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Why 2011 could be a tough year for Rossi

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Valentino Rossi is gearing up for his first season at Ducati. But still carrying the after effects of last year's shoulder injury, will he be the same old Rossi? Toby Moody investigates



It seems as though the stars might be aligning for the dream team that is Valentino Rossi aboard a Ducati for the next two seasons in MotoGP.



The furthest star away is actually Valentino himself, or his shoulder to be more precise. It's in a mess after falling off a motocross bike in late April 2010 and only having the operation to fix it in early November, by which time it was in even more of a mess with tendons having shortened, some maybe becoming permanently damaged.



It was telling how Valentino shook my hand on Tuesday that he could hardly lift his elbow from his chest and was very careful how he gripped. More un-masculine wet fish than being able to hold onto a 240bhp bike over the crest at Mugello. Rule number one when greeting a motorcycle racer; never slap them over the shoulder, no matter how good your best intentions.



Two things struck me; he really isn't very well with this shoulder, or it's a bit of a VR bluff he and his mates have cooked up. Nothing wrong in the latter as that's all part of racing, but seeing him snowboard down a steep red slope on Thursday afternoon struck me as not the brightest of things to be doing, considering the guy costs Ducati and his other sponsors over €1 million a race.



PR picture-friendly that it was to have him in red on the slopes, I wouldn't have let him do it when wannabe Herrman Meiers are rattling past him at 50mph. Well, that's what I thought as I passed a stricken snowboarder 10 minutes later being stretchered away on a snow mobile.



That was my first concern. Secondly, the GP11 Ducati looks, on paper at least, to have rid itself of the dreaded front end nightmares of 2010. Nicky Hayden went off it at 124mph at Jerez. Casey Stoner had his fair share of loop the loops too.



"Yeah, for sure that's one of the places we want to improve," said Hayden. "Make the front better, get to understand it more, where we can find the feeling and have a bit more cushion there - so when it's pushing you understand it and it's not too late.



"A lot of times we struggled in corners last year where we closed the throttle and didn't actually use the front brake to hold the front, it didn't steer so well, so that's one area for sure."



Team manager, still part test rider, top bloke and wearer of the finest set of sideburns in the 21st century, Vito Guareschi said the problem may be cured.



"Ohlins are making a new fork that is really a blend between the 2008 fork and the 2010 one," he said. "The bike in Valencia, and at the moment, has 48mm forks but the new forks we will get for the first test in Sepang will be 42mm for the GP11."



"It's really a flex package that we are making to try and overcome the problems. This includes a new chassis [airbox] that will still be stable on the brakes, but have enough flex to help the riders into the corners."



The steadying hand is Jerry Burgess and the guys who have come over with Rossi. To be hugely stereotypical about this, the Italians got in a bit of a flap during the autumn about how they were going to make a bike for Rossi, but one gets the impression the Italians are realising that getting in a flap will not help the project.



Project boss Filippo Preziosi has already fathomed some of Burgess's unruffled abilities.



"Jerry is so very good too," siad Preziosi. "He is very positive and calm, even if there is something not very good or bad on the bike, he is always explaining this in a positive way in order to make it better."





The whole Italian thing is going to be a good thing, in that direct words from Rossi can not be lost in translation.



However, with the GP11 being an evolution of the GP10, we all await the 1000cc GP12 bike for the new formula next year. That bike has already been worked on for nearly a year, soon to be running at Mugello for its customary roll out in April, just as the other bikes have had in recent seasons.



Can Ducati steal a march on the others just as they did when the 800cc formula came out? (the bike taking 11 wins from 18 races in 2007). Preziosi didn't answer too many questions about the GP12, particularly regarding the capacity. Might it not be a full 1000cc? Remember some engineers tried to out-think physics by not having a full 990cc engine in the early days of MotoGP? Don't tell the riders if it's not a full bore.



