Yamaha deny Valentino Rossi ultimatum

The lady doth protest too much...

Perhaps Yamaha are already starting to feel the pain of being off side with the yellow army at the dealership door.

Mental Anarchist said:

Perhaps Yamaha are already starting to feel the pain of being off side with the yellow army at the dealership door.

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Any reasonable argument or some more BS? As you've been proclaiming foul play on this supposed Ultimatum for months.....

I can't post a comment that you would find reasonable Talpa as I have an intellect and rationality. But to break it down for you.



One reason motorcycle manufacturers go racing is to sell motorbikes. The race rider of their motorcycle has a fan base. A percentage of that fan base will buy the brand of motorcycle that their favourite rider rides. If the rider leaves then a percentage of the fan base will probably leave that brand also. If the fans determine that the rider was ill treated by the manufacturer then maybe a higher percentage will leave the brand than previously would if they felt that the brand had disrespected the rider.



Now before you ask about hard evidence - no I don't have it but a reasonable person would probably assume that the above is reasonable. Of course you will not for obvious reasons.



And yes I know Rossi has 9 WC's before you tell us all again. And guess what unlike you I was out of nappies for all of them.

First the journalists invent Rossi's ultimatum, to make headlines.



Now, the same journalists -- desperate to make headlines in the off season -- discover that, after all, there was no ultimatum.



Yaaawnnnnnn

J4rn0 said:

First the journalists invent Rossi's ultimatum, to make headlines.



Now, the same journalists -- desperate to make headlines in the off season -- discover that, after all, there was no ultimatum.



Yaaawnnnnnn

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Okay, I'm open minded. Confused but open minded.

Why then did Vale leave his factory Yamaha team? The team he & his crew built?

I don't buy this ........ for a second. This is some kind of one-hand-washed-the-other publicity trade-off between Rossi

and Yamaha.

Pretty straight forward I guess. Yamaha always said they wanted to keep Vale & Lorenzo.

It was never Yamaha that drove Vale out. It was Vale that left. He certainly would have stayed if Lorenzo wasn't there though.

And who gives a rats ... about any of this??





















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Straight from the horses mouth



"I think Yamaha has to decide between me and Jorge "I have a great option to go to Ducati."



That was in November of last year, why is it even being discussed. Yamaha said all along they would love to have both back, that was not acceptable to Rossi. End of story

This is just more non-story stocking fillers . The question needs to be asked of Rossi,not Yamaha, what hey interpret the change as doesn't add not dtract from any rumour that was a point for Rossi to decide on.

Frizzle said:

Okay, I'm open minded. Confused but open minded.

Why then did Vale leave his factory Yamaha team? The team he & his crew built?

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That's not so difficult to see. When after the Mugello crash it became clear that he wouldn't become world champion in 2010, and that Lorenzo would, he decided to move rather than staying in Yamaha as rider #2 (which you become inevitably when your teammate is the WC).

J4rn0 said:

That's not so difficult to see. When after the Mugello crash it became clear that he wouldn't become world champion in 2010, and that Lorenzo would, he decided to move rather than staying in Yamaha as rider #2 (which you become inevitably when your teammate is the WC).

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That is almost laughable to be honest J4rn0

In 2011 they would both be on zero at the start of the year. Your not seriously trying to tell us that the team would have favoured Lorenzo to the detriment of Rossi are you?

I think this is exactly what i had been saying, Yamaha wanted both riders, Lorenzo wanted to stay with Rossi, Valentino found that unacceptable.

J4rn0 said:

That's not so difficult to see. When after the Mugello crash it became clear that he wouldn't become world champion in 2010, and that Lorenzo would, he decided to move rather than staying in Yamaha as rider #2 (which you become inevitably when your teammate is the WC).

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so lorenzos bike wasn't as good as vales the last few years?



i think its a bit of a shame that a huge corporation like yamaha who did absolutly everything for rossi now have to lie and deny his ........ because they're afraid to become villified like most rossi opponents.hating on biaggi,sete,stoner and lorenzo is one thing ,but this is another.

Frizzle said:

That is almost laughable to be honest J4rn0

In 2011 they would both be on zero at the start of the year. Your not seriously trying to tell us that the team would have favoured Lorenzo to the detriment of Rossi are you?

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Try to think more instead of laughing too much then





The importance of being rider #1 is not in imaginary conspiracies to damage rider #2 -- But as a matter of fact rider #1 will lead the development, and it is likely that a development led by Lorenzo and Forcada would objectively be tailored on Lorenzo's style which is different from Rossi's.



Besides, Rossi has his pride and would not like to ride in the team of a World Champion that is not himself.

J4rn0 said:

Try to think more instead of laughing too much then

The importance of being rider #1 is not in imaginary conspiracies to damage rider #2 -- But as a matter of fact rider #1 will lead the development, and it is likely that a development led by Lorenzo and Forcada would objectively be tailored on Lorenzo's style which is different from Rossi's.



Besides, Rossi has his pride and would not like to ride in the team of a World Champion that is not himself.

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Yes it's normal that the development will be lead by the better performing rider in any given team. Rossi left because he realized he was no longer that man.

J4rn0 said:

Try to think more instead of laughing too much then

The importance of being rider #1 is not in imaginary conspiracies to damage rider #2 -- But as a matter of fact rider #1 will lead the development, and it is likely that a development led by Lorenzo and Forcada would objectively be tailored on Lorenzo's style which is different from Rossi's.



Besides, Rossi has his pride and would not like to ride in the team of a World Champion that is not himself.

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I think the list of successful motorsport teams which have had dual number 1 riders/drivers is a short one; perhaps red bull in F1 this year can be added, but it is easy to think of examples where world championships have been given away, as red bull almost did this year. It generally only works when the opposition teams are weak, not something that will (hopefully) be the case next year in motogp.



I would also reserve judgement on the purity of jorge's principles on this matter until we see how keen he is for ben spies to have equal treatment next year. He pretty clearly wanted to be treated as a number 1 rider in the concluding stages of this season imo.



Anyway, if valentino doesn't want to be a number 2 rider and has alternatives to avoid this status surely it is his business if he chooses to take such alternatives, or even to move to make more money if it pleases him to do so; his contract was up after all. I see no imperative for him to be at all gracious about it, and you don't achieve what he has achieved by being gracious (on the track anyway); in addition I would imagine he wishes to fulfil whatever remaining ambitions he has quickly, rather than spending even a year either re-establishing his status at yamaha or wasted with yamaha following a wrong direction led by jorge. The latter is exactly what happened with alex criville at hrc in 2000 after a strong championship win on a doohan/jb developed bike in 1999.