I agree with all of this. You have to finish to win. And stay healthy to win a WC. It's a shame he did get injured though, he would have been fighting for first if he hadn't. In that sense Jorge and Dani are lucky. Not that I really want to open the can of worms that is "lucky".
I agree with all of this. You have to finish to win. And stay healthy to win a WC. It's a shame he did get injured though, he would have been fighting for first if he hadn't. In that sense Jorge and Dani are lucky. Not that I really want to open the can of worms that is "lucky".
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I really couldnt enjoy this race after Nicky flew out over the wall. It looked real bad, and them not showing replay made me think of worse. It wasnt until the medical update that i sort of started to pay attention. But even then, i really didnt care much who won or whatever. Thank God he was ok.
Regarding race, i havent rewatched it, not even sure i care too, but congrats to Pedro. Hes doing what he has to do and Lorenzo is doing same. Its a depleted field.
Ducati GP should be banned from the series on safety grounds. Not having an airfence where Nicky went off is criminal.
Regarding race, i havent rewatched it, not even sure i care too, but congrats to Pedro. Hes doing what he has to do and Lorenzo is doing same. Its a depleted field.
Ducati GP should be banned from the series on safety grounds. Not having an airfence where Nicky went off is criminal.
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Interview with Pedrosa (and a bit of Lorenzo) about Stoner's role in this championship.
Class acts, those 2.
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/184570/1/pedrosa_wont_ask_for_stoner_help.html
Class acts, those 2.
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/184570/1/pedrosa_wont_ask_for_stoner_help.html
Exactly.
I can't see him do it either. Well, maybe if we had perfect weather at every race, in every practice session, if he found the perfect setup in all the races, etc. But reality tends to be a bit different...
The champioship is over. Lorenzo has everything under control. And he is the preferred one with the Gods to win anyway, lately we're having full days of practice time tottaly washed out so he can save his engine. Some are counting/hoping for an engine blow up or a mistake on Joge's part. Get real! that's not going to happen. He's too focused on winning the title. The last guy he wants to lose the title to is Pedrosa. He gets so moved/unconfortable/pissed whenever he gets beaten in a race by him, I've never seen anything like this. It's not the case if it's Stoner who beats him. I also noticed he's much more determined when racing Pedro.
With Casey out, I wanted Dani to win this year but as things are now, I know he has no chance and the higher forces make sure of that.
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So many possibilities, you know HRC will go all out for a title. Will Casey play team orders to secure championship for Pedrosa.
I don't think yamaha will play safe yet, if at all. Lorenzo only needs one more win then podium the remainder. Game Over.
I wonder which race Lorenzo will have to retire from when his next engine pulls a Spies@Indianapolis. I'm thinking it will be Valencia, after Pedrosa wins the next 3 races. For now we will just have to be bored watching a series with 4 bikes capable of winning races, and with 2 of them being wasted. At least Marquez makes Moto2 interesting with his vastly superior Suter bike.
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I am sure jumkie already has the T-shirt and has had it signed by nicky in person. He has a much more interesting piece of apparel concerning dani pedrosa which he has photos of nicky signing. I trust you realise there is some dramatic irony in his avowed nicky hayden fanboyism.
To be serious, I find it difficult to enjoy any bike or car race, or any sport for that matter, while uncertain if a participant has been seriously injured.
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For obvious reasons I hate seeing anyone come off a motorcycle. It took me about 10 minutes to unclench my teeth.
I also agree, Pedro is doing what he has to do and has closed the gap.
I also think that Stoner, who is team loyal will do what he can to get Pedro over the line for the Championship for what its worth. (it might be another thread).
Just for Pete.....................................................................................................................banter.
I,m probably biased as no stoner, but............that was a pretty boring race.
What was Rossi doing? Lucky not to collect Rea.
Haydens accident , ...................pretty sickening. But , did he not think about putting it down well before the fence? Not to excuse lack of protection at fence.
Re Stoner helping Pedrosa.........................I doubt it, moreso because he likes Jorge, rather than being selfish. Its a bit of a dilemma really.
Probably the only solution is to finish the season/ career with as many wins as possible., and just go for it without being troubled by the Pedrosa/ Lorenzo permutations.