Rossi will have a great deal to say about the GP12 once he gets his teeth into the Bologna culture, but that seems to be a long way away at the moment. Not that he won't get on with them, but in that his recovering shoulder is going to be the focus of all the attention in the formative months of the 2011 season. Don't forget that when we got to Mugello in June last year, he was beginning to complain about the diagnosis of his injured shoulder over a month earlier - alas all that was forgotten when he fell off on the Saturday.



"Based on the controls we have done during the year, it seemed just the result of a normal fall," Rossi said. "But in reality the problem was a bit bigger.





Valentino Rossi and Nicky Hayden © Sutton

"Unfortunately, when you have to nurture a tendon, you cannot improve too quickly. You have to adjust yourself to the normal time for recovery. The tendon, five, six weeks just to have no scarring, then after that you can start working on the muscular structure.



"I hope to be in shape for March 20th and at 100 per cent in let's say April or May."



All of this leaves Nicky Hayden as the experienced team leader with a hell of an opportunity to get stuck in with a bike that has a front end stuck to the ground. He's actually going to have the same engineer as 2010 in Juan Martinez, good for Nicky that he can build on a full season with the Spaniard rather than the disrupted 2009 with a change half way.



"We've been in contact a lot since Valencia, talking about things, we've got really good chemistry. I've got a really good guy in my corner."



Nicky will enjoy being a little in the background as the fans go to town on the whole Rossi at Ducati fiesta. The fans were out in greater numbers than ever before at an event, where the Tifosi's beloved Ferrari drivers are present, to see Rossi last week.



Fernando Alonso and Felipe Massa were never on their own, but they had nothing like the mobbing Rossi had, so much so that Valentino was last to arrive to events (no change there then!) and one of the first to leave.



That might have grated some people, but at the end of the day he's won seven titles in 500cc, 990cc and 800cc MotoGP. No-one else has won more than one yet. The last person to win more than one 500cc/MotoGP title was Mick Doohan in 1998. Blimey.



So, how will it all go? Of course race wins will be there, but the title is all down to how good Valentino's shoulder is in the early races when the others are piling up the points.



For Ducati, it may do well to blend in what Hayden's got to say as he's fit and the man with the most miles on a works Ducati. He's a world champion and no other team in the pitlane can boast two MotoGP champions.
 
I questioned why Val was snowboarding last week, not the smartest of things to be doing with a shoulder on the mend, then he drives in the kart race on a bumpy track...WTF really? The grip in the hand shake, not sure you can put much into that, has he shaken Val's hand before, and know's that Val normally has a firm handshake? Some guys just don't have a firm handshake, again hard to speculate on that. Is Rossi being coy about his condition....hard to say, I just know a shoulder injury of any severity is very tough to get over.
 
Sandbagger !!!!
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but at the end of the day he's won seven titles in 500cc, 990cc and 800cc MotoGP. No-one else has won more than one yet. The last person to win more than one 500cc/MotoGP title was Mick Doohan in 1998. Blimey.



Blimey indeed. Every time Rossi's achievements lose their impact someone says it in a different way and it hits me all over again. Incredible
 
Sure. It would be difficult to have the shoulder problem alone, or the new bike problem alone; but to have these two problems at the same time equals a very difficult season... as Monsieur de la Palisse would agree
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Sure. It would be difficult to have the shoulder problem alone, or the new bike problem alone; but to have these two problems at the same time equals a very difficult season... as Monsieur de la Palisse would agree
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Agreed. Any realistic observer of motogp should not expect too much of Vale in the first half of the season. Nicky will be Ducatis spearhead in early 2011. Whats the betting he has more points at years end??
 
Agreed. Any realistic observer of motogp should not expect too much of Vale in the first half of the season. Nicky will be Ducatis spearhead in early 2011. Whats the betting he has more points at years end??

Whats the betting that he will even be allowed to have more points at the end of the year?. I personally think Rossi will be fit by the start of the season, and the shoulder is being held as an ace in the whole , just in case he doesnt come to terms with the bike.
 
Do you think Rossi will not come to terms with the bike?



.........and if so, and if Hayden is not handicapped by politics, who do you predict to be ducati,s leading pointscorer in 2011.



