Will Hayden Retain the title?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Nov 2 2006, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hi roger-m,

"not that of a multiple world champion" not giving the guy much credit, but hey, not many did this year, especially after Portugal.

I'm not so sure 150+mph is exactly "cruising" and really, I'm not to eager to check on his "balls" but he did show at "...-en" what he's made of. What say you?
yep i will give you that one jumkie, he did bloody good at assen and did push hard, but he needs to push like that all the time to be a multi champ. mabe he will next year,mabe this world championship will give him the zeal needed. my money is still on the doctor but you new that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Nov 2 2006, 07:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hi Mr. Shupe and Roger-m,

What is the quality of a "multiple" champion winner the FIRST year he wins the championship? (as you give me your well thought out answer, please remember the first years that, Lawson, Mamola, Rainey and other greats exibited.) Notice I'm asking about their FIRST year they won the title.

dont try and argue against him, he is very good at debating! lol (as i found out )

I belive that Rossi will take it next season!

But it isn't really the time for saying if Hayden will do it again or not

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (4..louzi..2 @ Nov 2 2006, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>dont try and argue against him, he is very good at debating! lol (as i found out )

Hey Louzi, so are you. But I'm not looking for debate here. I encourage you to read previous posts by Mr. Shupe, this guy is very insightful. (can't really say the same for roger-m though....(jk)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Nov 2 2006, 07:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey Louzi, so are you. But I'm not looking for debate here. I encourage you to read previous posts by Mr. Shupe, this guy is very insightful. (can't really say the same for roger-m though....(jk)

k lol

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Nov 2 2006, 07:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hi Mr. Shupe and Roger-m,

What is the quality of a "multiple" champion winner the FIRST year he wins the championship? (as you give me your well thought out answer, please remember the first years that, Lawson, Mamola, Rainey and other greats exibited.) Notice I'm asking about their FIRST year they won the title. I'm interested in knowing what you think Hayden is lacking at this point that these other champs exibited at the SAME point in their careers.
Seas Class Moto Race Win Pod Pole FLap Pts Plcd WCh
1996 125cc Aprilia RS125R 15 1 2 1 2 111 9th 0
1997 125cc Aprilia RS125R 15 11 13 4 7 321 1st 1
1998 250cc Aprilia RS250 14 5 9 0 3 201 2nd 0
1999 250cc Aprilia RS250 16 9 12 5 8 309 1st 1
2000 500cc Honda NSR500 16 2 10 0 5 209 2nd 0
2001 500cc Honda NSR500 16 11 13 4 10 325 1st 1
2002 MotoGP Honda RC211V 16 11 15 7 9 355 1st 1
2003 MotoGP Honda RC211V 16 9 16 9 12 357 1st 1
2004 MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 16 9 11 5 3 304 1st 1
2005 MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 17 11 16 5 6 367 1st 1
2006 MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 17 5 10 5 4 247 2nd 0
2007 MotoGP Yamaha 0 0 0 0 0 0 - -
Total 174 84 127 45 69 3106 7
this is rossi's career stats. rossi FIRST prem class win was 2001, as you can see out of 16 stars he won 11. hayden won 2.
i thing this is what you were asking for ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Nov 2 2006, 07:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Seas Class Moto Race Win Pod Pole FLap Pts Plcd WCh
1996 125cc Aprilia RS125R 15 1 2 1 2 111 9th 0
1997 125cc Aprilia RS125R 15 11 13 4 7 321 1st 1
1998 250cc Aprilia RS250 14 5 9 0 3 201 2nd 0
1999 250cc Aprilia RS250 16 9 12 5 8 309 1st 1
2000 500cc Honda NSR500 16 2 10 0 5 209 2nd 0
2001 500cc Honda NSR500 16 11 13 4 10 325 1st 1
2002 MotoGP Honda RC211V 16 11 15 7 9 355 1st 1
2003 MotoGP Honda RC211V 16 9 16 9 12 357 1st 1
2004 MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 16 9 11 5 3 304 1st 1
2005 MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 17 11 16 5 6 367 1st 1
2006 MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 17 5 10 5 4 247 2nd 0
2007 MotoGP Yamaha 0 0 0 0 0 0 - -
Total 174 84 127 45 69 3106 7
this is rossi's career stats. rossi FIRST prem class win was 2001, as you can see out of 16 stars he won 11. hayden won 2.
i thing this is what you were asking for ?


Year Class Classification Machine Victories
1979 250cc 4th Yamaha 0
1979 500cc 8th Suzuki 0
1980 500cc 2nd Suzuki 2
1981 500cc 2nd Suzuki 2
1982 500cc 6th Suzuki 1
1983 500cc 3rd Suzuki 0
1984 500cc 2nd Honda 3
1985 500cc 6th Honda 1
1986 500cc 3rd Yamaha 1
1987 500cc 2nd Yamaha 3
1988 500cc 12th Cagiva 0
1989 500cc 18th Cagiva 0
1990 500cc 14th Honda 0
1991 500cc 10th Yamaha 0
mamola stats, not sure why you picked him as he didnt win a championship.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (4..louzi..2 @ Nov 2 2006, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>k lol
he means i dont agree with him.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Nov 2 2006, 10:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ha ha ha, em I the only person that thinks its funny how people keep coming up with ways (some creative) to take shots at Hayden?

Reading all the threads after Portugal, people took shots and said Hayden didn't have what it takes to be champion (I’m being mild here), then just before the last race most predicted on a poll a resounding win by Rossi. I even saw one that predicted a DNF for Hayden.

Result: Hayden wins. (Rossi crashes).

So here is my prediction for next year: Hayden wins.

