couldn't cut it? as far as the first three you mention i agree, and chuckit....well, but biaggi... really. if you remove doohan first but mostly rossi, things would have turned out alot different for old max. i know its all just if if if but seriously biaggi was better than the rest for the most part and would have been champ on a couple of occasions..... and i'm no biaggi fan.
couldn't cut it? as far as the first three you mention i agree, and chuckit....well, but biaggi... really. if you remove doohan first but mostly rossi, things would have turned out alot different for old max. i know its all just if if if but seriously biaggi was better than the rest for the most part and would have been champ on a couple of occasions..... and i'm no biaggi fan.
yeah i was thinkin of sete too.... both of em came in the wrong time...
You could always argue Capi's case aswell
You could always argue Capi's case aswell
yes is true.... alot of careers would have changed dramatically.
Remove Rossi and Pedrosa would have a title. Remove Stoner and Rossi would have another title. Remove Stoner and Lorenzo would have two titles...
The list of people that Biaggi lost to includes Doohan, Criville, KR JR and Rossi. Biaggi was a fantastic 250 rider, but he couldn't cut it at the highest level.
thats my point.... all i'm saying is your being unfair to said rider... just because he did not become champ, dosen't mean he couldn't cut it.
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I dont see that as troubling. Its the way it should be. You work your way up through the various ranks, if your exceptional, you get a shot at GP. Some make it, most dont. Thats why im against dumbing down GP, it needs the aura of being elite.
I was never a Biaggi fan, but saying he didnt cut at the Grand Prix level is quite the stretch. Top 15 in wins in the history of the sport.
3 2nd place finishes in the championship
3 3rd place finishes.
Just curious, what are your thoughts on Gibernau.
From povol's purist perspective, anyone who isn't a potential champion is a waste of a GP seat. Biaggi was never going to be champion while Doohan and Rossi were riding, and he couldn't win against Criville and Kenny Jr.
How was sete's career any different from Biaggi? both great riders but no cigar. If you can sit there and say Biaggi couldn't cut it then surley the same should be said of sete.
Found the fire after Katoh's death, but that fire burned out quite quickly. Given how easily Rossi dispensed of him, he wasn't up to that much. Capirossi likewise, a legend (if a dirty, cheating legend) in 250s, fast but not quite there in the premier class. As for the Catalunya '06 argument, you might as well say that Pedrosa could have won the championship if it hadn't been for Simoncelli this year.
Biaggi was a far, far better rider than Gibernau ever was. They were both mentally fragile, though, fell for Rossi's headgames.
Ok mate. I took your earlier post as talking sete up while talking biaggi down. My bad , it seems we are agreeing.
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I had my response about Biaggi about 90% completed when i got tied up wit a customer, came back and finished it up without reading what had been posted while i was gone. seems im not the only one who saw Biaggis career in a different light.
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Now Now, i have argued against calling riders such as Capirossi and Biaggi legends of the sport, but i have never said they didnt belong, or couldnt cut it.
