2016 m1 is so bad on tyres that Zarco has constitently made the soft tyre work over race distance. The original 2017 didn't seem to wear tyres when Vinales was dominating on it, in comes the new chassis Rossi demanded and once again it destroys rear tyres. I remember at Silverstone Rossi ran a harder tyre than Vinales who ran the softer but Vinales was able to have more pace than Rossi at the end. Maybe Rossi is actually the problem?
Zarco is extremely good at managing tires. All three of them ran the same chassis in Valencia and only Zarco didn’t suffer from late race tire wear.
Once again, just because Rossi demands a chassis doesn’t mean Viñales has to ride the same. That’s not how factory teams work.
Once again, just because Rossi demands a chassis doesn’t mean Viñales has to ride the same. That’s not how factory teams work.
Ummmm yes it did. Go and find the interviews with the guy. Yamaha refused to allow them to run two different chassis for some reason. Which is why he fought against the new chassis tooth and nail.
They took away the tyre with which that chassis worked, a change which as I recall Vinales voted against. I think it is vaguely possible Rossi had a role in that tyre vote coming about.
They, meaning 20 other riders?
Did Rossi leave a Horse’s head in all their beds, godfather style?
Did Rossi leave a Horse’s head in all their beds, godfather style?
Watch the Argentina press conference if you want to know what actually happened. It's spoken about at real length. Then line up Michelins ever changing press releases with what the riders say.
Yes, Rossi was the first to note that the new tyre blew.
Took a couple of races and most others fell in line. Funny enough, Márquez profited most from it.
Viñales has no problems piloting the Suzuki to impressive results with the “Old new” tyre in 216.
Took a couple of races and most others fell in line. Funny enough, Márquez profited most from it.
Viñales has no problems piloting the Suzuki to impressive results with the “Old new” tyre in 216.
I think Pedrosa while very good doesn’t quite have it in terms of putting a complete season together which is different to him not wanting to win; I recall him worthily winning Sachsenring 2012 if you don’t. He has mostly been better than alternatives, just as Valentino was undoubtedly a superior rider to the likes of Pol Espargaro among contenders for the other Yamaha seat for the 2013 season, but imo has been in the seat too long regardless as I have just said. What he has done since 2006 anyway is to work in his team’s interests and largely co-operatively with team mates, or at least has not actively undermined team-mates.
The riders at the time of the original test called the #70 tyre unrideable. Michelin went away and worked on the tyre and had it back for Argentina as new and improved. At that stage only one rider had asked for a different construction on the tyre.
And among the ones who didn’t ask for it to be revised was a guy who didn’t seem like the season was going his way, managed to turn it around once the tire was revised and went on to win the championship.
Rossi might no longer be the fastest guy out there, but he does have more experience than any other rider in the paddock. Maybe, just maybe when he says something isn’t working, it is actually because he knows his stuff.
Rossi might no longer be the fastest guy out there, but he does have more experience than any other rider in the paddock. Maybe, just maybe when he says something isn’t working, it is actually because he knows his stuff.
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this wouldn't happen to be the 2016M1 currebtly saddled by one Johan Zarco? Whom regularly runs races on soft option tyres.
Maybe your right. Zarco is likely on Lorenzos old M1.
See the post above on why Zarco is doing well on it.
Lorenzo complained about tire wear in 2016 too, he just didn’t push it as much as he was on his way out.
Lorenzo complained about tire wear in 2016 too, he just didn’t push it as much as he was on his way out.
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Is " his stuff" sabotage? Cos Yamaha are going backwards whilst they are listening to rossis "stuff" ...... indeed they are "stuffed" ..... rossi stuffed.
Yes, one year of going backwards over more than a decade of the opposite.
Quite the sabotage. Lay off the pipe, will ya?
Quite the sabotage. Lay off the pipe, will ya?
Again, riders weren't given an option of having the #70 tyre revised and went with the tyre they were able to ride on. If the rider vote 22-1 against any other rider Michelin never would've went back and worked on the tyre that was voted out. Don't be so obvious to why the tyre was changed and why the riders originally vetoed the new tyre. The problem is not that a new(and probably better) tyre was bought in but that Michelin either by themselves or instructed by DORNA moved and earth to give Rossi the tyre he wanted. Of those that voted for the new tyre, Redding for one came out and said he voted for it because it was going to happen anyway and Miller on the Australian broadcast said that he had a better feeling with the original tyre and has taken a long time to get the feel of the new tyre. That's two guys straight away that preferred the original tyre but voted for the new one and you have to wonder just how many voted the way they did because they were either told to do so or figured it was going to happen anyway.
The #70 is definitely superior than the one that the riders started on despite Yamahas problems with it. The tyre looks to be far more consistent than the #06 tyre and the racing most probably wouldn't have been as good on the #06.
For the record though, Rossi at first blamed his problems not on the chassis but the tyre. Once he got the tyre he wanted he blamed the chassis, once he got the chassis he wanted and his results got worse he like Vinales was totally lost and admitted that they have no idea how to fix the problem. So really Rossi isn't sure what the problems are but there was no such issues when Lorenzo was the one being listened to.
Folger was doing a pretty damn good job before he got sick. When's the last time someone was able to get that close to Marquez in Germany?
Most of that decade had Lorenzo in it, including 2 years where Rossi wasn't there and Lorenzo was winning or contending for championships.
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As for bringing up Sepang to show that Lorenzo and Dovi weren't getting along... There plenty of photos and videos of Lorenzo celebrating wIth Dovi. Do you think that Lorenzo may have been unhappy after Sepang because his team decided and demanded that he not win the race and give the position to Dovi? How would Rossi react to ring told to let Vinales through? Probably the same way he reacts to having a competitive team mate.
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If your speaking of the valencia result. No .... sherlock. Zarco has been riding the 16 bike all year, Rossi and Vinales jumped on it on Saturday from what i know.
On that alone I wouldn't doubt this result in forethought. (not sure if that is a word - opposite of afterthought.) Correct me someone.
In saying though, rossi should have had a decent baseline setting.
Folger did do very well in Germany. I am a huge fan himself.
But he has been nowhere as consistent as Zarco (neither was he in Moto2) to draw any conclusions on tyre wear on his bike.
But he has been nowhere as consistent as Zarco (neither was he in Moto2) to draw any conclusions on tyre wear on his bike.
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