thread for you?

The Red flag conspiracy theory was rather disproved by RD re-starting the race.

Still doesn't exonerate you really though, since you basically are reduced to nit- picking details and spur of the moment reactions and positing moral equivalence between disparate events and pretending this disproves entire arguments which you ate unable to re-but.

As I have repeatedly said and you have repeatedly ignored it is fairly ludicrous for you to try to accuse a few individual posters on here of being conspiracy theorists in defending your boy Rossi given the overarching conspiracy theory your boy propounded to the world press at large last year rather than on an obscure Internet forum and from which he has not resolved.

povol · Jun 28, 2016

JPSLotus said:
Glancing around the internet at large, the people who have spent the most time questioning Jorge Lorenzo's toughness, mental fortitude, and general commitment to the sport are all Rossi fans as best as I can tell.

It's the same .... that has been going on for well over a decade, where the need to disparage every rider becomes all too important for them. Rossi crashed out and myself along with the rest of the "Rossi haters" said virtually nothing about it. I just remarked he was out, and the only other discussion about Rossi's crash was related to the cause of the crash; pushing too hard. Vudu in particular was keen to tell us how he would troll the forum endlessly every time Rossi won a race, or even the championship. Yet, Rossi didn't win the Dutch TT, and still had to go there because he felt the "Rossi haters" were out in full force even though nothing of the sort happened. Instead he had to turn the conversation into a disparaging session about two of the largest threats Rossi ever faced on track; Stoner and Lorenzo. For what reason does this even serve? It's more glory hunting where the anguish of seeing Rossi make an error that ended his race, resulted in the predictable lashing out against other riders to try and make himself feel better; Stoner "quit" and Lorenzo can't ride in the rain and has no heart and will be going to Ducati.

But don't worry, Vudu will tell us how we're only here to bash Rossi even when a number of us tried to turn the conversation back to Jack Miller.

Yep, i didnt see the Marquez or Lorenzo fans celebrate Rossi's crash, didnt see anyone on this forum cheer when he went out, but the Rossi fans couldnt wait to flood the internet to discuss the worthiness of Lorenzo's occupation of a factory M1. It doesnt matter to them that he scored more points than Rossi or that he actually leads him in the championship, he didnt meet their standards while scoring six crucial points, but Rossi looked great crashing out. Boppers are so transparent, they obsess over the 3 riders who have kicked Rossi's ..., Stoners a weak minded quitter who didnt like to race, Lorenzo is a weak minded malcontent who stole Rossi's bike and conspired to cheat him out of a title, Marquez, they hate because he stole the spotlight, ripped down the curtain and exposed the great and powerful Oz, shattering just about every myth of how he loves a good scrap and how mentally tough he is. Rossi tried the tortoise and hare approach last year and it almost worked, this year he is trying to outrun faster riders and is making mental mistakes commonly known as choking, and cracking under pressure. Lorenzo and Marquez are clearly in his head.

moto vudu · Jun 28, 2016

JPSLotus said:
I didn't turn it into a Rossi ..... fest, you turned it into a Stoner ..... fest as soon as you felt like your ...... was being stuffed with extra salt. Don't forget, I replied to someone else who is another pro-Rossi troll --that fled this forum in an exodus never seen before-- and you had to jump in to comment about something that wasn't even directed at you. Go back and check my post which was #266 in the topic, and then there you are with post #267 with menstrual blood flowing down your legs doing your best to look like Carrie at the school dance. You weren't trolling, you had the red mist in your eyes and started ranting about Stoner ever since.

You're a terrible troll bro. I say that with the utmost sincerity because you try to play both sides of the coin. When you get called on generally stupid posts, you will play the "I'm trolling" card as a way to weasel out of it.

Don't bring up Jumkie, this whole thing was you being bent out of shape over anyone saying ANYTHING regarding VR that you perceive to be detracting from his supposed "greatness". Instead of taking responsibility for anything --much like VR who you no doubt are influenced by heavily-- you blame everyone else for what you do. It's like the rapist who tells the victim, "Babe, if only you didn't wear those short ... ....... skirts I wouldn't be doing this...what did you expect to happen? I'm only reacting to how you dressed."

Were you not willing to talk some .... when you were replying to someone about Rossi? You only wanted to participate in mature discussions?

mark419ny · Jun 28, 2016

moto vudu said:
Wait, maybe Lorenzo's visor fogged, the lining fell down, or had mosquitoes buzzing around in it? Surely he'll be able to blame helmet this time even though he switched from HJC to Shark.

didnt lorenzo win the championship the year all that happened. didnt he come from behind to capture the 2015 motogp world championship? someone let me know if i am wrong

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