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Maybe so?
New-tyre time attacks in the closing minutessaw the timesheet shuffled, Oliveira ultimately rising back to the top from title leader Quartararo, while Marquez bucked the trend by electingto remain on used tyres and dropped outside the top ten
https://www.crash.net/motogp/results/980783/1/german-motogp-sachsenring-free-practice-2-results

We will see how his body and the bike manage over race distance.

Then again?
"I’m not the favourite at the moment. I’m coming back from a deep [tough] situation. In the end I didn’t put a new tyre because I didn't feel enough power and energy to use," Marquez said.

"It was in the plan to put a new tyre but I did two small long runs to understand the rear tyre. Then I said to the team, I don’t feel ready to put a new tyre. I don’t feel enough energy, so let’s wait until tomorrow.
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/980839/1/marc-marquez-back-fight-not-favourite-moment

Fiik :?
We will see.
 
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Mm will qualify well and in race either fall due to the red mist or slow and fade due to being tired after 15 to 20 laps...

It's the right hand waterfall that worries me in the long run...
 
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No pole position.
Not expecting a win either but interested to see how the race evolves.
 
Fabio again showing poise and increased maturity. Maybe they missed the setup but he hung in for a good finish.

Oliviera consistent and KTM making steps forward, looks like they are leaving Suzuki behind.

Mav has problems. His teammate’s performance shows that it’s not the bike.

Not a fan but congrats to Marquez for making the most of that race.

The season continues to be interesting!
 
PigsAngel said:
One lap in FP1 doesn't win a race...and if you see the times of MM all go slower as the session progressed while others got faster...
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PigsAngel said:
Mm will qualify well and in race either fall due to the red mist or slow and fade due to being tired after 15 to 20 laps...

It's the right hand waterfall that worries me in the long run...
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Oh yeah. Explain today?
Anything on vr46 holding up better riders from getting a GP seat in 2021?
 
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MigsAngel said:
Mm will qualify well and in race either fall due to the red mist or slow and fade due to being tired after 15 to 20 laps...

It's the right hand waterfall that worries me in the long run...
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At times it's best to let the riding on track do the talking.

A great win there by MM. Hats not only off but also clutched to the chest with both hands. :p

Miguel - great showing and making himself out to be a serious contender for the championship.
FQ did some great damage limitation. It was clear Yamaha was in trouble this weekend.
 
Yowsuh! Great race. When Marquez got off the bike surrounded by marshals his excitement was so palpable I think I might have squirted out a few.

Fabio showing he’s a tactician and definitely not a “dumb kid”

Olivera really coming into his own.

Rumors continue to circulate that Miller’s leathers will no long say ......., and instead “Mr. #6”.

Lost count but it’s been how many races since commentators referred to 46 as Nine Times World Champion. Also… notice they never mention his age anymore.

Looking forward to Assen where the Yamahas work well, in hopes of some Fabio/Marquez paint-trades.
 
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I noticed in the BBC pre-show that they were falling over themselves to get to his .... first...with Suzi finally declaring him a god on earth,telling the other commentators they had no idea what a good rider is like.

They cheer in this order, VR is first, then any English rider, then Australian riders.
 
It was good to see Marc back on the top step. I saw someone point out that it 'only' took 6 races. That's a bit surprising, though he probably should have won in France. I'm not convinced that this will be a total turn around in his fortunes but the confidence he will take from the win will be great for him going forward. The bike still has the same shortcomings and he is still not back to 100% IMO.

Since his moto3 days I have thought Oliveira has had the goods. I don't think he can be counted out yet.

Fabio rode an excellent race especially when compared to the other Yamaha's. Yamaha has a decent record at the track so it was odd outside of Fabio they were so far away.
 
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p4p1 said:
It was good to see Marc back on the top step. I saw someone point out that it 'only' took 6 races. That's a bit surprising, though he probably should have won in France.

Since his moto3 days I have thought Oliveira has had the goods. I don't think he can be counted out yet.

Fabio rode an excellent race especially when compared to the other Yamaha's. Yamaha has a decent record at the track so it was odd outside of Fabio they were so far away.
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I hadn't seen alot of him prior to motoGP.
He had the goods here. Marquez had to work very hard to stay away from him but had cleared out on the rest of the field.
Oliveira's consistent speed made it a riveting race before he rolled off a bit at the end. Impressive.
 
Got to be killing Honda that a rider with god-like powers was pushed to the limit to finish ahead of a KTM.
 
Keshav said:
Got to be killing Honda that a rider with god-like powers was pushed to the limit to finish ahead of a KTM.
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They looked remarkably happy in the pits from what I observed, perhaps seeing the win as a fairly good sign that their rider with god-like powers might actually retain and/or fully regain such powers. The really positive thing about MM for me was that he didn't look exhausted or in pain post race as he has after earlier outings this year. He also stayed on the bike under extreme pressure from a good rider who is developing to be a strong contender for the title this year, hence possibly exhibiting some caution in a race against a non-contender sure, who was on a good bike as well.