They're not creative, they're facts. Look at them for a second... Yes, Nicky won the championship but how can you say that he'll repeat on your own account. Give us a reason why he'll repeat. Some of us have given you reasons and facts why Rossi will regain. He help developed two 990cc machines that were DOMINANT in winning 4 championships and due to misfortunes wasn't able to win a fifth. Nicky won only 3 races and blew a 51 point lead. Now tell me you prediction. If it isn't Rossi, I would put my money on Dani or Marco, based on talet that is.... but remember, new bike for 07, and Rossi has proved that he can make a machine do the impossible based on his talent.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Nov 2 2006, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hi Mr. Shupe and Roger-m,

What is the quality of a "multiple" champion winner the FIRST year he wins the championship? (as you give me your well thought out answer, please remember the first years that, Lawson, Mamola, Rainey and other greats exibited.) Notice I'm asking about their FIRST year they won the title. I'm interested in knowing what you think Hayden is lacking at this point that these other champs exibited at the SAME point in their careers.

In 1990, the year of Rainey's first title, he won 7 GPs. However, in 1993, his last title year, he only won 3.

In 1984, lawson's first 500cc title, he won 4 GPs. Not a staggering number, I know.

Mamola never won a premiere-class title.

In 2001, his first title year, Rossi won 11 races...I think.

I'm not counting Nicky out of next year's fight. I'm just saying that he rode well this year, yet he didn't set the world on fire. Who knows, maybe his clutch (no pun intended) performance at Valencia lit a fire in him that will grow, turning him into another Rainey or Lawson. Remember, I said that Nicky hasn't shown he is another Rainey or Lawson...yet.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Nov 2 2006, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i thing this is what you were asking for ?

Nice roger-m,

Yes, definitely wins; but I was referring to "qualities" (mental strength character, ability to come back from adversity, and such). I ask this because so much is made about him lacking what it takes to be a champ.

You make a great point, no matter what Jumkie thinks about you, you're all right by me. BTW: I’m still cracking up about that “he’s not programmed to” thing you said.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Nov 2 2006, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Remember, I said that Nicky hasn't shown he is another Rainey or Lawson...yet.

Thanks Mr. Shupe. (wher's da blog?, you gotta work on one)

FYI Mamola was a typ-oh

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Nov 2 2006, 08:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>he means i dont agree with him.

lol, i didnt know wot 2 write, so i just put that...didnt reeli understand it

It's a no for me, I think Rossi will win it back again, and theirs plenty of other riders out their worthy of the title, like Colin!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Nov 2 2006, 02:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>he means i dont agree with him.

He put "jk" at the end of his post. In america "jk" is short hand for "just kidding." This abbreviation, among many many others, comes from the growth of the internet and the instantaneous communication it facilitates.

(I hope I don't sound condescending, I just didn't know if instant messenger shorthand like "jk" was very common outside of the US. I've found that the diversity of this forum can make things tricky.)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tornado @ Nov 2 2006, 04:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>theirs plenty of other riders out their worthy of the title, like Colin!
tornado why does colin deserve it. he has'nt even won a race yet. besides you don't deserve it unless u earn it. & colin has'nt earned it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Nov 2 2006, 08:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He put "jk" at the end of his post. In america "jk" is short hand for "just kidding." This abbreviation, among many many others, comes from the growth of the internet and the instantaneous communication it facilitates.

(I hope I don't sound condescending, I just didn't know if instant messenger shorthand like "jk" was very common outside of the US. I've found that the diversity of this forum can make things tricky.)


ok lol now i understand it, im gonna use that expression now i havent come across it before, but i'll look out for it ...fankuu

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (krazy91 @ Nov 2 2006, 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>vote your answer and maybe a reason why you voted that way?

ptk50, this is not "Rossi-Worship" anybody who followed the season can see what happened - Rossi lost the title (for a whole number of reasons, one of the major ones being his own mistakes in the last race, but he was not to blame for the 3 dnf's) Hayden won all of 2 races and was "consistent" that's sort of like girls being interseting or having "nice eyes" Hayden is a good rider, but not World Champion material and he simply benefitted from Rossi's and others' bad luck - Capirossi was well positioned until Gibernau put him out. The World Championship used to be decided on different metrics; highest number of 1st places combined with podium places. That way exceptional performance and not mediocrity are rewarded. We'll know next year, but my bet is if the World Champion 2007 is not Rossi, it certainly won't be Nicky Hayden

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Nov 2 2006, 08:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He put "jk" at the end of his post. In america "jk" is short hand for "just kidding." This abbreviation, among many many others, comes from the growth of the internet and the instantaneous communication it facilitates.

(I hope I don't sound condescending, I just didn't know if instant messenger shorthand like "jk" was very common outside of the US. I've found that the diversity of this forum can make things tricky.)
no i didnt no that, but i do now cheers.

Colin Edwards doesn't deserve anything, especially if he keeps up with his Valentino ...-kissing attitude. He has no ambition, and someone with no ambition doesn't deserve to be on the most competitive motorbike racing grid in the world.
They've taken the clip off YouTube (someone copied it from motogp.com and they get pissy about such stuff apparently) but it was really pathetic.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (onyurtail @ Nov 2 2006, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Give us a reason why he'll repeat.

Formulating, stand-by.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (IsraeliRacer @ Nov 2 2006, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>They've taken the clip off YouTube (someone copied it from motogp.com and they get pissy about such stuff apparently) but it was really pathetic.

What happened in the clip? Tell me more.

You forgot one other option Krazy and that is....

Don't know, no idea etc...

I will class myself in that group, as I too think next year will be a lottery on who will win.