An interesting thing

AJV80 · Jun 9, 2019

moto vudu said:
Your logic is flawed. Since Rossi started at the back of the grid, his laptimes would've been affected by all the slower riders he was stuck behind and having to safely overtake (Valencia can be difficult for overtaking). By the time he made his way up to 4th position, he would've suffered from tire degradation. His laptimes do not prove that he would not have been faster if he had a decent starting position and was with the front runners.

Tyre degradation plays a part, as it did for all of the riders on the grid. Rossi was hovering behind the front 3 in most of the practice sessions that weekend and qualified in 12th (due to coming off I think)???

I dont see why you think during the race he would have been lapping faster than other others if he had started further up the grid... his lap-times during that weekend dont support your theory that he had better pace than Lornezo and could have won.

I dont know why so many of Rossi's fans feel he was so hard done by, his (very deliberate) altercation that caused Marc to crash at Sepang netted him 3rd along with the 16 points when he should have resulted in a black flagged or at minimum a ride through penalty. He got off lightly.

Marc served a 30 second penalty for colliding with Rossi at Argentina, a racing incident by comparison compared to deliberately forcing someone wide and off the line. If Rossi received the same 30 second penalty at Sepang it would have been championship over???

The only crying i remember from after the Argentina race was from Uccio when Marc tried to apologise for making a mistake.

Mrpurple · Jun 9, 2019

I feel the majority of Rossi fans are only watching MGP for him and when hes gone they will be to.

They have zero interest in the sport.

996bp · Jun 9, 2019

Mrpurple said:
I feel the majority of Rossi fans are only watching MGP for him and when hes gone they will be to.

They have zero interest in the sport.

Funny you should say that cos when I took my family to Laguna Seca all I saw were pissed up fat f'kin yanks shouting there mouths off and not even watching the racing ???

Keshav · Jun 9, 2019

996bp said:
Funny you should say that cos when I took my family to Laguna Seca all I saw were pissed up fat f'kin yanks shouting there mouths off and not even watching the racing ???

Next time try facing the track.

996bp · Jun 9, 2019

Keshav said:
Next time try facing the track.

OOH! Try it when you've got your family in another country surrounded by pissed up gob shites all around dip ....

Theo · Jun 9, 2019

996bp said:
Funny you should say that cos when I took my family to Laguna Seca all I saw were pissed up fat f'kin yanks shouting there mouths off and not even watching the racing ???

Just like the Brits huh, fat and useless, see them at all the race tracks, fat beer guts and the language, Pot, Kettle, Black innit.
.....

996bp · Jun 9, 2019

Theo said:
Just like the Brits huh, fat and useless, see them at all the race tracks, fat beer guts and the language, Pot, Kettle, Black innit.
.....

And what race tracks would that be ???
For a supposed Brit you're highly critical of your Ilk.

What's up ? Do you not like newcomers upsetting your status quo with your peers or dumb ..... that agree with your every word !!!

Keshav · Jun 9, 2019

996bp said:
OOH! Try it when you've got your family in another country surrounded by pissed up gob shites all around dip ....

BTW re: Brits vs Americans: In the modern age of the sport starting 1976 there's been one (great) Brit Championship winner Barry Sheene w two championships.

In the same period: there have been 3 Championships by King Kenny, 2 from Fast Freddie (not inclusive of the same year double 250 championship) 4 championships from Lawson, 4 from Wayne Rainey, 1 from Schwantz, 1 from KR Jr., and one from Nicky Hayden.

If that's how you define fat useless gobshites and losers - I can live with it.

moto vudu · Jun 10, 2019

AJV80 said:
Tyre degradation plays a part, as it did for all of the riders on the grid. Rossi was hovering behind the front 3 in most of the practice sessions that weekend and qualified in 12th (due to coming off I think)???

I dont see why you think during the race he would have been lapping faster than other others if he had started further up the grid... his lap-times during that weekend dont support your theory that he had better pace than Lornezo and could have won.

I dont know why so many of Rossi's fans feel he was so hard done by, his (very deliberate) altercation that caused Marc to crash at Sepang netted him 3rd along with the 16 points when he should have resulted in a black flagged or at minimum a ride through penalty. He got off lightly.

Marc served a 30 second penalty for colliding with Rossi at Argentina, a racing incident by comparison compared to deliberately forcing someone wide and off the line. If Rossi received the same 30 second penalty at Sepang it would have been championship over???

The only crying i remember from after the Argentina race was from Uccio when Marc tried to apologise for making a mistake.

You went off on a tanget, but still are missing the point that comparing his laptimes with riders at the front isn't a fair comparison because the front riders didn't have to deal having to overtake so many riders.

Even in his prime, Rossi would lag behind in practice sessions and or qualifying yet have a much better pace on Sunday.

I'm not saying that I know Rossi would've been fast enough to ride at the front had he not started from the back of the grid, my only point was that you also don't know.

AJV80 · Jun 10, 2019

moto vudu said:
You went off on a tanget, but still are missing the point that comparing his laptimes with riders at the front isn't a fair comparison because the front riders didn't have to deal having to overtake so many riders.

Even in his prime, Rossi would lag behind in practice sessions and or qualifying yet have a much better pace on Sunday.

I'm not saying that I know Rossi would've been fast enough to ride at the front had he not started from the back of the grid, my only point was that you also don't know.

