What awaits Stoner at Respol Honda

Talpa said:

It like saying that VR is going to walk in and consistently win races for Ducati, as there current rider (s) aren't. And of course using your rather bias logic above, Rossi's record in the premier class..............

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michaelm said:

As you know I quite often do this for fun, as do you, but my main point was actually that using the same arguments you advance concerning rossi v stoner dani loses. In particular in regard to your attitude to stoner's injuries and illnesses where you said these in no way could be used as arguments as to why his 4th place in the championship last year did not reflect his true status (with which I agree btw) I am surprised you have advanced such an argument on dani's behalf. If you don't want to count 2007 for stoner I will discount 2006 and 2010 for dani; in 2006 he clearly had a better bike than stoner, and I think the argument for him having a better bike than stoner in 2010 is at least as strong as stoner having a better bike than him in 2007. The other problem is that whilst both are too affected by injuries and illnesses to be considered reliable, stoner has had 3 unaffected seasons ( including thus far in 2010 anyway touching wood) to dani's 1, his first. And that is a real problem for dani, he seems to get major injuries when he crashes unfortunately, stoner at least seems to bounce better.



In regard to rossi his overall record is incompable, and he is obviously arithmetically considerably better than mick doohan let alone casey stoner. Comparing the years where they have actually raced each other, given that these are the only races where stoner had a chance to beat him, the wins are 26:22 in rossi's favour, not an overwhelming margin, but more crucially 2 championships to one, which obviously still gives rossi the edge, at least until casey wins the 2011 championship. Now that I think of it, i would not use this line of argument if I were you as it may make jorge better than valentino by year's end in their personal competition.



All jokes aside, I think honda hired stoner because dani has never put a season together as tom says, whilst stoner has at least done it once. Before dani's crash, and particularly prior to aragon when dani had 4 wins to casey's none , honda may have shared your opinion regarding next year.

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michaelm said:

As you know I quite often do this for fun, as do you, but my main point was actually that using the same arguments you advance concerning rossi v stoner dani loses. In particular in regard to your attitude to stoner's injuries and illnesses where you said these in no way could be used as arguments as to why his 4th place in the championship last year did not reflect his true status (with which I agree btw) I am surprised you have advanced such an argument on dani's behalf. If you don't want to count 2007 for stoner I will discount 2006 and 2010 for dani; in 2006 he clearly had a better bike than stoner, and I think the argument for him having a better bike than stoner in 2010 is at least as strong as stoner having a better bike than him in 2007. The other problem is that whilst both are too affected by injuries and illnesses to be considered reliable, stoner has had 3 unaffected seasons ( including thus far in 2010 anyway touching wood) to dani's 1, his first. And that is a real problem for dani, he seems to get major injuries when he crashes unfortunately, stoner at least seems to bounce better.



In regard to rossi his overall record is incomparable, and he is obviously arithmetically considerably better than mick doohan let alone casey stoner. Comparing the years where they have actually raced each other though, given that these are the only races where stoner had a chance to beat him, the wins are 25:22 in rossi's favour, not an overwhelming margin, but more crucially 2 championships to one, which obviously still gives rossi the edge, at least until casey wins the 2011 championship

. Now that I think of it, i would not use this line of argument if I were you as it may make jorge better than valentino by year's end in their personal competition.



All jokes aside, I think honda hired stoner because dani has never put a season together as tom says, whilst stoner has at least done it once. Before dani's crash, and particularly prior to aragon when dani had 4 wins to casey's none, honda may have shared your opinion regarding next year.



(EDIT Jorge actually needs to win all 4 remaining races to be valentino's equal by season's end, and obviously valentino will still have 2 world championships to 1.)

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Talpa said:

Fair enough, thankfully you are here to balance out the rubbish from the ridiculously-bias-patriarchal yanks who can't somehow seem to see or acknowledge reason........but that's not unusual....

Back to Dani and Stoner, ok lets just cut the crap and not remove any season form 2001 until now, otherwise bias is apparent, for I feel that some are being utter ridiculous by claiming that Stoner is in a different league to Dan, no doubt spourned from a deep seeded hatred born about four years ago now. So here are some insightful, unemotional statistics-which do not lie-unless of course ones judgment is impaired by preference.





Dani



2001 to present (including 2006

when he was on that wonderfully superior bike and tyres)

160 race starts

35 wins, 88 podiums, 35 pole positions, 3 World Championships



Win/Start Ratio 1 : 4.57

Podium/Start Ratio 1 : 1.81



Stoner



2001 to present (including 2007

when he was on that wonderfully superior bike and tyres)



140 race starts

29 wins, 61 podiums, 24 pole positions, 1 world championship



Win/Start ratio 1 : 4.82

Podium/Start Ratio 1 : 2.29







Actually the two are quite similar, with Dani getting the edge in every department across all classes on four different bikes, despite his fragility which is so obviously affecting him far more than the one with lactose intolerance

. Dani is about to finish top three in the last four years of Motogp, hardly an underachiever not worthy of being spoken of in the same context as the almighty Casey.

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