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povol said:
Just from what ive heard, Herrin is sort of the Prima Donna of the paddock, and Danny is the good ole boy, kind of the the Earnhardt of the paddock.Everyone tries to stay on his good side so they just get bumped out of the way, instead of drop kicked. I have been waiting for Herrin to grow a set for 3 years, it might not be in the cards. He is undoubtedly fast, but appears to be mentally fragile. As far as Eslick, until someone stands up to him, his bull in a china shop style will remain. I doubt Nascar/ DMG will do much to him, they love this ..... Yarborough vs Allison, Earnhardt Vs Waltrip, Earnhardt Vs the world, Spencer Vs Busch, Harvick Vs Lagano, Harvick vs Hamlin, its good for ratings.
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Agree. I just find it strange that so many people complain about Herrin. Danny complaining that Herrin leans on him all the time. Bostrom used to throw fits about Herrin pestering him. It's strange that people in the paddock would prefer the certainty of getting barged (Eslick) to the uncertainty of having someone put a half a wheel in their line from time to time (Herrin). And the other strange thing is that you can't really see it on television. Herrin's riding doesn't look particularly annoying. It makes you wonder if it's in their head, or if Herrin really does need to learn how to make a decisive pass without drawing the ire a half the guys in the paddock.



Also, I hope E Boz is okay. This injury is really putting next season in doubt. He had 3 hours of surgery and 100+ stitches to repair the wound. Speed reported that the gash missed his femoral artery by only 2 cm. I hope he still races next year, but no doubt this has got to be a pretty big warning shot across his bow.
 
mylexicon said:
Also, I hope E Boz is okay. This injury is really putting next season in doubt. He had 3 hours of surgery and 100+ stitches to repair the wound. Speed reported that the gash missed his femoral artery by only 2 cm. I hope he still races next year, but no doubt this has got to be a pretty big warning shot across his bow.
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yeah i was kinda shocked to here about all the stiches!
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must of been a footpeg........ he'll be fine though & back next year.
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mylexicon said:
Agree. I just find it strange that so many people complain about Herrin. Danny complaining that Herrin leans on him all the time. Bostrom used to throw fits about Herrin pestering him. It's strange that people in the paddock would prefer the certainty of getting barged (Eslick) to the uncertainty of having someone put a half a wheel in their line from time to time (Herrin). And the other strange thing is that you can't really see it on television. Herrin's riding doesn't look particularly annoying. It makes you wonder if it's in their head, or if Herrin really does need to learn how to make a decisive pass without drawing the ire a half the guys in the paddock.



Also, I hope E Boz is okay. This injury is really putting next season in doubt. He had 3 hours of surgery and 100+ stitches to repair the wound. Speed reported that the gash missed his femoral artery by only 2 cm. I hope he still races next year, but no doubt this has got to be a pretty big warning shot across his bow.
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I think it just boils down to people not liking Herrin, and they do like Eslick. Herrin kind of appointed himself the next big thing and acts like .... of the walk, but has not done anything in retrospect. He is the Dani Pedrosa of AMA. Still waiting on both of them to live up to the hype, get a personality and quit acting entitled .
 
povol said:
I think it just boils down to people not liking Herrin, and they do like Eslick. Herrin kind of appointed himself the next big thing and acts like .... of the walk, but has not done anything in retrospect. He is the Dani Pedrosa of AMA. Still waiting on both of them to live up to the hype, get a personality and quit acting entitled .
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I don't know if I agree with your assessment of Herrin being the Pedrosa of the AMA. Maybe he is with the riders. But down in the paddock before the races the only guy drawing a bigger line with the fans was Hayes. He seems to be very popular with the fans.



From where I was sitting on the back straight the fans seemed very pissed when Eslick pulled his block and subsequent knock down of Herrin. Lets put it this way, it's a very good thing that Eslick didn't lay it down on that back straight or he just may have encountered a pissed off lynch mob. I don't think he made too many friends yesterday.



Anyone have a clue as to who was Eslick talking to during his interview with White? I got to see that part when I got home, but had no idea it happened at the race.
 
Shocker said:
I don't know if I agree with your assessment of Herrin being the Pedrosa of the AMA. Maybe he is with the riders. But down in the paddock before the races the only guy drawing a bigger line with the fans was Hayes. He seems to be very popular with the fans.



From where I was sitting on the back straight the fans seemed very pissed when Eslick pulled his block and subsequent knock down of Herrin. Lets put it this way, it's a very good thing that Eslick didn't lay it down on that back straight or he just may have encountered a pissed off lynch mob. I don't think he made too many friends yesterday.



