What does the future hold for Jack Miller?

danski · Sep 27, 2016

povol said:
I would not be surprised if he beat Rossi's records, but i wouldnt be surprised if he didnt. 3 titles in 4 years is the same record as Rossi and Rossi will have had more wins over that first 4 years. With the competition Marquez is facing, the numbers are no longer guaranteed. He could very well go on a run and win 4-5 more but that is going to be much harder than when Rossi did it, just like it was harder for Rossi than when Ago did it There are numbers in racing that will never be beat such as Richard Petty's 200 wins, but that doesnt mean he was better than Earhnhardt, Johnson, Gordon etc etc

Its still a toss up to me between Stoner and Marquez as the best GP rider i have ever seen.

I think in this case 'best' means most spectacular which I'd agree with. Best rider for me is based on total titles/wins/podiums and points over their gp career.

p4p1 · Sep 27, 2016

Daniboy said:
I think in this case 'best' means most spectacular which I'd agree with. Best rider for me is based on total titles/wins/podiums and points over their gp career.

No best is the best you've ever seen someone who rides better than anyone else. Greatest is when longevity and records come into it.

aaronl · Sep 27, 2016

Yes, hard to pick the best or greatest between Marquea and Stoner however you define it.

I'd think marquez would do well on a 500 too. He was born in the era of still growing up on 2T bikes.

There are young kids now riding crf150's for flat/dirt track and going straight to 250s and skipping two strokes all together. Junior road racing has up to 16 years old 4 stroke class etc and we have the 300cc class racing now

Most folks growing up would have raced 2 & 4 strokes, speedway, flat track, superbike, proddy classes, endurance rod racing and everything else.

15 years time we will have some kids that never raced 2 strokes at all

michaelm · Sep 27, 2016

aaronl said:
Yes, hard to pick the best or greatest between Marquea and Stoner however you define it.

MM is the greater, he will likely have 3/5 titles at the end of this season with many years to go in his career.

Which of them was better/faster at their peak (MM conceivably isn't there yet) is a different question; Mr Nakamoto himself said something along the lines of MM having faster reflexes, but Stoner being a genius on a bike.

povol · Sep 27, 2016

Daniboy said:
I think in this case 'best' means most spectacular which I'd agree with.iums Best rider for me is based on total titles/wins/pod and points over their gp career.

Agostini then.

aaronl · Sep 27, 2016

michaelm said:
MM is the greater, he will likely have 3/5 titles at the end of this season with many years to go in his career.

Which of them was better/faster at their peak (MM conceivably isn't there yet) is a different question; Mr Nakamoto himself said something along the lines of MM having faster reflexes, but Stoner being a genius on a bike.

marky mark will definitely get the most in terms of records.

But both so incredible on the bike, sit perfect, look perfect, have the speed and lack of fear.

Prior to the late 80's (I personally don't know before then, only started watching in 1990 but remember Gardeners title etc) but this feels like the best era since then. Level and number of talented riders is amazing

BarryMachine · Sep 27, 2016

Its still Stoner on skill.

The difference between Marquez and Stoner is:

The other day there was a video of Marquez coming into a corner all "squirelly", he got it under control then took the corner.
Stoner would come into the corner and use the "squirelliness" to some advantage when working out his exit from the corner.
Its something he got from Aus. Dirt track .... ie. Be squirelly but be consistent at it and use what you have.

Stoner is still the most talented, skilled, best, greatest ..... whatever you want to call it. He just wasnt a party pooper.

Gaz · Sep 27, 2016

michaelm said:
I don't think those riders would have been very troubled by off track "mind games" either.

I suspect that they would have relished them and repaid the favour ten fold to a somewhat unsuspecting VR.

However, different era and different riders does also make me think/wonder whether VR would have even tried the so called mind games as he does tend to target individuals, and well they were all a hard group back then.

Gaz · Sep 27, 2016

JPSLotus said:
Stoner had his elbow down before Marquez ever showed up.

IIRC, guys started prepping with the MX .... when they saw what Stoner was doing.

And Jean Phillipe Ruggia before Stoner

Gaz · Sep 27, 2016

BarryMachine said:
Stoner is still the most talented, skilled, best, greatest ..... whatever you want to call it. He just wasnt a party pooper.

