Then the question is should two supposedly surperior riders be so far behind Zarco, a rookie despite the chassis change and in Rossi's case he was riding a bike he had plenty of experience.
Then the question is should two supposedly surperior riders be so far behind Zarco, a rookie despite the chassis change and in Rossi's case he was riding a bike he had plenty of experience.
Finished most races in the top 10 against 8 factory bikes(3 Hondas, 3 Ducatis, 2 Yamahas) + Zarco who is obviously quicker than him. That's pretty damn consistent and impressive in his rookie year. I don't remember him fading late during the races and losing positions either.
What do you dispute?.
It is a matter of historical record that the impetus for the revisiting of the old tyre came from Rossi. If the new tyre suiting MM better is your measure of Rossi being correct then I guess your case is proven, although I wouldn't have thought achieving such an outcome was in his job description as a Yamaha factory rider, and it is also a matter of historical record that his Yamaha team-mate had dominated pre-season testing and was leading the championship on the tyre initially chosen by the majority of riders and with which that team-mate wished to continue. I actually had no problem with them bringing back the previously rejected tyre, but thought the fair thing was for both tyres to continue until the end of the season.
Btw, on the occasion of the only previous mid-season tyre vote by riders that I recall, in 2012, your boy definitely chose wrongly, picking a tyre correctly identified by one Casey Stoner as being insufficiently durable to stand up to use (EDIT as) a race tyre, which later failed for several riders including Valentino himself.
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Look guys, everybody at Yamaha were sure they got the 2017 bike perfect because Vinales was so fast on it, early on. Rossi struggled and complained that the bike felt strangely understeering, but of course nobody paid attention. That is, until Jerez. They worried for the first time. Then, when the problem reiterated, they tried to solve it but got into confusion, with some help from Michelin's inconsistency and from the feedback offered by their two factory riders.
Yes, because the two riders they have now have very different styles. With Lorenzo and Rossi, Yamaha had parallel feedback that made sense. The two knew what they wanted -- basically the same kind of bike, that was a good common base adjustable to their personal preferences via setup changes. Fine. But now, they have Vinales who is a purely instinctive rider, point and shoot style. He can tell whether he feels fine with the bike or not, but not much more.
Rossi is a corner speed rider who has become more and more analytical as he grows old. He needs the bike in a certain precise way. So probably he gives even too much feedback. But what he says doesn't match with his teammate's feedback, so engineers have a problem. And when engineers compare the two riders' subjective feedback with hard data, they have three things that do not match. So what happens? They go their own way, and Yamaha is becoming more of an engineer's bike as a result, and less of a rider's bike.
The 2016 bike issue: Rossi says it felt fine, but it had the problem of wasting the rear tire before the end of a race. Remember? Now, Zarco is so fast on the 2016 bike because he is the best at managing the Michelin tires. (By the way, he is a French rider who rides for a French team. Vive la France!) Great also for Dorna's business in France.
Interesting notes: the winner of Valencia 2017 was slower than the winner of Valencia 2016 by 20 seconds. Rossi was slower than himself by 15 seconds Similar weather and track conditions. The two factory Yamahas used 2016 frames, courtesy of Tech3: Rossi said it felt better, but he was slower by 15 seconds compared to his 2016 race.
So the tires must have changed really a lot, and Yamaha are those suffering the most. With the lonely exception of Zarco. It will be interesting to see how this situation develops.
Yes, because the two riders they have now have very different styles. With Lorenzo and Rossi, Yamaha had parallel feedback that made sense. The two knew what they wanted -- basically the same kind of bike, that was a good common base adjustable to their personal preferences via setup changes. Fine. But now, they have Vinales who is a purely instinctive rider, point and shoot style. He can tell whether he feels fine with the bike or not, but not much more.
