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Simply, they are too proud to lose face after being a major force in racing for so many years. I don't doubt, they will, eventually, make a come-back. It's only been a handful of seasons. Look how many years Ducati stuck around before they achieved real parity. Honda knows, as well as everybody else has known for years, that the win on Sunday, sell on Monday paradigm, is dead. It's not about practical stuff like money. It's national pride. Unless the Japanese economy takes a cavernous dive, I think Honda will keep at it.Completely different principles making things go up instead of down but I get your point.
If Honda feel that MotoGP has no relevance to their road bikes then why don't they just quit? It seems silly that they would waste millions of dollars a year on something they don't get any value from.
My dad owns a 2015 Golf station wagon and it's already got rust on the doors.I wouldn't own a VW either though. Don't strike me as too reliable.
Afriend of ours had a golf and repetitive motor problems, including a failed cylinder head. Got rid of the pos before it sent her broke.My dad owns a 2015 Golf station wagon and it's already got rust on the doors.
Also, that tiny 110 hp engine sucks.
I agree. And this is what I point out to people saying that Marquez should have stuck with Honda. It took Ducati 6 years to get back to winning after Stoner left and it involved a complete rework of the race team and a new technical chief. Honda have so far shown no inclination of that massive overhaul apart from a brief 'hey wanna come work here?' to Gigi.Simply, they are too proud to lose face after being a major force in racing for so many years. I don't doubt, they will, eventually, make a come-back. It's only been a handful of seasons. Look how many years Ducati stuck around before they achieved real parity. Honda knows, as well as everybody else has known for years, that the win on Sunday, sell on Monday paradigm, is dead. It's not about practical stuff like money. It's national pride. Unless the Japanese economy takes a cavernous dive, I think Honda will keep at it.
But birdbird says the honda is a great bike.I'm still thinking that Honda needs a complete reorganisation similar to Ducati. Yamaha I don' know enough to have an opinion
birdbird is clutching onto history. Honda's strategy worked well in the past but things have changed and its clear that currently Ducati's strategy is working the best. Perhaps in the future we will see Ducati's strategy no longer working as someone has worked out a better way to do things.But birdbird says the honda is a great bike.
It's like what Honda did in the '80s. They were trying to be competitive in flat-track when riders like Roberts, Spencer, Shobert and Lawson were all coming out of the flat-track scene. They were getting nowhere, until they took apart a Harley and figured out that the firing sequence was what made the Harley's so tractable. Once they used that info, they were quickly able to beat Harley Davidson at their own game.We have seen some changes with Honda, there was a time they didn't want to reverse the crank when clearly it was working for the other manufacturers and recently Honda was quick to adopt the tail section wings after they appeared on a competitor, I get the impression that they are going away from the "Honda must do things differently" attitude of the past
Are Ducati and Aprilia really any different as far as nationalistic pride is concerned?Yamaha are the same...nationalistic pride is well put.
Gigi's employment of the rule book anyway. It is my opinion that so called equalisation rules have a tendency to entrench advantages once they are gained, which has happened in F1 as well.Didn't it tale a long time for Ducati to come off their original frame too?
That's pride ...the Duke is on top now solely because of the rulebook imo...
According to this video Zarco declined joining Repsol preferring to ride for LCR
bUt RiNs WoN oN iT aT cOtA!!!But birdbird says the honda is a great bike.
Having good staff who happen to be of the same citizenship is not the same as outright refusing to hire outside staff, OR adopt foreign business concepts imo.Are Ducati and Aprilia really any different as far as nationalistic pride is concerned?
Can't think of anyone at Ducati Corse who doesn't have Italian citizenship.
According to this video Zarco declined joining Repsol preferring to ride for LCR
I am a much bigger fanboy of Stoner than I am of MM but he was an old fogey when he was under 30 and still racing.Yeah, without sounding like I'm just blindly defending Marc (which I'm not), Stoner doesn't have the full facts (only Marc and his team do).
Also, he left Ducati for very similar reasons that Marc is leaving Honda. So pot, kettle and black come to mind.