Oh yes he was.

Reference 2007 (the redemption year) and 2011 (the prodigal son year)

AJV80 · Sep 27, 2016

Gaz said:
And Jean Phillipe Ruggia before Stoner

And Max Biaggi before Jean Ruggia.

Gaz · Sep 27, 2016

AJV80 said:
And Max Biaggi before Jean Ruggia.

Nope

Ruggia was doing it in 500cc before Biaggi had started in Grands Prix

As for elbox down on crashing, been happening since time immemorial

Richy56 · Sep 27, 2016

JPSLotus said:
Stoner had his elbow down before Marquez ever showed up.

IIRC, guys started prepping with the MX .... when they saw what Stoner was doing.

So did Lorenzo. In fact most did at that corner at Catalunya before Marquez

Marquezs style is still more radical again than stoners, his arse and body more off the seat. Stoners and Lorenzos style made Rossi change his, Marquez took it to another level.

You only need to watch stoner in testing, he looks more traditional than most now

AJV80 · Sep 27, 2016

Richy56 said:
So did Lorenzo. In fact most did at that corner at Catalunya before Marquez

Marquezs style is still more radical again than stoners, his arse and body more off the seat. Stoners and Lorenzos style made Rossi change his, Marquez took it to another level.

You only need to watch stoner in testing, he looks more traditional than most now

I wonder where it will all end, if they hang off any more than they do now, they'll have to get both legs on the same side of the bike.

Gaz · Sep 27, 2016

AJV80 said:
I wonder where it will all end, if they hang off any more than they do now, they'll have to get both legs on the same side of the bike.

It has been tried as a cornering aid .............. did not work to well apparently

Some dude called Rossi has even tried but an anti-wheelie failure occurred and he had to halt it.

Of course, there was also this from a year or two ago where he slipped and used his knees

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Barbedwirebikerr · Sep 28, 2016

AJV80 said:
I don't think the Yamaha or Honda factories will take him either tbh, not unless he pulls a rabbit out of the hat next season which is doubtful. What are your predictions for KTM's performance in 2018 and 2019?

I could be wrong with this but I was surprised they opted to use a trellis frame, didn't Ducati run a trellis frame which beared no fruit? I thought they scrapped it after struggling with it?

Ktm in 17-18.

Better than Aprilia. Consistently.

First year i can't see them keeping up with the likes of miller on the vds spec rcv. The following year, i expect some top tens possibly, a few 4-5thd row grid starts.

KTM historically have done well racing motorcycles. I believe, but am not sure they were involved in the Kenny roberts proton team. This didn't go well.

This time it is ktm alone. Not a partnership or engineering agreement.

Maybe it's wishful thinking on my part.

2019 they be level with ducati - suzuki of the present time. Fast at times, not a threat to the championship.

p4p1 · Sep 28, 2016

Barbedwirebikerr said:
Ktm in 17-18.

Better than Aprilia. Consistently.

First year i can't see them keeping up with the likes of miller on the vds spec rcv. The following year, i expect some top tens possibly, a few 4-5thd row grid starts.

KTM historically have done well racing motorcycles. I believe, but am not sure they were involved in the Kenny roberts proton team. This didn't go well.

This time it is ktm alone. Not a partnership or engineering agreement.

Maybe it's wishful thinking on my part.

2019 they be level with ducati - suzuki of the present time. Fast at times, not a threat to the championship.

Not if they don't get new riders, Im not sure that Pol and Smith are at the talent level to achieve the results you're talking about.

AJV80 · Sep 28, 2016

p4p1 said:
Not if they don't get new riders, Im not sure that Pol and Smith are at the talent level to achieve the results you're talking about.

What KTM really need to do is get a great rider like a Marquez, he would be competitive on any bike and in any series.

Gaz · Sep 28, 2016

Marquez undergoing a 'secret' test for his 4 wheel racing debut which should prove he can win on anything

yamfan · Sep 28, 2016

Gaz said:
Marquez undergoing a 'secret' test for his 4 wheel racing debut which should prove he can win on anything

Does Rossi have one consisting of a pushchair chassis? I'm sure he's got a supply of dummies to spit and teddies to throw at Marquez and Lorenzo...

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