Rossi is a corner speed rider who has become more and more analytical as he grows old. He needs the bike in a certain precise way. So probably he gives even too much feedback. But what he says doesn't match with his teammate's feedback, so engineers have a problem. And when engineers compare the two riders' subjective feedback with hard data, they have three things that do not match. So what happens? They go their own way, and Yamaha is becoming more of an engineer's bike as a result, and less of a rider's bike.
The 2016 bike issue: Rossi says it felt fine, but it had the problem of wasting the rear tire before the end of a race. Remember? Now, Zarco is so fast on the 2016 bike because he is the best at managing the Michelin tires. (By the way, he is a French rider who rides for a French team. Vive la France!) Great also for Dorna's business in France.
Interesting notes: the winner of Valencia 2017 was slower than the winner of Valencia 2016 by 20 seconds. Rossi was slower than himself by 15 seconds Similar weather and track conditions. The two factory Yamahas used 2016 frames, courtesy of Tech3: Rossi said it felt better, but he was slower by 15 seconds compared to his 2016 race.
So the tires must have changed really a lot, and Yamaha are those suffering the most. With the lonely exception of Zarco. It will be interesting to see how this situation develops.
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Listen buddy, about 500 people just like you pounced on this forum post Malaysia 2015 and they all fluttered away in a month or so when they realised this wasn't a Rossi worship place.
New members are of course welcome, but not if they are unopen to reason when it comes to the Yellow Italian.
New members are of course welcome, but not if they are unopen to reason when it comes to the Yellow Italian.
I couldn’t care less if this is a Rossi worship place or whatever.
I discovered this place by accident and saw a whole bunch of armchair experts spreading vitriol and frankly idiotic opinions (Alex fn Barros responsible for the 2004 M1, anyone?). Sometimes it’s good to get a reality check.
I have been watching racing for a long time, before people starts discussing t on the internet. I have followed a lot of racers over the years, Rossi is just one of them. I love watching quite a few racers currently in MotoGP. But for some reason, if someone says they are a Rossi fan, you lots lose your .....
Well that’s good, because I like pressing buttons and making such people squirm!
I discovered this place by accident and saw a whole bunch of armchair experts spreading vitriol and frankly idiotic opinions (Alex fn Barros responsible for the 2004 M1, anyone?). Sometimes it’s good to get a reality check.
I have been watching racing for a long time, before people starts discussing t on the internet. I have followed a lot of racers over the years, Rossi is just one of them. I love watching quite a few racers currently in MotoGP. But for some reason, if someone says they are a Rossi fan, you lots lose your .....
Well that’s good, because I like pressing buttons and making such people squirm!
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How do you quantify that statement? How are you any more of an 'armchair expert' than anyone else here? For all you know, posters here could me MotoGP team employees. How is your opinion right, and ours wrong? Facts are king.
Good for you, how long? There are at least 2 posters here who have been watching racing since before I was even born. Posters here welcome all fans, even Rossi. But 99% of Rossi fans (yourself included) immediately drop to insults and the lowest common denominator (you've already insulted Stoner by calling him buck tooth and miserable) and dispelled posters statements as "Idiotic" without posting a shred of proof to prove otherwise.
This is a GP forum, not a BDSM site...
It all started out fine until some ..... thought it would be good to call me a bopper or whatever. You start that ...., don’t get too upset when it is returned with interest.
I have posted enough logical arguments earlier in the thread and one guy, definitely not the sharpest knife in the drawer decided to call them fairy tales and dismiss the whole post.
Reading is hard, I know. But don’t blame me for your failings.
I have posted enough logical arguments earlier in the thread and one guy, definitely not the sharpest knife in the drawer decided to call them fairy tales and dismiss the whole post.
Reading is hard, I know. But don’t blame me for your failings.
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I noticed that as well.
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So you're tarring us all with the same brush based on one poster? Ironic, since that is now exactly what you are complaining of.
Yet you immediately called Stoner names..... Tell us, what do you think about Marquez and what's your take on 2015?
What about Rossi's meltdown?
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