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Sachsenring has been a Honda track for 8 years in a row. Not this year methinks.
 
I think marquez could be back on the Podium if He doesnt crash

Other podium contenders: Fabio, Morbidelli, mir, rins (also if He see the chequered flag... He crashed out right in Front of my eyes last time at Sachsenring)
 
Sachsenring has been a Honda track for 8 years in a row. Not this year methinks.

All left handers could be a huge help for him. Not sure if or how the most recent test helped either. I don't think he is the favourite but I would be surprised if we don't see his best result of the year this weekend.
 
I hope he stays on the bloody thing for a start.
Happier to see him maybe knock it back a touch and get more laps under his belt as he builds strength.
 
I don't see MM winning here this year. If I'm proven wrong, so be it. I think the RC213V is simply not good enough anymore when compared to the rest of the factory bikes. Yamaha should be strong here.
 
I am predicting another KTM victory...

1) Binder
2) Olivera
3) Fabio

MM wont win...the track may be his best and it largely goes left...but the waterfall is a severe fast right hander that will takes its toll on his shoulder during race...
 
I don't see MM winning here this year. If I'm proven wrong, so be it. I think the RC213V is simply not good enough anymore when compared to the rest of the factory bikes. Yamaha should be strong here.

MM was unstoppable at this track as Stoner was at Phillip Island. I wouldn't be surprised if he had impressive pace on that Honda and even achieve the unexpected.

MM does favour anti-clockwise circuits, but did he say that his current recovery limitations are aggravated by right handed corners as opposed to left?
 
I am predicting another KTM victory...

1) Binder
2) Olivera
3) Fabio

MM wont win...the track may be his best and it largely goes left...but the waterfall is a severe fast right hander that will takes its toll on his shoulder during race...


Interesting prediction. I wonder what the odds are on Binder winning. Not saying that he can't but I don't see him as a betting line favorite. Hopefully he can qualify on the top two rows. Fabio has said this is not a good track for him but I think a podium is quite possible. And you never quite know what to expect from Suzuki.
 
Definitely at some point I expect him to be fully back. What he says in the above mentioned article and his on track behavior shows no change in his basic attitude to racing.
 
Can’t help but wonder if Marquez’s statement, was just him trying to talk himself into a more confident mindset, like he’s made a statement that he now needs to live up to. I’m thinking maybe he’ll be on the podium at best. Fabio is at the top of his game and the KTMs will be very capable at this track. And Marquez’s pronouncement of his confidence in himself, was not manifest in his riding at the last race.

It’s a shame to see such a great rider laid low like this, but the upside, perhaps, is that HRC may be forced to re-think the bike. They should be kicking themselves in the ... for letting Pedrosa go.
 
Can’t help but wonder if Marquez’s statement, was just him trying to talk himself into a more confident mindset, like he’s made a statement that he now needs to live up to. I’m thinking maybe he’ll be on the podium at best. Fabio is at the top of his game and the KTMs will be very capable at this track. And Marquez’s pronouncement of his confidence in himself, was not manifest in his riding at the last race.

It’s a shame to see such a great rider laid low like this, but the upside, perhaps, is that HRC may be forced to re-think the bike. They should be kicking themselves in the ... for letting Pedrosa go.

Particularly since it was probably Puig being vengeful for Pedrosa eventually sacking him as his manager.
 
In my not so humble opinion it would be a travesty if Honda were to get concessions. Not out of any Calvinist need to see them repent for their hubris, nor to shame them (they're incapable of shame) but for the possibility of taking a long enough bath in their failed strategy of depending on superman riders to ride around their engineering folly that they might make a really rideable chassis for the first time in years.
 
In my not so humble opinion it would be a travesty if Honda were to get concessions. Not out of any Calvinist need to see them repent for their hubris, nor to shame them (they're incapable of shame) but for the possibility of taking a long enough bath in their failed strategy of depending on superman riders to ride around their engineering folly that they might make a really rideable chassis for the first time in years.

Hard to disagree with any of this. The season still has a long way to go as well. IMO Honda have never really recovered from 2015, where once again both guys asked for an easier bike to ride but didn't get it. They relied on nonpareil talent to take titles since then while the results for other riders have consistently gotten worse. It has been reported many times that all the riders on the bike were more or less giving the same feedback, including Lorenzo, Pedrosa, Crutchlow and Marquez but Honda's attitude was that as long as someone could ride around it then it wasn't the bike.
 
Hard to disagree with any of this. The season still has a long way to go as well. IMO Honda have never really recovered from 2015, where once again both guys asked for an easier bike to ride but didn't get it. They relied on nonpareil talent to take titles since then while the results for other riders have consistently gotten worse. It has been reported many times that all the riders on the bike were more or less giving the same feedback, including Lorenzo, Pedrosa, Crutchlow and Marquez but Honda's attitude was that as long as someone could ride around it then it wasn't the bike.


Its literally |Ducati 2007-2008-2009-2010 situation all over again but in orange color.

Everyone including Ducati and the masses thought the Duc was a bullet of a bike, completely ignored what the rest of the field did on it and only pinned the wins to the bike and not the rider. They were wrong.
 
I don't reckon too many have pinned Hondas last few championships to the bike.
Not anyone who has watched MM screw that Honda into a corner holding the front up as it runs away. ;)
 
MM topped the time sheets in FP1. The other Hondas aren't too far behind too. Well, well...
 
One lap in FP1 doesn't win a race...and if you see the times of MM all go slower as the session progressed while others got faster...



Just to play the same game as you, that could mean Marc only needed 1 lap to top the sheets and then concentrated on Race pace while the others played catch up. :spin:
 

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