I,m probably biased as no stoner, but............that was a pretty boring race.
What was Rossi doing? Lucky not to collect Rea.
Haydens accident , ...................pretty sickening. But , did he not think about putting it down well before the fence? Not to excuse lack of protection at fence.
Re Stoner helping Pedrosa.........................I doubt it, moreso because he likes Jorge, rather than being selfish. Its a bit of a dilemma really.
Probably the only solution is to finish the season/ career with as many wins as possible., and just go for it without being troubled by the Pedrosa/ Lorenzo permutations.
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Interesting on the will Stoner help Pedrosa ........ I think he will. But not if its downright wrong by Lorenzo. I don't see him as taking sides between Lorenzo or Pedrosa though. He will race hard till the end for his own sake but not attempt to effect the points between Pedrosa and Lorenzo, and to do so in the most fair manner would be to win.
In reality Stoner retired last year, and he may have had a stab early on when the wind blew his way ...... but now?
I think Stoner would love to see Pedro get a title after being such a ardent competitor for so long.
Plus it leaves the post Stoner era a tad more interesting with Lorenzo 1 Pedro 1.
In reality Stoner retired last year, and he may have had a stab early on when the wind blew his way ...... but now?
I think Stoner would love to see Pedro get a title after being such a ardent competitor for so long.
Plus it leaves the post Stoner era a tad more interesting with Lorenzo 1 Pedro 1.
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What would you consider downright wrong. The only thing i can think of that would be downright wrong is taking him out. Its a stretch to think Dani and Casey can go 1-2 for the next 4 races, especially with Stoner being less than 100%, but possible. Its going to take some misfortune on Lorenzo's part . But lets say that happens and it comes down to the last race of the season, Dani is down by 6 points and Stoner has been the dominant rider all weekend leading up to the race, with Dani lining up second. Would he put himself between the 2, or say .... it, this is my last race, im going out with a win.
If it comes down to that last race scenario stoner should help pedrosa, he is a contracted honda rider, he can't win the championship himself, and it is the professional thing to do. I have never had a problem with team orders in such a situation.
Organising for pedrosa to be first and stoner second in 4 races is rather difficult as you say particularly with stoner coming back from a significant injury, unless the hrc bike is vastly superior which I guess is vaguely possible on recent form.
I don't see jorge making a mistake, I hope he doesn't suffer from the error of another, but if he needs even 1 extra engine it makes things interesting. I suspect if he starts from the back of the grid a few yamaha riders may be expected to give way, and lorenzo himself indicated early in the season he thought that should be the way of things. I guess the question is also what spies and dovi would do.
I somewhat prefer lorenzo and think he is the better overall rider, but I believe whoever wins will be a deserved champion.
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I do note that Stoner is loyal to his current and former teams. If you want bad Ducati press, listen to VR and JB (the citation for the new power slide audit team is the recently reported war of words between (principally) JB and Prezzio (is that his name - the wheelchair dude?) which VR has stepped into from time to time as well).
Casey appreciates those who have supported him and that includes the start in British and Spanish 125's he got beside Dani in the Puig camp.
I think that supporting this relationship is more important to him than race wins, otherwise he would have been tempted to stay.
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test at motegi, he was also allowed to test the 2013 rc213v already so he must have a pretty good standing at honda.
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You are such a fanboy... you need one of these... you can wear it to bed
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What's even scarier is that he makes Mrs. Jumkie wear it!
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One thing is for sure, Yamaha will not let Spies factor into the final rankings. With the reported bad blood between him and someone at Yamaha, they will not risk him having one of those one off performances where he is actually faster than Lorenzo. His bike will stay detuned to, or below that of the Tech 3 bikes just in case..
I didn't know there was still a test left before the end of the season. Interesting. Is that an official test (or whatever it's called) or a private test as the latest Aragon one?
Spies indicated earlier in the season he would try to help Lorenzo win it since it became clear he was out of the title race. But Dovi? No.
He must be pretty angry with Yamaha after they picked Rossi over him for next year.
But it makes no difference, anyway. If Jorge was to start from the pitlane after needing a new engine (Ha, keep dreaming!), with so little competitive bikes on the grid he would still finnish 2nd or 3rd no problem.