Anyone have a clue as to who was Eslick talking to during his interview with White? I got to see that part when I got home, but had no idea it happened at the race.
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Dani has his fan base, its just not as vocal as the Anti Dani crowd. What you saw yesterday was a mugging, and very few bike racing fans, regardless of who they root for, will tolerate that .... because they know how dangerous this sport is. Its not like pushing someone into a wall in Nascar. Danny Eslick lost more fans than he picked up yesterday









People like Herring because he has used the # 46 and rides a Yamaha. Bopperdom has no boundries, not even big bodies of water.
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Herrin's dad was who Eslick screamed "bring it on" What you didnt hear on the delayed telecast was "bring it on ....."
 
povol said:
Dani has his fan base, its just not as vocal as the Anti Dani crowd. What you saw yesterday was a mugging, and very few bike racing fans, regardless of who they root for, will tolerate that .... because they know how dangerous this sport is. Its not like pushing someone into a wall in Nascar









People like Herring because he has the # 46 and rides a Yamaha. Bopperdom has no boundries, not even big bodies of water.
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Herrin's dad
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Lol So it would seem. Can't say I am a fan of either of them personally. To me both have had their riding techniques questioned at one time or another.



Overall some great racing though. The wife finally got to meet Tommy Hayden, she is a big fan of his and likes Roger Lee even more. Seems like a very genuine guy. Very personable. I on the other hand met and chatted to Bostrom, Hayes, and Hopkins. When I asked Ben how he was doing after the injury in NJ his reply was "I am bitchin!" lol Hayes signed my paddock pass and was so relaxed you would have never believed he had the championship on the line. I was the most impressed with Hopper though. He is what everyone that has met him previously has said. Just a VERY nice person. I wish him nothing but the best in his career and he has a couple of new fans.



Overall it was a great day, even with the weather not exactly cooperating for us.
 
I'm still a bit shocked by Eslick's riding in season finale. I don't know what to make of it. I want to think there must be something behind the scenes for him to ride like this. Eslick didn't seem interested in wining the title at all, almost waving Cardenas through while looking to punt Herrin. I gotta do some research, this seemed uncharacteristic of Eslick (at least from my knowledge of him).
 
Shocker said:
Overall some great racing though. The wife finally got to meet Tommy Hayden, she is a big fan of his and likes Roger Lee even more. Seems like a very genuine guy. Very personable. I on the other hand met and chatted to Bostrom, Hayes, and Hopkins. When I asked Ben how he was doing after the injury in NJ his reply was "I am bitchin!" lol Hayes signed my paddock pass and was so relaxed you would have never believed he had the championship on the line. I was the most impressed with Hopper though. He is what everyone that has met him previously has said. Just a VERY nice person. I wish him nothing but the best in his career and he has a couple of new fans.



Overall it was a great day, even with the weather not exactly cooperating for us.
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Sounds like you had a great time. Do you have any pics to post?
 
All i know is DMG suspended Clinton Seller for 1 race event, for ontrack actions and interaction with other riders after said event. This was for bonzai move at turn 1 VIR and heated discussion with riders involved after the race..

A mistake, and an argument



Then you have Eslick, making it perfectly clear to anyone watching that his intention is to take Herrin out, NOT a mistake. If DMG has any balls, he will get at least one event suspension and probation. If they do suspend him for 1 event, it will be Daytona, since they only run 1 race at that event, the 200. Missing the 200 would suck, but nowhere near as bad as missing any other event where they race 2 times.
 
Jumkie said:
I'm still a bit shocked by Eslick's riding in season finale. I don't know what to make of it. I want to think there must be something behind the scenes for him to ride like this. Eslick didn't seem interested in wining the title at all, almost waving Cardenas through while looking to punt Herrin. I gotta do some research, this seemed uncharacteristic of Eslick (at least from my knowledge of him).
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This not the first time Eslick has punted Herrin. I think he got him at Road Atlanta this year, at VIR this year, and obviously this weekend. From what im hearing, some are saying there was an incident in qualifying this weekend that led to Danny going down. Something about Danny thought Herrin balked him on his hot lap. Some are calling ........ on that one, using it as an excuse for what he pulled in the race. Danny didnt have the pace to stay with Herrin or Cardenas, so he pushed Herrin off the track and hoped Cardenas would have one of his famous brain farts. when that didnt work, he just ....... wrecked him
 
