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I noticed that, too. Very quiet.
Imo, it is very different. What Herrin does is race you tight, sticking a wheel in, etc...to force you to make a mistake, or whatever. Eslick straight up made it a specific mission to pester and take out Herrin. Like I said earlier, he needs to remember that two people have already died this year. Do we really need to add a third person just because he was butthurt over being raced tight? I'm proud that Herrin continued to race him clean all weekend. It just made Eslick look like an even bigger .........
Imo, it is very different. What Herrin does is race you tight, sticking a wheel in, etc...to force you to make a mistake, or whatever. Eslick straight up made it a specific mission to pester and take out Herrin. Like I said earlier, he needs to remember that two people have already died this year. Do we really need to add a third person just because he was butthurt over being raced tight? I'm proud that Herrin continued to race him clean all weekend. It just made Eslick look like an even bigger .........
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Factory, I have trouble understanding your takes, and the ones I do understand, I usually have trouble agreeing with most of it. I'm sure you follow racing, so to bring up the Buell while realizing that Eslick actually lead points for most of this year should give you a clue regarding his talent (like him or hate him). Infact, as you correctly say in your second point, had he been more interested in title rather than settling s vendetta, we might be talking about him backing up a title on a 600. You say he "could not do it" I say he chose not to do it. Had he put the moves on Cardenas he put on Herrin, I'd say he would have won.
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I just finished talking to a couple of buddies who are paddock insiders. Turns out there is a reason why its all quiet on the western front. A few things I found out, make of it what you will:
A) During the proceedings, it was discussed considering a black flag during final laps of race #2...
B) AMA, has not posted official results...perhaps considering a DQ...
C) Behind closed doors, AMA considering what to do about Herrin's camp calling out Eslick during nationally televised interview...
D) Behind closed doors, AMA considering what to do about Eslicks response during a nationally televised interview...
E) Behind closed doors, AMA considering what ramifications such a rivalry would have on ticket sales...
C) Behind closed doors, AMA considering solutions for everybody to save face...
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I just finished talking to a couple of buddies who are paddock insiders. Turns out there is a reason why its all quiet on the western front. A few things I found out, make of it what you will:
A) During the proceedings, it was discussed considering a black flag during final laps of race #2...
AMA, has not posted official results...perhaps considering a DQ...
C) Behind closed doors, AMA considering what to do about Herrin's camp calling out Eslick during nationally televised interview...
D) Behind closed doors, AMA considering what to do about Eslicks response during a nationally televised interview...
E) Behind closed doors, AMA considering what ramifications such a rivalry would have on ticket sales...
C) Behind closed doors, AMA considering solutions for everybody to save face...
Thats the one they will use, it looks good on paper and means nothing except Eslick loses his earnings from the race.
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It happens on occasion, especially when it comes to racing. At least he is a Hayden fan and somewhat cares what happens on the American scene.If he wasnt a Hayden fan, i could find many reasons to kill him
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I personally think he should be suspended for Daytona and put on probation. Herrins dad should be kicked out of the paddock for Daytona and put on probation.
Josh did nothing wrong, nothing at all should happen to him
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DQ = no points, no prize money for Sunday, or the whole weekend? Still doesn't change who's the 2010 Champ.
Someone mentioned earlier a suspension during a two round weekend, but can't see that happening as some form of punishment would have to be issued for the first race of the season.
Should be interesting whatever happens.
Someone mentioned earlier a suspension during a two round weekend, but can't see that happening as some form of punishment would have to be issued for the first race of the season.
Should be interesting whatever happens.
C or F, whatever, this is the one they should choose. I rewatched the race, but it wasn't as bad as I remember. Josh went down the inside, Eslick swung wide so he could execute an outside-inside repass.
If Eslick gets suspended or DQ'ed it will be b/c of his own hot-headed stupidity. Instead of explaining that he was trying to go outside-inside and he didn't expect Josh to tighten his line on a wet track, Danny has taken this "I can ram any ..... I want to ram". That was how Danny and Josh were racing when Danny put Josh in the grass and then Josh ran Danny wide in turn 1, but the knock down was more of a racing incident. If you guys rewatch just the move, without all of the other garbage that was going on before, I think you'll agree that it wasn't that bad.
Both of them and their teams should be put on probation. Danny should offer a public apology for his ..... remarks and for punting Herrin during a championship race. No public apology from Graves b/c no one needs to know that a team publicly called out a rider in a press conference. They can be flogged privately behind closed doors. DMG should explain that it was simply a racing incident that occurred after a lot of dirty moves.
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So your saying that different riders have different rules. Clinton Sellers was suspended for a whole 2 race event because he bonzied turn one at VIR. Eslick tries numerous times, then succeeds in crashing another rider and you think a public apology and probation will be good. What do you think Sellers would have chose if given the option. Miss 2 races, or give an apology. They have got to be equal in their punishment or their headed for another firestorm
I was pointing out that because Eslick could not win the title on a 600 against other 600's....he will have the cloud many have placed over him that he could only win with the 1125cc Buell. I never said he could not ride (he showed he could run up near the front this season) but I do feel that he could not get it done and win the title.
