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Bombshell report “Marc Marquez decided on Gresini - only one step is missing…”
Nothing more than we already know, but I wonder if the Japanese round will be the crunch round where Marc can directly chat with the HRC top brass. If nothing compelling comes from that I would suspect the monday after the race an announcement if he is leaving.
Nothing more than we already know, but I wonder if the Japanese round will be the crunch round where Marc can directly chat with the HRC top brass. If nothing compelling comes from that I would suspect the monday after the race an announcement if he is leaving.
“Of course, we are a team and when you are a team you are not alone. And you need to think not only about you. You need to think about everybody, about Honda, about what we did, where we are, where we are going to arrive. It’s inside my head what I’m thinking, but this big important decision, you cannot make it from one day to the other. It’s a process.”
I think he may be waiting for some sort of "confirmation" of tangible improvements or movements from Honda. As the latest test apparently did not bring anything in terms of the bike itself, it may have to do with hiring certain people now. But, even if they hire those key people, the results will not come quick enough IMO. Maybe he's brokering other moves so that Honda are left with a good replacement...
I think he may be waiting for some sort of "confirmation" of tangible improvements or movements from Honda. As the latest test apparently did not bring anything in terms of the bike itself, it may have to do with hiring certain people now. But, even if they hire those key people, the results will not come quick enough IMO. Maybe he's brokering other moves so that Honda are left with a good replacement...
Matt Birt made a good observation saying that even though Puig stated Honda do not want to keep Marc if he's unhappy, behind the scenes there will be much wrangling to get him out of his contract. Not as simple as it may seem.
Absolutely correct.
When it comes to a breach of contract here in Canada for example, with the exception of certain types of equitable remedies (such as specific performance, injunctions or an accounting for profits), the most common and usual remedy for breach of contract will be an award of damages.
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It was easy for Mavrick.
Lets do a hypothetical:
Lets say I am paying a key individual tens of millions of dollars per year, who is the key figure in a program that is costing me hundreds of millions of dollars over time, who would be difficult if not impossible to replace during the contract period unexpectedly on short notice (we can debate what short notice might be), should I wish him well when he says goodbye during the contract or seek damages to make me whole again (if that is even possible, we could debate this too) ?
I might add also that in my eyes Honda and it's MotoGP related employee(s) have been very patient and professional when it comes to the matter, I am impressed.
We shall see.
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I think he mistakenly delivered the decision to go to Gresini is already made.
"It’s inside my head what I’m thinking, but this big important decision, you cannot make it from one day to the other. It’s a process."
So, how big is a decision to fulfill your contract? I think a much, MUUUUUUUUCH bigger "decision that cannot be made from one day to the other" is a 30yo, 6 time WC to go to a satellite team with a year old bike.
I hope he is getting good legal advice while he ponders his future.
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Would love more than anything, to see MM hold HRC to the statement that they wouldn't retain a rider against their will. It would be very Japanese of them to honor that statement. I could see it happening if lawyers for both parties hammered out an announcement worded sufficiently in HRC's favor. The Japanese are very big on the whole "grand gesture" thing. Let's face it, having a previously near-invincible, force of nature rider, season after season, schlepping around in 14th place ain't doing .... for their prestige or their bottom line.
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While we don't know what is written in the contract I suspect that MM will only be out of it by mutual agreement with HRC. This business about leaving is probably more about putting pressure on HRC to pull finger and the talk is that they are hiring European engineers. Probably that long before we know how right or wrong our speculation is
True but Marc is not Maverick. Marc has cemented his legacy as one of the very best ever. Plus Marc does not try to destroy engines and so far as I know, he does not throw hissy-fits that would make any 13 year old girl envious of their over-the-top dramatic effect.
He was World Champion when Honda signed him long term, they probably gave him whatever he wanted in a contract, like suppling him with a competitive championship caliber bike every year, so they've probably already broken their side. He not going anywhere anyway, probably sign with Honda for another two years next week in Japan.
However this plays out, I hope it is not a long, drawn-out and acrimonious divorce. If he wants to go I hope they let him. Sure it will sting when he kicks their arse on a Ducati but I'm sure 5 or 6 other Ducatis currently kicking their arse stings as well.
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Regardless of his lack of Maverick-ness, regardless of past history, Marc has (most would agree) a whole lot more to lose, and as such, being a fierce competitor, one expects at this very late stage in the game, he would make even greater efforts towards doing the necessary to ensure his exit from MotoGp won't be the typical sad, slow decline we've seen with other riders, like Rossi, Dovi etc. That Marquez is not a whiny little ..... about everything, should not preclude him from taking practical measures that can lead to a few more championships. There seems to be this idea with some folks, that being too macho and manly to walk away from a bad relationship is somehow an admirable trait. .... that. He needs to get his ... on a bike that he can win on. His skill as a competitor is seeing how many other riders he can beat, not how many years he can suck it up like a "company-man", or how many years of ignominy he can quietly withstand at the hands of incompetent engineers at HRC.
The company-man stays at his desk for 30 years and gets a gold watch. Marquez already owns enough watches.
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Oh I agree with you. I was just trying to make the point that Yamaha did not put up any resistance to Mav wanting to get out of his contract because...well...he's Mav (would be engine destroyer, diva, etc). Because Marc IS a fierce competitor and always gives his best may push Honda to try and hold on to him despite what Puig said. I'd love to see Marc on a Ducati, even if it is a year old. I have to believe if Bez can win on it, so can Marc. Enea had some wins on a year-old machine as well.
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I agree. In this game, there is no nobility in loyalty. Rossi left Honda because they didn't give him what he wants, even though the bike was the best on the grid.
It's a 2 way street. Every team ditches riders who don't perform and Marc is currently outperforming a crap bike, just like Fabio is with the Yamaha. This bike was a new concept in 2022 and if anything, has gotten worse.
Honda aren;t even going to be race winners lext year, let alone fight for the title. Marc has a better chance of that (and avoiding injury) on a yr old Gresini imo. AND, if he is back at the front, it won;t be as easy to dismiss him for a factory ride in 25.
It's sounding like MM93 on the Gresini Ducati is a done deal. To be announced in the next few days. We will see.
BTW, when Ducati brought Alex Marquez, we know the true intention behind it. He was the gateway for a smooth transition, you know, having the father of both on the garage, having the brother telling him how the bike performs, etc.
I think this will be very good for Honda. They will finally get themselves free from the obligation of building a bike for MM and can concentrate on building a bike that any average rider can ride. It will take time but Honda is Honda. In 3 years at most they will be fighting for wins all over again.
BTW, when Ducati brought Alex Marquez, we know the true intention behind it. He was the gateway for a smooth transition, you know, having the father of both on the garage, having the brother telling him how the bike performs, etc.
I think this will be very good for Honda. They will finally get themselves free from the obligation of building a bike for MM and can concentrate on building a bike that any average rider can ride. It will take time but Honda is Honda. In 3 years at most they will be fighting for wins all over again.
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