Jumkie said:
I'm still a bit shocked by Eslick's riding in season finale. I don't know what to make of it. I want to think there must be something behind the scenes for him to ride like this. Eslick didn't seem interested in wining the title at all, almost waving Cardenas through while looking to punt Herrin. I gotta do some research, this seemed uncharacteristic of Eslick (at least from my knowledge of him).
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I'm ambivalent about the whole thing. Part of me sees what Eslick did as malicious and worthy of heavy penalties, the other part of me is like, was it really that bad compared to Rossi vs. Biaggi/Gibernau or Schwantz vs. Rainey or Mladin vs. Spies or Kocinsky vs. the world? It's a tough situation. You don't want AMA to look bush-league, but compared to other rivalries throughout history (on faster bikes) Eslick's move was just a love tap on a wet track. Furthermore, if Herrin were lap traffic and not Josh Herrin, Eslick's move would have been a completely standard occurrence if not somewhat preferred by the organizers who've always allowed the fast guys to mug the unobservant lap traffic.



Racing is so full of double standards it's hard to know what to make of it. You'd like to think that both of them have more respect than that, but it's not like the move cost either of them a championship. Plus, you can't makes heads or tails of it given just the events of this weekend. McCormick maimed Eric Bostrom, and he's like "I'm really sorry it was my fault" which is nice, but he hasn't finished the last 3 races which means he's been riding like a madman. Compared to McCormick's mugging of E Boz, Eslick was down right polite.



I think I'm most upset b/c it was unnecessary and now b/c of this move battle lines have been drawn. In the twisted world of sports, though, this could be a good thing. Rivalry = sell outs. If Eslick didn't harm a hair on Herrin's head, can you really have a freak out?



As far as Josh's block of Danny, it had to have been real (though not necessarily purposeful). If Danny was close enough to make contact, then Graves definitely released him into Danny's path (again not necessarily purposeful).



I don't know. Maybe just take a wait-and-see approach to the whole mess. Rivalry is what makes guys go epically fast so it would be stupid to kill it, but if they continue playing battering ram and if little-league-daddies
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start yelling stuff at other riders then maybe they should shut it down with dual probation for both guys (won't effect Herrin, will effect Danny).
 
Pov, how do u know it was Herrins dad? If it was, totally understandable. Made for a hilarious interview. Just wondering, does Eslicks comback "Bring it on mothafucker!" warrant a suspension? Afterall, they suspended Hacker for a phantom use of profanity. (And yes, i was ther physically, and Hacker used no such profanity).



As far a the qual incident, yes Eslick crashed. But it actually looked like his own fault, though if in his mind he thought Herrin caused it, then all he prob saw was red during race. Which if thats the case, he snapped.
 
mylexicon said:
I'm ambivalent about the whole thing. Part of me sees what Eslick did as malicious and worthy of heavy penalties, the other part of me is like, was it really that bad compared to Rossi vs. Biaggi/Gibernau or Schwantz vs. Rainey or Mladin vs. Spies or Kocinsky vs. the world? It's a tough situation. You don't want AMA to look bush-league, but compared to other rivalries throughout history (on faster bikes) Eslick's move was just a love tap on a wet track. Furthermore, if Herrin were lap traffic and not Josh Herrin, Eslick's move would have been a completely standard occurrence if not somewhat preferred by the organizers who've always allowed the fast guys to mug the unobservant lap traffic.



Racing is so full of double standards it's hard to know what to make of it. You'd like to think that both of them have more respect than that, but it's not like the move cost either of them a championship. Plus, you can't makes heads or tails of it given just the events of this weekend. McCormick maimed Eric Bostrom, and he's like "I'm really sorry it was my fault" which is nice, but he hasn't finished the last 3 races which means he's been riding like a madman. Compared to McCormick's mugging of E Boz, Eslick was down right polite.



I think I'm most upset b/c it was unnecessary and now b/c of this move battle lines have been drawn. In the twisted world of sports, though, this could be a good thing. Rivalry = sell outs. If Eslick didn't harm a hair on Herrin's head, can you really have a freak out?



As far as Josh's block of Danny, it had to have been real (though not necessarily purposeful). If Danny was close enough to make contact, then Graves definitely released him into Danny's path (again not necessarily purposeful).



I don't know. Maybe just take a wait-and-see approach to the whole mess. Rivalry is what makes guys go epically fast so it would be stupid to kill it, but if they continue playing battering ram and if little-league-daddies
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start yelling stuff at other riders then maybe they should shut it down with dual probation for both guys (won't effect Herrin, will effect Danny).
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The problem is Eslick and Herrin have a history. According to most, this feud has been brewing since last year because Herrin,Hacking and others questioned the legitimacy of his title.



McCormick has had his issues lately, but he has no history with Bostrom, just made a bad decision. Plus he didnt go after the same guy, lap after lap knocking him off track,. till he finally crashed him.



