An interesting thing

996bp said:

Not sure you understood my method of understanding here....

If you took every riders start position over every race start for many years back
you would see Rossi has made the best finish of everyone out there...

Marques just goes for pole then just like F1 1st into the 1st corner wins it..
Bloody boring little sxxt

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The thing is that Marquez is a great qualifier and we have seen his ability to overtake. There's no reason to think, as far as I have seen, that if Marquez were to start lower down the grid with the same pace he enjoys from race to race, that he'd likely be like Rossi and have many wins despite the lack of as many poles. Marquez is an absolute alien!

bluegreen said:

The amount of sock puppets on this site is astounding.

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When I found this site and browsed a bit, I realised that most seem to prefer anonymity through the use of pseudonyms. Is it an overreaction or just based on genuine potential threats from a discussion group environment where the integrity of all subscribers at a particular moment can't be trusted. That's a matter of personal POV, I guess. I decided to play it safe and follow the existing norm.

misfit said:

The thing is that Marquez is a great qualifier and we have seen his ability to overtake. There's no reason to think, as far as I have seen, that if Marquez were to start lower down the grid with the same pace he enjoys from race to race, that he'd likely be like Rossi and have many wins despite the lack of as many poles. Marquez is an absolute alien!

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Has started from the back of the grid in moto 2 , and was probably going to win from the back of the field when DQed for tangling with a much slower Rossi attempting to overtake him in the wet last year.

996bp said:

Occurred to me and wonder if anyone else has thought about it....
Consider this, if championships were decided on how a rider progressed from grid position to finishing position I'd say Valentino Rossi would've wiped the floor with Marquez...
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Consider this, if championships were decided on how a rider's character progressed throughout the season, I'd say Marquez would've wiped the floor with Rossi...

Occurred to me and wonder if anyone else has thought about it....
Consider this, if championship points were awarded based on a riders star sign being Aquarius and their best friends surname being Salucci, I'd say Valentino Rossi would've wiped the floor with Marquez...

AJV80 said:

Occurred to me and wonder if anyone else has thought about it....
Consider this, if championship points were awarded based on a riders star sign being Aquarius and their best friends surname being Salucci, I'd say Valentino Rossi would've wiped the floor with Marquez...

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Lolol.

WTF Tomfoolery was this thread about ..... perhaps we need a new thread entitled .... "What is the most obscure way we can pretend rossi is winning?" Lolol

BarryMachine said:

Lolol.

WTF Tomfoolery was this thread about ..... perhaps we need a new thread entitled .... "What is the most obscure way we can pretend rossi is winning?" Lolol

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He wouldn’t even be winning that. I’m pretty confident that Rins would be ahead of Rossi for opponents overtaken.

A blast from the past.

Mundialito anyone ..................

BarryMachine said:

Lolol.

WTF Tomfoolery was this thread about ..... perhaps we need a new thread entitled .... "What is the most obscure way we can pretend rossi is winning?" Lolol

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If someone collected all the sour grapes over Rossi's losses presented on this forum over the years - they could make enough vinegar to float a battleship.

Rossi fans find comfort in Marquez not winning on race weekends these days, never mind that he is second and leading the championship. How things have changed......

996bp said:

'Character' you say ...
YES...The little .... made Rossi and other riders wipe the floor with his dangerous riding style....
Don't say it's aggressive riding, he's downright bloody dangerous but gets away with it every time ffs .

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A hater. Members of these forums love motorsport. We have lots of respect for most riders and maybe less for some, but we do not hate them. Dude, you belong to crash.net.

996bp said:

'Character' you say ...
YES...The little .... made Rossi and other riders wipe the floor with his dangerous riding style....
Don't say it's aggressive riding, he's downright bloody dangerous but gets away with it every time ffs .
On a good note the little .... got beat today...
"TO THE REGIMENT"..."I WISH I WAS THERE" :band1:

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Sure, Rossi may not be able to beat Marc, even if his life depended on it. But instead of focussing on negative things you should try and focus on more positive ones.... at least he sells lots of merchandise to his multitude of fans... thats something. He gets to hang out with Uccio and Max, not everybody can say that can they. When you look at it from that perspective then things aren't really that bad.

