And psychology has never meant a thing in motorcycle racing.
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2010 second part: the "Mundialito"
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And psychology has never meant a thing in motorcycle racing.
What universe do you live in?
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Lorenzo is a great rider but he's not all-powerful and unbeatable, as you seem to be assuming. He has been scoring more points for two races over three, before Rossi crashed -- this is good but not enough to declare him the stronger rider... Stoner in 2008 did the same and better, beating Rossi for three races in a row before Laguna, he looked unstoppable just as in 2007, and then we know how it ended. I am not saying Rossi is going to kick Lorenzo's ... every Sunday -- nobody can know that -- but I say it will be interesting to watch how this duel develops. Bring it on
Lorenzo is a great rider but he's not all-powerful and unbeatable, as you seem to be assuming. He has been scoring more points for two races over three, before Rossi crashed -- this is good but not enough to declare him the stronger rider... Stoner in 2008 did the same and better, beating Rossi for three races in a row before Laguna, he looked unstoppable just as in 2007, and then we know how it ended. I am not saying Rossi is going to kick Lorenzo's ... every Sunday -- nobody can know that -- but I say it will be interesting to watch how this duel develops. Bring it on
No racer like to loose and especially not the WC to be. It would be a very hard blow to Lorenzo if Rossi were to regularly beat him in the later part of this season.
He will look back at Hayden and his problems to get the full credit for his championship and he would HATE to have his first WC questioned due to Rossi's injuries and late charge. In addition it would also give his confidence a very hard blow it Rossi started beating him again. As #2 it's bearable to be beaten, as #1 it's not.
In a normal year it wouldn't be as important but a situation like this where his lead are mainly made in Rossi absence it would be so much more important. In other words,it would be a monumental surprise if Lorenzo wouldn't fight hard to regularly beat Rossi all the way to the end of the season. Rossi would equally love to beat his teammate and WC to be as often as possible.
That's about as real world as it gets in my book.
Actually your wrong they did tell him ...., as appartently, just to fill you in, Yamaha told vr that the extra funds would go to development, as it stands the only development that money is aiding is Jorges bank account.
and the fact that it is now very public as to why the pay cut offer exists, would infer that Yamaha believe it's best interests lie with keeping the spaniard happy and not the nine time world champ.......just as I said.
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Norah Head
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Winning a few meaningless races after coming back from illness is exactly what got everyone thinking that Stoner would be a force this year. This mini private championship is for boppers. I seriously doubt Lorenzo fans give a .... as long as he wins the title.
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Norah Head
No race win is meaningless you numnutts at that level, as long as i get close racing every single race i give a flying .... who wins the championship in the end.
Spot on!!
But the sad fact is Boppers will allways look for a consolation prize
You have been looking for that consolation prize for last three years now
You have been looking for that consolation prize for last three years now
Yes and the tool doesn't even realise that Povol was having a dig, for Baz was, or was one of, the biggest Moronic Stoner fans dribbling on about how much of a threat cs would be this season........
The laughs are priceless.......
Just like the Hayden fans didn't care? As we all know the Hayden fans cared so little that they just ignored the few hopeless Rossi boopers that said "If...", not.
Hayden him self ignored to the degree that he put it on his leathers. Surly non of this mattered one tiny bit for any of them
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Norah Head
You have been looking for that consolation prize for last three years now
Where?
No other group in history would ever come up with a "Mundialito"
Bop Bop Bop thats all it is
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Norah Head
How do you figure that
Yes the laughs are priceless, but sadly you don't even know what you are laughg about
No 3 races is not a championship and does not indicate who is the stronger rider but at the end of this season Lorenzo will almost certainly have the most points. That will be the decleration that he is the strongest rider. Rossi hasn't missed races by random selection, he's missed races because in his efforts to prove himself the stronger rider he made an error which which basically ruled him out of being the strongest rider. It's a cruel sport but it happens.
It wouldn't be a hard blow at all, their circumstances are so different the victory has very little context. Lorenzo will not be prepared to sacrifice his world championship to fight for race by race pride with Rossi when he could have the greater victory and the greater pride that comes with it. How you can reach the conclusion that winning is more important now that less is at stake is beyond me.