Eslicks shenanigans could very well have cost him the title.He was leading when he took out Herrin for the final time, and Cardenas came thru. Im not sure what happened to Danny's bike or his leathers, but he almost high sided a couple turns later and started looking down on the side of the bike that had contacted Herrin when he punted him.. It did look like maybe his slider had been torn off and a chunk of his leathers were dangling. That could explain the near high side. In rain racing, you use much thicker pucks to let you know you have achieved the max angle for those conditions. If he tore away his puck and didnt know it, he would have had more lean in the bike than what he had all day. As soon as he got on the gas, it came lose and about tossed him. So yes, it could have easily cost him the title
 
Eslick seems to think Herrin leaned on him from the outside, which he describes as being an ...... Certainly if you are on the outside you don't want to lean in as you have the disadvantage. Anyway, he also mentions the qual incident. As I said, the crash looked to be Eslicks fault during qual and he sorta admits it here. I'm not feeling his answer when they ask him if he thought the moves were fair. Just give us your opinion dude, saying nothing basically means, no, its not fair. LINK



Oh, and why is he kissing Cardenas ... so much? I also noticed John Ulrich comes over to shake his hand after podium interview. WTF.
 
Jumkie said:
Eslick seems to think Herrin leaned on him from the outside, which he describes as being an ...... Certainly if you are on the outside you don't want to lean in as you have the disadvantage. Anyway, he also mentions the qual incident. As I said, the crash looked to be Eslicks fault during qual and he sorta admits it here. I'm not feeling his answer when they ask him if he thought the moves were fair. Just give us your opinion dude, saying nothing basically means, no, its not fair. LINK



Oh, and why is he kissing Cardenas ... so much? I also noticed John Ulrich comes over to shake his hand after podium interview. WTF.
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He's in Ulrich's stable now. RMR is the name on Eslick's leathers, but RMR don't have the connections or the mechanics to handle Suzuki work. JU and his people have been tuning Danny's bikes all season. He and Cardenas appear to get on, and if Povol is right about Danny having a chip on his shoulder, then he's going to be loyal to Ulrich who's been talking him up all season.
 
mylexicon said:
I'm ambivalent about the whole thing. Part of me sees what Eslick did as malicious and worthy of heavy penalties, the other part of me is like, was it really that bad compared to Rossi vs. Biaggi/Gibernau or Schwantz vs. Rainey or Mladin vs. Spies or Kocinsky vs. the world? It's a tough situation. You don't want AMA to look bush-league, but compared to other rivalries throughout history (on faster bikes) Eslick's move was just a love tap on a wet track. Furthermore, if Herrin were lap traffic and not Josh Herrin, Eslick's move would have been a completely standard occurrence if not somewhat preferred by the organizers who've always allowed the fast guys to mug the unobservant lap traffic.



Racing is so full of double standards it's hard to know what to make of it. You'd like to think that both of them have more respect than that, but it's not like the move cost either of them a championship. Plus, you can't makes heads or tails of it given just the events of this weekend. McCormick maimed Eric Bostrom, and he's like "I'm really sorry it was my fault" which is nice, but he hasn't finished the last 3 races which means he's been riding like a madman. Compared to McCormick's mugging of E Boz, Eslick was down right polite.



I think I'm most upset b/c it was unnecessary and now b/c of this move battle lines have been drawn. In the twisted world of sports, though, this could be a good thing. Rivalry = sell outs. If Eslick didn't harm a hair on Herrin's head, can you really have a freak out?



As far as Josh's block of Danny, it had to have been real (though not necessarily purposeful). If Danny was close enough to make contact, then Graves definitely released him into Danny's path (again not necessarily purposeful).



I don't know. Maybe just take a wait-and-see approach to the whole mess. Rivalry is what makes guys go epically fast so it would be stupid to kill it, but if they continue playing battering ram and if little-league-daddies
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start yelling stuff at other riders then maybe they should shut it down with dual probation for both guys (won't effect Herrin, will effect Danny).
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I don't think the contact or hard racing is the question since it has happened before and will happen again. I think it is more of the attitude he had about what had happened and how he continued it of the track in an unprofessional manor (surrounded by fans and during an interview).



it is hard to say that Elsick's move on Herrin did not cost Herrin the title. If he had not been pushed out maybe Herrin would been able to continue to run with Cardenas, since Herrin had shown he could move up in the field unlike Eslick. Cardenas may have made a mistake when racing Herrin in the last laps (Sellars and Westby went down same lap on their own) and Eslick continued to drop back in the field.....so Herrin still had a shot.
 