So Rossi was up the back in last position or something when he crashed out, so what? Like Bob Ross says "We dont make mistakes, only happy little accidents". Rossi's fans need to smile and relax more instead of hating on Marc and all the other riders who beat him.

996bp said:

In all the years I've followed moto gp in all it's formats for over 40 years I've never ever seen a rider like Marquez punt riders off track whether it be in a practice session or a race...He's a dirty ....... in my eyes (excuse my french)

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Agreed.

996bp said:

In all the years I've followed moto gp in all it's formats for over 40 years I've never ever seen a rider like Marquez punt riders off track whether it be in a practice session or a race...He's a dirty ....... in my eyes (excuse my french)

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Rossi is far worse.



So I guess though ...... you have pointed out the area rossi does surpass Marquez ....

Being a dirty pathologically lying violent sook ........ Yes rossi is number one at all or any of those.

BarryMachine said:

Rossi is far worse.



So I guess though ...... you have pointed out the area rossi does surpass Marquez ....

Being a dirty pathologically lying violent sook ........ Yes rossi is number one at all or any of those.

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Nine times world champion at them. Ten even . . .

Keshav said:

Nine times world champion at them. Ten even . . .

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Truth in comments on both sides of the fence. Both Rossi and Marc have a championship tally that sets aside as the/one of the few all time greatest riders ever (different era's). 2 great riders - 2 similar approaches at times? (I personally think Rossi is more ruthless than Marc in his actions over the years, Marc keeps it on the track at least which is something I respect).

Maybe that ruthless (sometimes shameless by Rossi) approach is required at times to get the outcomes needed to maintain dominance and to be that top of the top dog? I'm not a huge F1 fan but Senna in his day was thought of in the same way for his ruthlessness, even banned for a season or something i think? not a huge F1 fan so not sure...

996bp said:

Complete Bollocks..
Only time Rossi ever did anything out of the ordinary was stopping the little .... after he nearly wiped him out with a swipe across the bows.
It resulted in Rossi losing his 10th championship (in my eye)..

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Really... lol

Here is a little exercise you can do for yourself and it will disprove your theory (I've actually done this and it all checks out).

Go to the MotoGP website, download the 'analysis by lap' race data .pdf for the 2015 Valencia race.

Lorenzo, Marquez and Pedrosa ALL lapped faster than Rossi did on every single lap of the Valencia GP.

Rossi, all credit to him did an admirable job from going from the back fo the field to 4th (whether Petrucci or others let went easy on him and let him through without too much of a fight or not), seriously. Made the hairs on my back stand up, was proper awesome and riding to save his life. Kudos.

But the actual laptime data shows that even if he had started in 4th position.... He still would have finished in 4th based on the laptimes... the only difference would have been how far he finished behind the front 3 leaders.

The only argument is 'did Marc go easy' on Lorenzo to allow him to win??? Its not something you can prove or disprove, nor against the rules. Regardless.... if the rider truly deserves to win the championship its because he is the best and strongest rider and will beat anyone who stands in his way to oppose him.

If Rossi was the fastest and best rider who deserved to win, then he would have been lapping faster than the 3 who finished before him that day. IF that was the case (it wasn't) then you could argue the start at the rear of the pack at Valencia cost him the win but clearly not the case based on laptimes that day.

Now if Marc went easy or not on Lorenzo... well thats just to bad. The strongest rider should decide the championship by winning and being the strongest.
Rossi going all area 51 (playing mind games) and putting Marc on the spot like he did in the PI press conference (and comments he made in the Italian media about Marc lying about putting Rossi posters on his wall as a child...lol) backfired.

When you are the strongest rider... then you make the calls. Either Marc or Lorenzo was stronger that day, either way you look at it Rossi wasn't the strongest and because of that he couldn't claim the title. If he was the strongest he would have wiped the floor with Lorenzo and Marc at PI, Sepang and Valencia...

You cant blame other riders for the fact you cannot beat them.