I didn't say they didn't tell him anything, i said i don't think they need to answer to him. Lorenzo being paid what he's worth was surely going to happen regardless of Rossi's salary or else Jorge would have left. So Rossi's pay cut does go to developing the bike because with out it the team would have had less budget.
I don't think now is the time for any carping about valentino, he deserves utmost admiration for returning this week-end and thereby demonstrating that the competitive flame still burns very brightly in him. I would hope that everyone wishes him well, and I think he has been missed by most, probably including jorge lorenzo who I am sure would have preferred to win the world championship in a straight-out year long fight with valentino.
It is by no means sure lorenzo would have beaten rossi in a full year battle, this season was strange what with sundry icelandic volcanoes, and valentino was in a similar position to early in the 2009 season. Not withstanding this, jorge's world championship will be as valid as any other including wayne rainey's 2002 championship and alex criville's 1999 championship, and I agree with tom that this is a sometimes cruel sport where staying on the bike and uninjured is a crucial aspect, as valentino has demonstrated par excellence in his career hitherto.
I think once valentino is at full capacity we may see some spectacular riding where he will try to win most races as he has done for nearly all his career with the exception of very recent years (mainly 2009), which I have always admired.
As for yamaha's wisdom if they do let him go we shall see; I guess they are in a difficult position with jorge the (very) likely 2010 world champion if valentino really has given them an ultimatum. There is some precedent with eddie lawson, who was closer in stature to valentino than most, although I regard ducati as a much more competitive equipe than cagiva 20 years ago. I agree with j4rno, talpa and others that whilst jorge has demonstrated (with his team) considerable set-up ability this is not the same as bike development ability; in a fairly analogous situation alex criville was looking very good on a doohan developed bike at a similar stage in the 1999 season, went on to win the championship, and was absolutely nowhere in 2000 in the absence of the retired mick doohan and with jerry burgess otherwise engaged.
It is by no means sure lorenzo would have beaten rossi in a full year battle, this season was strange what with sundry icelandic volcanoes, and valentino was in a similar position to early in the 2009 season. Not withstanding this, jorge's world championship will be as valid as any other including wayne rainey's 2002 championship and alex criville's 1999 championship, and I agree with tom that this is a sometimes cruel sport where staying on the bike and uninjured is a crucial aspect, as valentino has demonstrated par excellence in his career hitherto.
I think once valentino is at full capacity we may see some spectacular riding where he will try to win most races as he has done for nearly all his career with the exception of very recent years (mainly 2009), which I have always admired.
As for yamaha's wisdom if they do let him go we shall see; I guess they are in a difficult position with jorge the (very) likely 2010 world champion if valentino really has given them an ultimatum. There is some precedent with eddie lawson, who was closer in stature to valentino than most, although I regard ducati as a much more competitive equipe than cagiva 20 years ago. I agree with j4rno, talpa and others that whilst jorge has demonstrated (with his team) considerable set-up ability this is not the same as bike development ability; in a fairly analogous situation alex criville was looking very good on a doohan developed bike at a similar stage in the 1999 season, went on to win the championship, and was absolutely nowhere in 2000 in the absence of the retired mick doohan and with jerry burgess otherwise engaged.
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Why for boppers? If the mundialito will present us with some excellent racing, as I hope, then it is for all of us lovers of the sport. Good racing, even if devoid of concrete meaning re. the championship, is always good racing. Watching Stoner slide his Ducati through Phillips Island last year, with Rossi in tow, was just beautiful. Btw, I'd be cautious about dismissing Stoner, even for the remainder of this year... the lad has incredible speed in him and he also can give Lorenzo a little run for his money before the season ends.
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It may or may not, just depends on how the points stack up. There are five riders between Rossi and Jorge The point im getting at is this whole mini private championship talk is meaningless , plus it reeks of a prelude to off season "'what ifs" and questioning of any championship not won by Rossi. Think about it, it doesnt happen often, but the 2 titles Rossi hasnt won recently have all been questioned for one reason or another. Bad bike, bad tires, bad accountant, this year, bad luck.
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Norah Head
Absolutely spot on again.
Except you should have thrown in the classic "Stoner uses the most electricals than new york" the Boppers were touting.