Given the record of both KTM and Red Bull in motorsport I don't find it surprising that they didn't stay in the also ran category for very long, and that rider on the KTM bike which MM beat on a Honda also beat every Yamaha, Ducati, Suzuki and Aprilia rider in the field, with the second factory KTM rider also beating all of those bikes and riders except FQ on a Yamaha which may well have been a similar case of the rider making a strong contribution to the podium finish. And no doubt the current Honda is difficult and could be better particularly for riders without god-like powers, but the 3 other Honda riders are also imo further away from having god-like powers than many other riders in the field.
 
michaelm said:
They looked remarkably happy in the pits from what I observed, perhaps seeing the win as a fairly good sign that their rider with god-like powers might actually retain and/or fully regain such powers. The really positive thing about MM for me was that he didn't look exhausted or in pain post race as he has after earlier outings this year. He also stayed on the bike under extreme pressure from a good rider who is developing to be a strong contender for the title this year, hence possibly exhibiting some caution in a race against a non-contender sure, who was on a good bike as well.

Given the record of both KTM and Red Bull in motorsport I don't find it surprising that they didn't stay in the also ran category for very long, and that rider on the KTM bike which MM beat on a Honda also beat every Yamaha, Ducati, Suzuki and Aprilia rider in the field, with the second factory KTM rider also beating all of those bikes and riders except FQ on a Yamaha which may well have been a similar case of the rider making a strong contribution to the podium finish. And no doubt the current Honda is difficult and could be better particularly for riders without god-like powers, but the 3 other Honda riders are also imo further away from having god-like powers than many other riders in the field.
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Maybe we tend to see what we want to see. What I see is that KTM has in a relatively short time, built a bike with power comparable to that of Honda with much more tractable handling.

Apparently, the folks at Gresini, a long time Honda stronghold, share that view and have said, .... this, we're tired of spending millions on ill handling bikes, and have announced they're going with Ducati next year.
 
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I hadn't seen alot of him prior to motoGP.
He had the goods here. Marquez had to work very hard to stay away from him but had cleared out on the rest of the field.
Oliveira's consistent speed made it a riveting race before he rolled off a bit at the end. Impressive.
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I just remember in moto3 his chase down but eventual loss to Danny Kent was pretty epic. He was probably the best rider that year but IIRC Kent’s team was able to get a jump on everyone setup wise and build a big lead at the start of the season. Certainly would rate him above Rins and Pol to name a couple.
 
Keshav said:
Maybe we tend to see what we want to see. What I see is that KTM has in a relatively short time, built a bike with power comparable to that of Honda with much more tractable handling.

Apparently, the folks at Gresini, a long time Honda stronghold, share that view and have said, .... this, we're tired of spending millions on ill handling bikes, and have announced they're going with Ducati next year.
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And great credit to KTM for doing so, but hardly surprising as I said with the record they have in various forms of bike racing and initial concessions designed to help them become competitive, as well as plentiful funding from Red Bull who have succeeded against the likes of Mercedes in F1, and also seem to have the best talent identification/talent development program going in gp bike racing given the identity of the leading 2 riders in moto 2 and the leading rider in moto 3, not that I have much time for their product.

I have no particular attachment to Honda other than being grateful to them for providing equipment on which Australian riders I followed won 7 world titles, but in this instance prefer to give credit to KTM and their riders. Gresini are switching from Aprilia not Honda to Ducati btw, who were also flogged by KTM in this race, but sure the quality of the Honda product was very likely involved in their defection some time back indicating the problems with the Honda bike are of some standing. The possibility exists that their threat to with draw when the control ECU came in was genuine, and I guess we shall see how committed they are to gp bike racing when they finish with F1 after this season. Some schadenfreude with their results sans MM is understandable, but I would still prefer to see them continue in the sport.
 
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And great credit to KTM for doing so, but hardly surprising as I said with the record they have in various forms of bike racing and initial concessions designed to help them become competitive, as well as plentiful funding from Red Bull who have succeeded against the likes of Mercedes in F1, and also seem to have the best talent identification/talent development program going in gp bike racing given the identity of the leading 2 riders in moto 2 and the leading rider in moto 3, not that I have much time for their product.

I have no particular attachment to Honda other than being grateful to them for providing equipment on which Australian riders I followed won 7 world titles, but in this instance prefer to give credit to KTM and their riders. Gresini are switching from Aprilia not Honda to Ducati btw, who were also flogged by KTM in this race, but sure the quality of the Honda product was very likely involved in their defection some time back indicating the problems with the Honda bike are of some standing. The possibility exists that their threat to with draw when the control ECU came in was genuine, and I guess we shall see how committed they are to gp bike racing when they finish with F1 after this season. Some schadenfreude with their results sans MM is understandable, but I would still prefer to see them continue in the sport.
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I think KTM have somewhat changed the game with their approach to racing in all the different classes etc. They're able to get their hands on the best prospects due to the KTM rookies and then have a clear path from moto3 to motoGP. The other factories IMO need to do something similar unless they want to just have KTMs cast offs going forward and count on a stroke of luck similar to the one Yamaha got with Quartararo.
 
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I think KTM have somewhat changed the game with their approach to racing in all the different classes etc. They're able to get their hands on the best prospects due to the KTM rookies and then have a clear path from moto3 to motoGP. The other factories IMO need to do something similar unless they want to just have KTMs cast offs going forward and count on a stroke of luck similar to the one Yamaha got with Quartararo.
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I meant the Red Bull product, not the KTM product. Love their off road bikes.
 

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