Jumkie said:
Pov, how do u know it was Herrins dad? If it was, totally understandable. Made for a hilarious interview. Just wondering, does Eslicks comback "Bring it on mothafucker!" warrant a suspension? Afterall, they suspended Hacker for a phantom use of profanity. (And yes, i was ther physically, and Hacker used no such profanity).



As far a the qual incident, yes Eslick crashed. But it actually looked like his own fault, though if in his mind he thought Herrin caused it, then all he prob saw was red during race. Which if thats the case, he snapped.
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An understandable response?? I don't think as a professional and current champion, that he should have carried that attitude or response off the track into an interview. It just shows that he is not a good sport and it makes a stronger case that his move on Herrin was not heat of the moment, but more of a "I can't get it done this weekend so I will make sure you can't either." Danny is 25 years old and should not act like a 7th grader...if he wants the accolades of being a "champion" then he needs to feel the sting when he acts like an ....



The qualifying crash did look to be Eslick's fault so him blaming Herrin for that only helps the premeditated theory of taking out Herrin if he had the chance. I hope the DMG has the balls to take action on Eslick since they punished Hacking last year for language. The Eslick out burst during the interview made DSB look more like NASCAR...only think missing was his helmet swinging at someone. I guess Al Ludington was right about the DMG wanting a good show when he torn into JRP last season.



I just wish Cardenas did not bust his hand up last season missing 3 races....he would have IMO won the title and Eslick or the Buell would have been old news not being able to use the 1125cc engine advantage to win a title.
 
Follow me here and this is just me, but please post your view.



If I've got a lot of money and want an up and coming DSB rider for my new Superbike team, Eslick just knocked himself down to the bottom of the list in my eyes. Your trying to win a championship not only for yourself but your team......read that again...yourself and YOUR TEAM! What a bonehead move. Even if the kid is winning, I don't want my team associated with this type of riding. Eslick can ride the hell out of a bike and I think he can win without using his bike as a battering ram, hell you can't ride up front of the DSB series without some talent.



Congrats to Hayes even though I was rooting for the elder Hayden. Props to Hopper for a great showing this weekend.



Anyone know the skinny of who will be in the Superbike series next year, any DSB guys graduating to SBK? Even if there are no DSB grads, SBK is shaping up to be a hell of a season with a healthy Hopper, Bostrom, and Young....bring on 2011!
 
L8Braker said:
Anyone know the skinny of who will be in the Superbike series next year, any DSB guys graduating to SBK? Even if there are no DSB grads, SBK is shaping up to be a hell of a season with a healthy Hopper, Bostrom, and Young....bring on 2011!
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I heard Yamaha is pulling up Eslick to be a hitman...err, i mean ride with Hayes....just incase the Yosh riders and Hopkins are close in the points, they can count on Eslick to remove any threat and beat up any rider's parents post race.
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seriously I have not heard of any moving up to SBK, but I think it would be cool if some did move up to see how they adjust to the big bikes.



Maybe Elana Myers will get Eslick's ride (both under Suzuki, Ulrich, and RMR) and see how she does agaist Melissa Paris and the rest of the pack. I think she got her first AMA win at a younger age than Danny did!!
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Check yeeself before you wreck yeeself Eslick. I learned so much from Scottt Russell this year. Like how to not give an true opinion on on track controversy and Josh Herrin feels racy some days. Have some fun and use it in your everyday vocabulary. Povol feels rednecky today, and some days Lex feels taxy.

Juxtapose these two dissimilar scenarios. Last week Nicky Hayden made a last lap pass on Jorge Lorenzo. By all bystander accounts the pass appeared clean.

After the race Nicky appeared almost apologetic while saying it was a hokey backyard pass you should only use on your brothers.

Saturday Dirty Dan tried to run Herrin off the track twice. Sunday it was clear after 3 attempts to knock him off the track that inevitably he would.

So when he did it was no surprise. Afterwords he stood there like the neanderthal he is, practically beating his chest and saying F U to all.

It was perfectly clear at that moment that Eslick showed the world (or all 10 AMA fans) that he is and probabaly never will be the type of person who could represent a team at any world championship level.

Herrin was a class act never trying to retaliate. I expected him to try to return the favor but it seemed that he was more focused on trying to win a championship.

The AMA saw AssLicks behavior on Saturday and should have pulled him aside. After the red flag they could have pulled him aside as well. I've seen the same drama in motorcross and the AMA nipped it in the bud before a scenario like this happened. I don't understand why they seemed to turn a blind eye to what was clearly unfolding.



Shocker. Way to mix in the word "lynch" in your post. As a guy from Alabama you're sure not reinforcing any stereotypes
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