He was ahead going into the last round and for whatever reason he could not keep it together. The last 2 races showed me that Cardenas and Herrin are better riders and much better competitors than Eslick. Cardenas and Herrin had better pace in the wet than Eslick....how many times did Cardenas or Herrin loose a couple places and were able to regroup and come right back?? Eslick had great starts but would drop back kinda quick and he could only gain a place back if someone up front made a mistake. It looked like Eslick accepted defeat (that he could not run as fast in the wet) and then made it a mission to prevent Herrin from having a shot to run with Cardenas. I think that shows he could not do it to win the title this year.
Maybe one day he will when he is not up against a Cardenas and a Herrin. Cardenas and Herrin made more mistakes/had worse race finishes than Eslick had this season.....but they were able to bounce back and stay with or pass Eslick in the points. Eslick was only able to capitalize when other riders made mistakes example...Rapp crashed out at Infineon and Eslick took the win. Eslick was not able to come out every round and collect wins to get a nice points lead.....he stayed on 2 wheels and collected points each round keeping him in the hunt while Herrin and Cardenas lost out on points when they crashed out. Now obivously the most points wins the title, so it makes sense to finish each race to get max points....but I am saying Eslick could not make ground on Herrin and Cardenas unless they made a race mistake. Had Cardenas or Herrin not crashed when they did this season....Eslick would not have been in a position to win a title at the last round.
Pov, there's been raw carnage all over the track in DSB since DMG took over (and before that). Seller hitting Herrin was the first instance of Yamaha on Yamaha violence for front running riders and teams. Seller was suspended. We don't know what Seller said to other people after the race. We have no idea who pushed for his suspension. All we know is that a Project 1 guy hit Grave's championship-contending golden boy, and the Project 1 guy got suspended.
The double standard would only get worse if they suspend Eslick. Ram whoever you want as long as it's not Herrin? That would be the new rule if Eslick is suspended.
Furthermore, if you're going to suspend Eslick, then you've got to put McCormick in the electric chair b/c he nearly killed Eric.
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No you do not. accidents happen, what Eslick was doing to Herrin was no accident.
The double standard would only get worse if they suspend Eslick. Ram whoever you want as long as it's not Herrin?
How you came to that conclusion is beyond me. If your suspended for purposely running another rider of the track, it doesnt matter what his ....... name is. The message is, we are not going to put up with this ..... The next time, it will be a 2 event suspension, or till we get your attention. If that dont do it, go find yourself another series. We have lost a bunch of young riders to accidents lately, we dont need to be losing riders to grudges.
They've been knocking one another off all season. Danny got punted at Mid Ohio by Fong. Fong took out Westby at New Jersey. Danny mugged Westby at Road Atlanta, and I think Westby mugged Herrin the next day. Those are just the instances I can think of off the top of my head.
DMG cannot allow carnage all over the race track and then hand down 2 suspensions to people for hitting Josh Herrin when he's trying to win a title. The only rotten move Danny made was parking Herrin in the grass prior to the red flag. If they are going to suspend him, they should do it for that move.
However, I think it would be dumb to suspend or DQ anyone b/c it's just going to make things worse. If you suspend Danny, JU is going to get bent out of shape and Josh Herrin will be the wussy teacher's pet. If you put everyone on probation and the teams issue apologies and explanations, we can all move on. If Josh and Graves are honest with themselves Josh wasn't going to win the title.
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He had as good a shot as any of them. If Eslick doesnt punt him,Herrin is the leader with a couple laps to go. Eslick still has a chance at the title if he gets back by Herrin and wins. Cardenas is sitting in third, having to get by Eslick to secure the title. In those circumstances, anything can happen. In this scenario, With Herrin winning, Eslick finishing second, and Cardenas 3rd, guess who won the title
Herrin 397
Eslick 397
Cardenas 396
Herrin wins title on wins
Now tell me why Graves and Josh shouldnt have thought they could win the title. You do realize that Herrin was passing for the lead when he got punted , dont you.
here is the post race interview.
Eslick continued being a classless act with his .... eating grin and being disaapointed nobody jumped up at the end to find out more about how Eslick really feels about Herrin. He even acted like a 6th grader when Westby said balls.
He could not stop sucking up to Cardenas though.....Eslick knows Cardenas had him last year and he got him this year.
Westby was very humble and a class act......he should have been the one grinning and not sitting still after riding his balls off, busting up his bike, and staying focused to still get 2nd.
Eslick continued being a classless act with his .... eating grin and being disaapointed nobody jumped up at the end to find out more about how Eslick really feels about Herrin. He even acted like a 6th grader when Westby said balls.
He could not stop sucking up to Cardenas though.....Eslick knows Cardenas had him last year and he got him this year.
Westby was very humble and a class act......he should have been the one grinning and not sitting still after riding his balls off, busting up his bike, and staying focused to still get 2nd.
I guess I didn't have the points table right. I thought Josh needed Cardenas to finish off the podium.
