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World,AMA,British,Australian,Canadian

Joined Feb 2007
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The reason i ask is, this weekend at Fontana, the 2nd race of the weekend was a thriller and no one has said a word about it.After getting thumped in race 1 by seven seconds,Mladin goes for the lead early and takes off to a 3 second lead.With about 10 to go Spies starts reeling him in quickly and with 5 or so laps to go actually passed Mladin who Immediatley passes him back and despite being shown the wheel on just about every turn for the nextr 4 laps, he somehow held on to win by a wheel.

Back to who has the best Superbike series.
I would rate them

#1 World
#2 AMA
#3 British
#4 Ausralian
#4 Canadian
 
#1 Australian, because Aussies win it.
#2 BSB, because it's a stepping stone to WSBK for Aussies
#3 AMA, because an Aussie used to win it
#4 Canadian, to fill the gap
#5 WSBK Because Bayliss is....
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I can't bring myself to say it. Come back down here, JT. I'll be waiting for ya with beer cans full of gravel
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ May 1 2007, 05:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>#5 WSBK Because Bayliss is....
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I can't bring myself to say it
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Getting his ... whupped by a pom?
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#1 World - Best and most exciting SBK series by far
#2 British- The most competetive national series in the world
#3 AMA - OCCASIONAL good fights, but .... camera work makes it seem worse than it is
#4 Aussie- Saw a round, bloody nutters!
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#5 Canadian- they have a SBK series?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ May 1 2007, 05:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Getting his ... whupped by a pom?
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I hate Toesland so much. I shouldn't, he's an awsome rider with a brilliant future. Hopefully he'll carry the banner for SBK riders in GP in the near future.... but he's a pom beating an Aussie... it defies the laws of nature!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ May 1 2007, 08:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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I hate Toesland so much. I shouldn't, he's an awsome rider with a brilliant future. Hopefully he'll carry the banner for SBK riders in GP in the near future.... but he's a pom beating an Aussie... it defies the laws of nature!
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No bringing cricket into it!
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How many wins does Bayliss have this season?
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1. World
The racing is thrilling and is at a higher level than any domestic series. The best superbike riders in the world battling for a world title!

2. BSB

Some of the best circuits in the world, exciting racing from a deep field of riders, and the best manufacture support of any superbike series. By far the best domestic series in the world.

3. AMA

AMA is good, its highly professional and it can through up some good races and circuits. But some circuits are terrible, the racing is often boring and th field is weak.

I am not familiar enough with the other series in question, but i've watched some of the australian championship and it was basically club level racing. It used to feed ridders to the world championship, now a Oz champ would just about cut it in BSB.
 
Oh God, give me Doohan, give me Cricket, give me somthing to keep the Englanders at bay!

Brookes needs to improve quicker for my sake. Poor Bayliss.....
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AMA is good, its highly professional and it can through up some good races and circuits. But some circuits are terrible, the racing is often boring and th field is weak.

Tom,I agree with you,especially about some of the circuits.I cannot stand the Nascar infield tracks such as Fontana and Daytona.At least the other 2 that were on the schedule are now gone .Barber,Laguna,Miller,Mid Ohio are first rate race courses with Road America,and VIR slightly behind them.A combination of things have happened that has led to Team Yoshimura being so dominant and in turn, making the racing boring because of their dominance.After Rossi beat Honda in his first year at Yamaha,Honda yanked HRC factory built bikes from the AMA teams so they could concentrate on Gp and getting that title back and Honda America went at it alone and it was a disaster.I think they have won 1 race since then.Plus for a time,Yamaha and Kawasaki didnt field a superbike effort until last year for Kawasaki and this year for Yamaha.The one thing the AMA has over all others is riders who have gone on to Gp fame and title holders.
Spencer
Rainey
Schwantz
Lawson
Hayden
Edwards

I dont think King Kenny,Mamola,Or Jr ever raced superbike,but i may be wrong
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ May 1 2007, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>AMA is good, its highly professional and it can through up some good races and circuits. But some circuits are terrible, the racing is often boring and th field is weak.

