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mylexicon

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So I have been slagging Nicky off for being a bone head and riding the 2007 spec instead of the 2008 spec.

Then i read this : http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/65626


Apparently Hayden didn't have access to the bike.

So if you have any powers of deduction you can reason that:

1. Honda brought 4 bikes; 2 07s and 2 08s for each rider

2. Pedrosa binned is 08 when he went into the back of Rossi

3. Pedrosa was therefore riding Nicky's 2008

4. If Hayden didn't have access to the bike, it was confiscated from his crew by HRC

He still deserves hell for getting owned by Dovi and beaten by RDP but what in God's name is HRC pulling. How could anyone ride for that team. How can they be so vain as to claim they run a dual #1 rider system
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I can't stand big red or their ticker-tape sponsors.

So now that we've all slagged him off for being unable to ride the bike he developed, lets all eat our words together.
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Yeah right you arrogant pricks won't eat anything.
 
Well Lex, I never commented on any of the stuff said about Nick since the race ended, I honestly felt something was going on when he raced the 07 bike, but didn't see anything in the media until now as to why. Again, we can speculate all we want, but it's hard to look past the favortism being shown to Pedrosa. Can you imagine how Hayden felt racing that bike. I mean everyone can say all they want that is the bike he chose...............it's the only bike he had to choose from. Nicky isn't going to say anything cross in the media because he bleeds HRC red.

My fantasy for next year is that maybe Ducati gets in touch with Honda and asks for a rider swap, Melandri for Hayden.....hey I can dream can't I?
 
It's a shame because I felt something had to be going on too. For some reason I couldn't put it together until after the article.

I should be one of the first people to notice that Pedrosa wrecked his bike then suddenly Hayden couldn't ride his anymore.

Even more aggravating was Honda issuing the bogus press release that the 2008 had edge grip problems and that both riders may be riding the 2007 on race day. They lie because they are too cowardly to deal with the media and the fan fallout from their decisions to support Pedrosa.

How does it keep getting worse? I thought for sure HRC had turned over a new leaf after being embarrassed in 2007.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Mar 11 2008, 11:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So if you have any powers of deduction you can reason that:

1. Honda brought 4 bikes; 2 07s and 2 08s for each rider
A "new" 08 and an older-spec one for each rider, plus the 07s would also fit the story.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Mar 11 2008, 11:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>A "new" 08 and an older-spec one for each rider, plus the 07s would also fit the story.

Yes thank you. 1 07 and 1 08 for each rider.
 
Manufacturers usually have 2 similar bikes for each rider. In case, the rider bins it, they have the second bike waiting to go with the same SETTINGS as the first bike. So, if as the link indictaes, Honda had only two 2008 bikes for the Losail, they would have to assign both of them to the same rider. however, this report indicates that Nicky opted for the 2007 model

http://www.crash.net/motorsport/motogp/new...t_beat_bad.html

If you had two rider one who finshed 2nd and the other who finished 8th in last year's championship, who would you give your better bike too? IMHO, Nicky sealed his fate by finishing 8th last year. Untill he consistenly begins to beat Pedrosa, he will not be considered Honda's primary rider. Whta makes it worse for him right now is that he even got beaten by a Honda satellite rider.

I think there is something wrong with the way the Repsol team is setting up their bikes. Who is Nicky's chew chif BTW? Anyone know?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Mar 11 2008, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes thank you. 1 07 and 1 08 for each rider.
No, I was saying possibly 2 08s per rider, but not all of the newest spec.. Is the 2 bikes/rider custom a regulation or just a realistic number teams have voluntarily standardized on?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Mar 11 2008, 11:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No, I was saying possibly 2 08s per rider, but not all of the newest spec.. Is the 2 bikes/rider custom a regulation or just a realistic number teams have voluntarily standardized on?

Good question.

I'm sure it has something to do with keeping costs down. Plus you can't tote spares for a small fleet of bikes. I'm sure they had very limited resources for the 2008 machine.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crvlvr @ Mar 11 2008, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Manufacturers usually have 2 similar bikes for each rider. In case, the rider bins it, they have the second bike waiting to go with the same SETTINGS as the first bike. So, if as the link indictaes, Honda had only two 2008 bikes for the Losail, they would have to assign both of them to the same rider. however, this report indicates that Nicky opted for the 2007 model

http://www.crash.net/motorsport/motogp/new...t_beat_bad.html

Yeah that's all well and good except you forget Nicky has dual #1 in his contract. So of course they would have split the bikes up. Especially since Nicky was the one who developed the damn thing during the off season. Do you think Repsol would have stood by and watched Nicky get both the 2008s.
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And why in God's name would Honda release a bogus story about switching to the 2007 spec only to have Dani pilot the 2008 onto the rostrum?

Nicky probably gave it up because he wasn't riding well. He probably gave it up b/c he knew Repsol would send him packing if he didn't. When he "gave" it up he got rid of an aero package and a chassis designed to hold the non-pneumatic version of the 2008 lump.

They're covering their ..., povol.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Mar 11 2008, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Good question.

I'm sure it has something to do with keeping costs down. Plus you can't tote spares for a small fleet of bikes. I'm sure they had very limited resources for the 2008 machine.
You can't...for a whole season (more accurately there's little reason/room to). They obviously bring extra bikes for testing new stuff when they're rolling out upgrades etc. though. Extra spares for a 1-off race with several weeks off afterwards isn't insurmountable though.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Mar 11 2008, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You can't...for a whole season (more accurately there's little reason/room to). They obviously bring extra bikes for testing new stuff when they're rolling out upgrades etc. though. Extra spares for a 1-off race with several weeks off afterwards isn't insurmountable though.

No it isn't, and they are testing at Qatar I believe.

I have no idea what possessed them to bring the 07s and the parts unless they didn't have enough 2008s. They probably made a last minute change to a key component and they didn't have time to manufacture enough new pieces in time for the race.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Mar 11 2008, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No it isn't, and they are testing at Qatar I believe.

I have no idea what possessed them to bring the 07s and the parts unless they didn't have enough 2008s. They probably made a last minute change to a key component and they didn't have time to manufacture enough new pieces in time for the race.
That would be a likely reason. Or the entire report could be full of ..... It's not like we have any way of really knowing.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (speedpunk @ Mar 11 2008, 01:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think that autosport article is full of it. Read this MCN article:

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sp...ndainfirstrace/
What's that supposed to mean? That's the official story that everyone (including autosport) was reporting on the 6th. It doesn't really have anything to do with whether the newer article is accurate or not.

The autosport article linked says bringing more than 2 bikes/rider is legal, to address that point.
 
This is evidence that Honda are taking some firm direction, positive steps for HRC
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 11 2008, 01:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is evidence that Honda are taking some firm direction, positive steps for HRC

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Nothing says trailblazing like letting one rider do all the development, then not letting him ride the bike.

Bravo. Reason beyond reproach.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crvlvr @ Mar 12 2008, 04:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think there is something wrong with the way the Repsol team is setting up their bikes. Who is Nicky's chew chif BTW? Anyone know?

I'm pretty sure it is Pete Benson - a Kiwi.
 

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