Nobody 'knows' what could of happened including Rossi??? If thats the point you're trying to make.

I dont see why Rossi's tyre degradation would have been so much worse compared to the others (the entire field actually) as you are suggesting based on nothing more than the fact he got stuck behind slower traffic and had to pick them off??? Sure he lost time to the leaders who checked out but why would he sufferer far worse tyre degradation than anybody else by doing slower laptimes???

moto vudu · Jun 10, 2019

AJV80 said:
Nobody 'knows' what could of happened including Rossi??? If thats the point you're trying to make.

I dont see why Rossi's tyre degradation would have been so much worse compared to the others (the entire field actually) as you are suggesting based on nothing more than the fact he got stuck behind slower traffic and had to pick them off??? Sure he lost time to the leaders who checked out but why would he sufferer far worse tyre degradation than anybody else by doing slower laptimes???

Yes, the only point is we don't know what his race pace would've been if he had a better starting positon.

Having to ride in traffic and out-brake multipe riders can lead to quicker tire degredation. Exactly how much it affected Rossi compared the front runners, I don't know. But after having lost so much time to the leaders, he wasn't going to be able to catch them regardless.

michaelm · Jun 10, 2019

moto vudu said:
Yes, the only point is we don't know what his race pace would've been if he had a better starting positon.

Having to ride in traffic and out-brake multipe riders can lead to quicker tire degredation. Exactly how much if affected Rossi compared the front runners, I don't know. But after having lost so much time to the leaders, he wasn't going to be able to catch them regardless.

He never showed any sign of being competitive with the three podium finishers the entire weekend, although admittedly he had shown before and continues to show even this year that he can mostly comfortably out perform his practice pace when that is poor.

I find it hard to believe on his late season 2015 form that Rossi could have gone the near lap record pace Jorge and hence the other podium finishers maintained during that race on a track historically bad for him, and if he had been able to do so it is a notoriously one line track on which it is difficult to pass, the reasons he was desperate to go into the race with a points buffer over Jorge. Sure MM would have made a death or glory pass to win a championship for himself, but he could hardly be expected to do so on Rossi’s behalf, particularly after being admonished for racing title contenders at Sepang.

AJV80 · Jun 10, 2019

moto vudu said:
Yes, the only point is we don't know what his race pace would've been if he had a better starting positon.

Having to ride in traffic and out-brake multipe riders can lead to quicker tire degredation. Exactly how much if affected Rossi compared the front runners, I don't know. But after having lost so much time to the leaders, he wasn't going to be able to catch them regardless.

I find it hard to believe that if Rossi started the race in 12th where he qualified that he would have suffered so much less tyre degredation, that the outcome of the championship would of changed.

He was struggling all weekend. IMHO I stick by my comments, I don’t think his P4 finishing position would have changed without the rear start penalty imposed and him starting from where he qualified.

p4p1 · Jun 10, 2019

AJV80 said:
I find it hard to believe that if Rossi started the race in 12th where he qualified that he would have suffered so much less tyre degredation, that the outcome of the championship would of changed.

He was struggling all weekend. IMHO I stick by my comments, I don’t think his P4 finishing position would have changed without the rear start penalty imposed and him starting from where he qualified.

Rossi had more chance of winning the title by having to start the race last in Valencia than he did if he was (as he should have been) black flagged in Sepang.

Theo · Jun 10, 2019

996bp said:
And what race tracks would that be ???
For a supposed Brit you're highly critical of your Ilk.

What's up ? Do you not like newcomers upsetting your status quo with your peers or dumb ..... that agree with your every word !!!

For starters the minute you turn up you start slagging off you come across as a brit abroad, drunk, surly, a thug, not IMO something to be proud of.
Race tracks well take your pick, Donny, Silverstone, Brands, Cadwell, Croft, Snetterton, Oulton, Mallory, raced at all of them over a 25 year period, then there are the foreign circuits like Spa, Assen, even been to Italy, Imola.

Keshav · Jun 10, 2019

moto vudu said:
Yes, the only point is we don't know what his race pace would've been if he had a better starting positon.

Having to ride in traffic and out-brake multipe riders can lead to quicker tire degredation. Exactly how much it affected Rossi compared the front runners, I don't know. But after having lost so much time to the leaders, he wasn't going to be able to catch them regardless.

If onlys and justs were candies and nuts, then everyday would be Christmas.

AJV80 · Jun 10, 2019

p4p1 said:
Rossi had more chance of winning the title by having to start the race last in Valencia than he did if he was (as he should have been) black flagged in Sepang.

Not wrong, even a 30 second time penalty at Sepang (like the one issued to Marc in Argentina) would have netted Rossi 6 points for the weekend instead of the 16 he received.

996bp · Jun 11, 2019

Theo said:
For starters the minute you turn up you start slagging off you come across as a brit abroad, drunk, surly, a thug, not IMO something to be proud of.
Race tracks well take your pick, Donny, Silverstone, Brands, Cadwell, Croft, Snetterton, Oulton, Mallory, raced at all of them over a 25 year period, then there are the foreign circuits like Spa, Assen, even been to Italy, Imola.

Probably been to 50 tracks or more as a spannerman, Pirelli tyreman, team sponsor and owner across Europe and the US so just wind your bloody neck in or get back under your Troll Bridge...You're the one that comes across as a complete ....... despite your fanbase ....kin swivel you muppet

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