1200 approved for ama superbike

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Feb 3 2008, 03:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Those are 2 different bikes,the desmo rr is a v4,the 1098r is a vtwin.Either way the 1098r with 1198cc is the one that makes them rule abiding for the WSB and AMA if they are indeed offering 400 of them in the States.I wonder if they have to make 400 available total or if they have to make 400 available in every country they race in WSB.
This was my point; I think the NZ report in a general newspaper was getting the two confused. I have seen it reported by multiple different sources including the ducati site that the production run for the desmosedici rr the purported motogp replica (as you say a V4, of 989cc capacity) is 1500, but I have not seen any production run numbers for the V-twin 1098r including on the ducati site. Presumably they have to at least sell the numbers required for homologation as you said. My secondary point was that the 1098r is listed on the ducati site as a bike you can buy, and is an 1198 cc v-twin as the other source cited by yamacka said.

You may be right about the NZ report but, according to the rules they must make at least 1000 homologation specials.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Feb 3 2008, 08:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You may be right about the NZ report but, according to the rules they must make at least 1000 homologation specials.

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Interesting, thanks for the link. They have obviously left it open to themselves to control things with ad hoc weight penalties if the ducati is too good.

Interesting also that the build requirement for homologation from 2010 will be 3000; I don't know if even ducati can sell so many of such an expensive bike (US$40,000 currently). They have apparently not had any trouble selling 1500 of the desmosedici rr as my lexicon says, the US allocation apparently selling out in under 24 hours.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Feb 2 2008, 08:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wonder if they have to make 400 available total or if they have to make 400 available in every country they race in WSB.
I think its 400 world wide.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 3 2008, 09:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think its 400 world wide.
Rules say minimum of 1000 for 2008. See post #43 for link.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Feb 4 2008, 01:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rules say minimum of 1000 for 2008. See post #43 for link.
I wonder if the 3000 build requirement from 2010 is aimed at any future equivalent of the desmosedici rr. As I said I don't keep up with the regulatory contoversies and politics of wsbk, but I can't see why the current rr would not qualify for wsbk, and as my lexicon says may be why ducati was able to negotiate concessions for the v-twin.

Ive said it a million times, Ducati believes their advantage is greater, running the twin with 200 more cc's than it would be running a 1000cc V4 which they have proved they can make and race.They know they can threaten the governing bodies and get concessions on the twin where they couldnt with the V4.The politics of racing at ita finest

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Feb 4 2008, 06:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ive said it a million times, Ducati believes their advantage is greater, running the twin with 200 more cc's than it would be running a 1000cc V4 which they have proved they can make and race.They know they can threaten the governing bodies and get concessions on the twin where they couldnt with the V4.The politics of racing at ita finest
I don't think its that cynical. I think that Ducati has a niche in the V-twin enthusiast world and is trying to stay true to its brand appeal. There are plenty of cookie-cutter Jap fours out there, but only one competitive V-twin with a trellis frame. That's what their customers like, and so they try to race with this platform.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 6 2008, 07:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think its that cynical. I think that Ducati has a niche in the V-twin enthusiast world and is trying to stay true to its brand appeal. There are plenty of cookie-cutter Jap fours out there, but only one competitive V-twin with a trellis frame. That's what their customers like, and so they try to race with this platform.
I agree. I think that basically the ducati tradition is v-twin, and the bikes they are looking to sell are v-twins. Do they make a four cylinder other than the rr? Even that as I understand it is basically two v-twins combined.

I stand to be corrected, but I think the rr as a US$ 65,000 bike has all sorts of trick gear that honda, suzuki, yamaha et al could not afford to put on their production 4-cylinder bikes at a fraction of that sale price. The reviews suggest it is fairly close to what it purports to be, a 990cc motogp bike slightly detuned for the road, with 200bhp even with the roadgoing limit of 13,000 rpm. They have apparently sold 1500 of them even at the asking price.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 6 2008, 01:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think its that cynical. I think that Ducati has a niche in the V-twin enthusiast world and is trying to stay true to its brand appeal. There are plenty of cookie-cutter Jap fours out there, but only one competitive V-twin with a trellis frame. That's what their customers like, and so they try to race with this platform.

I like my conspiracy theory better .Besides,all the jap bikes are I4,Ducati could stay true to their heritage with the V4.it is still a V

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jan 31 2008, 10:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree buddy. This is why the Ducati is not running a 1200, but rather a 1098. The reason the rules change goes up to a 1200 is not for the Ducati's sake, but rather for the 1200 Buell who is also trying to get into the series. Not sure if you had heard the news, but Buell dropped it HD engine and has made an exlusive engine for the new 1200 Buell and is testing to enter the AMA superbike series.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Traverser @ Jan 23 2008, 02:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not the latest Buell. Dropped the Sportster engine for a Rotax built only for Buell.

It is real sad that Harley can't build a proper race bike engine for Eric Buell. I wish some day that Harley/Buell would build a true sport bike from the ground up. Maybe then I'd want one.



and here is your answer for 1200cc
I had no idea about TC

I'm a bit surprised ducati jumped so soon to the 1200cc. They always seemed to take a few steps to get to the class limit.

If I remember right, the 916cc was only ran at the start of the first season(94), than they bumped up to 955cc for a few years fallowed by 996/8 all in a basically same 916 package. Also if I stand to be corrected, wasn't the 996R 999cc's?!!!

I think ducati is in the right mind to have put out the 1098R(1200cc) and 848. It will make it easier for the non factory teams to race itallian bikes on the track and be competitive in the top classes. I just hope they aren't allowed anymore room for more cc's. What the hell adjust the weight limits.