Go out on a limb......be bold......say it..............................
 
Nicky will most probably be the top Ducati rider at the beginning of the season, and maybe even De Puniet (or Capirossi) could be faster than Rossi in the first few races. By the end of the season, however, I think Rossi will be ahead of all other Ducati riders (which could be, maybe, 3rd or 4th overall).





Hey, but we are already asked to predict things here -- where is the proper 2011 Predictions Thread?
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Nicky will most probably be the top Ducati rider at the beginning of the season, and maybe even De Puniet (or Capirossi) could be faster than Rossi in the first few races. By the end of the season, however, I think Rossi will be ahead of all other Ducati riders (which could be, maybe, 3rd or 4th overall).





Hey, but we are already asked to predict things here -- where is the proper 2011 Predictions Thread?
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You,ve probably got it right, but I have a little inkling that Hayden has had years to understand the ducks quirks (not quacks!), and that maybe it might take Vale a bit longer than we expect to "understand" it, and hence not have enough time to close in on Hayden by years end.



Where are the Hayden boppers when I want them
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Whats the betting that he will even be allowed to have more points at the end of the year?. I personally think Rossi will be fit by the start of the season, and the shoulder is being held as an ace in the whole , just in case he doesnt come to terms with the bike.



While I am not usually a big fan of dismissing rider injuries as excuses, given the pressure that is now on both Ducati and Rossi you may have made an accurate observation here. Ducati, Rossi, or both may be inclined to play the busted shoulder card to save face. (Disclaimer: no, I don't think Stoner used his sickness as an excuse. Yes, I am being hypocrite)
 
Where are the Hayden boppers when I want them
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We are here, we are just quietly sitting back and waiting.

DePuniet isn't a bad choice for top Duc point getter at the beginning of the season, his wild style lends itself to the Duc's quirks. RDP simply needs to keep it rubber side down and the results will be there. Hayden Bopper Glasses On I think if Ducati do in fact solve the front end issue and start getting heat into the tire we could see Nick at the pointy end fighting for podiums every race. Look at Nicky's 2010 season and his results and crashes, he was obviously pushing the Duc hard to get results, so I think the fire still burns inside of Nicky. I said it before, those 4th place finishes and one podium he put up this year are impressive given the nature of the GP10. Hayden Bopper Glasses Off



Bring on Sepang!
 
We can only guess, none of us know or understand enough about all the things that are happening to make a reasonable prediction yet. My guess is Rossi will be ok, be top Ducati overall in 2011 and we'll talk about the effects of that shoulder more than we see them.
 
A lot will depend on whether all Ducati riders get the bikes with the complete list of Rossi specified modifications.

Certainly he and Burgess will be "developing" the bike race-by-race and chances are only Rossi and his tester

will benefit from said changes. Regardless of what is promoted by Ducati flacks - I will be taking any word

of Rossi's ailments with a pinch of salt - considering his apparent state of wellness on a snowbound kart track

and Ducati's permission for him to go snowboarding.
 
Agreed. Any realistic observer of motogp should not expect too much of Vale in the first half of the season. Nicky will be Ducatis spearhead in early 2011. Whats the betting he has more points at years end??





"Whats the betting he has more points at years end??"



About 1,000: 1 against





I do agree with the limited expectations early in the season and Rossi will have to exercise more personal discipline - cut out off MotoGP track risks and focus on Ducati
 
A lot will depend on whether all Ducati riders get the bikes with the complete list of Rossi specified modifications.

Certainly he and Burgess will be "developing" the bike race-by-race and chances are only Rossi and his tester

will benefit from said changes. Regardless of what is promoted by Ducati flacks - I will be taking any word

of Rossi's ailments with a pinch of salt - considering his apparent state of wellness on a snowbound kart track

and Ducati's permission for him to go snowboarding.

I actually believe that the factory duck squad looks the happiest in the paddock, Nicky and VR have done it all before In 03 and for both it will probably be the best working relationship that either has had for a number of years.
 

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