Tom,I agree with you,especially about some of the circuits.I cannot stand the Nascar infield tracks such as Fontana and Daytona.At least the other 2 that were on the schedule are now gone .Barber,Laguna,Miller,Mid Ohio are first rate race courses with Road America,and VIR slightly behind them.A combination of things have happened that has led to Team Yoshimura being so dominant and in turn, making the racing boring because of their dominance.After Rossi beat Honda in his first year at Yamaha,Honda yanked HRC factory built bikes from the AMA teams so they could concentrate on Gp and getting that title back and Honda America went at it alone and it was a disaster.I think they have won 1 race since then.Plus for a time,Yamaha and Kawasaki didnt field a superbike effort until last year for Kawasaki and this year for Yamaha.The one thing the AMA has over all others is riders who have gone on to Gp fame and title holders.
Spencer
Rainey
Schwantz
Lawson
Hayden
Edwards

I dont think King Kenny,Mamola,Or Jr ever raced superbike,but i may be wrong

Its a fair point, the AMA has a history of producing the best riders in the world, but then this is also due to the dirt track background and the fact that the AMA led the way before other significant superbike championships were set up. Recently speaking the AMA doesn't offer the same quality of rider as it used to, and it is widely considered a "trap" to stay in America any longer than necessary. All the resent riders who have come to GP having been in AMA have moved over to Europe as soon as possible, usually in their very early twenties and with massive talent.
 
Most of those big names were from a certain era with Edwards and Hayden being the only ones in a while.Gp has gotten so political it doesnt matter if you are the best rider available,its where your from and what you can bring with you that matters.I will go out on a limb and say that half the field in Gp could be replaced by better riders from other series.Mladin,Spies,Corser,Haga,Biaggi,Bayliss,Tosland,to name a few.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ May 1 2007, 07:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Most of those big names were from a certain era with Edwards and Hayden being the only ones in a while.Gp has gotten so political it doesnt matter if you are the best rider available,its where your from and what you can bring with you that matters.I will go out on a limb and say that half the field in Gp could be replaced by better riders from other series.Mladin,Spies,Corser,Haga,Biaggi,Bayliss,Tosland,to name a few.

i disagree. i think all of these riders would struggle to hack the motogp pace, and would be grid fillers. Spies and JT however are on the upward slope and could potentially reach the level later in their careers, but Spies needs to prove himself to be worthy first.
 
Did you include Biaggi in your comment Tom or did you not see his name on the list?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 1 2007, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i disagree. i think all of these riders would struggle to hack the motogp pace, and would be grid fillers. Spies and JT however are on the upward slope and could potentially reach the level later in their careers, but Spies needs to prove himself to be worthy first.

To me,that is what the lower half is anyway,grid fillers.Granted,the lower half are not on bikes that can win but i would take the list i mentioned over

Jacque
Hoffman

Pitt [Illmor=Gone]
Mcwilliams [Illmor=Gone]
Guintoli
Tamada
DePuniet
 
+ 1 Povol.

You can hardly call WSBK guys grid fillers if they moved over, look at the grid in moto gp before you say that.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ May 1 2007, 09:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>To me,that is what the lower half is anyway,grid fillers.Granted,the lower half are not on bikes that can win but i would take the list i mentioned over

Jacque
Hoffman

Pitt [Illmor=Gone]
Mcwilliams [Illmor=Gone]
Guintoli
Tamada
DePuniet

I partially agree, OJ, Pitt, Mcwilliams and Tamada are all unworthy. However Hoff, Guinoli and DePuniet are all young riders with bright futures. Like i said earlier they are riders on the way up
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ May 1 2007, 12:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>#1 Australian, because Aussies win it.
#2 BSB, because it's a stepping stone to WSBK for Aussies
#3 AMA, because an Aussie used to win it
#4 Canadian, to fill the gap
#5 WSBK Because Bayliss is....
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I can't bring myself to say it. Come back down here, JT. I'll be waiting for ya with beer cans full of gravel
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Mladin won AMA.

AMA Superbikes kick a$$.
Canadian SBK's are okay as I raced at Mosport last year with miserable results, lack of top facilities and short season.
BSB, never seen a race and only knows one rider. Does Shane Byrne still race there? If he doesn't I don't know a single rider. Same with Aussie SBK's.
WSBK, no American's. Great schedule, even without a US round(s).