Vinales Suspended By Yamaha For Red Bull Ring 2

busted. I hope he is done.

Gaz said:

Hmmm, the video is interesting

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My bad gaz beat me to it. Just hit the ling to youtube.

It never occurred to Mav that the sound of his M1 redlining was the sound of his career ending. That's what happens your decisions are based on emotions.

moto vudu said:

It never occurred to Mav that the sound of his M1 redlining was the sound of his career ending. That's what happens your decisions are based on emotions.

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Did he forget they have cameras?

MdubSTYLIE said:

busted. I hope he is done.

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Yep, absolutely no excuses.

I mean, after crossing the line he looks back at T3 (he did this in the race proper) but the following looks he does behind and then the actions are damning.

I genuinely do not know if he was trying to hold it pinned as he could easily have done the baby John and done it till it popped, and surely with telemetry it all would have been obvious.

To me, and I mean this genuinely, to do it knowing cameras, officials, telemetry and what not shows either a total idiot or a messed up mind, and I mean that is a not thinking clearly way.

To me, the dude needs help pshycologically as they are not the actions of someone operating at full capacity

Gaz said:

Yep, absolutely no excuses.

I mean, after crossing the line he looks back at T3 (he did this in the race proper) but the following looks he does behind and then the actions are damning.

I genuinely do not know if he was trying to hold it pinned as he could easily have done the baby John and done it till it popped, and surely with telemetry it all would have been obvious.

To me, and I mean this genuinely, to do it knowing cameras, officials, telemetry and what not shows either a total idiot or a messed up mind, and I mean that is a not thinking clearly way.

To me, the dude needs help pshycologically as they are not the actions of someone operating at full capacity

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We are talking about a rider who once kicked his faring so hard he broke it, left the race circuit because his bike wasn't capable of winning. He did this in pit lane. That is insane, it is obvious he wanted people to hear it, to see it. He want to get sacked and play the poor me card. I didn't work for him this time. You are right he needs some help and a couple years away to see how good he had it. He has a track record of not thinking clearly.

Vinales basically pulled a John Kocinski almost 30 years later. Kocinski grenaded his engine on the Suzuki RGV250 on purpose and then signed the Cagiva deal because he was persona non grata with the Japanese factories after he pulled that move.

MdubSTYLIE said:

Did he forget they have cameras?

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I think he's so much into the red mist at this point that he wouldn't have given a .... if the Yamaha President himself was on the back of the M1 at that point. Telemetry data was going to reveal everything even if there weren't multiple cameras on the bikes.

JPSLotus said:

I think he's so much into the red mist at this point that he wouldn't have given a .... if the Yamaha President himself was on the back of the M1 at that point. Telemetry data was going to reveal everything even if there weren't multiple cameras on the bikes.

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I think thats what he wanted. He wanted everyone to see and hear. I mean he was doing it in pit lane. Thinking he could get out of the job for his new one. I really hope i the Kocinski doesnt work for him.

http://motogpforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12875&stc=1&d=1628859165

Mav watching his career fly by this morning.

JPSLotus said:

I think he's so much into the red mist at this point that he wouldn't have given a .... if the Yamaha President himself was on the back of the M1 at that point. Telemetry data was going to reveal everything even if there weren't multiple cameras on the bikes.

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I was reading an article lately about how an alarmingly large number of people these days think/react with their emotions rather than logic. They need instant gratification and need to react to something immediately based on emotions without thinking out the consequences of their actions, just like a child. They cited an example of a woman who got dumped by her boyfriend, so she broke his car window, poured a load of petrol in there and set it on fire. The problem is it set most other cars in the parking lot on fire and so she ended up doing serious jail time, all because her feelings got hurt.

As you say, Vinales wants out and was just giving them a reason to boot him. What a mess to end up in, and I suspect if he is on the Aprilia next yr, or unemployed, he's going to realise what he threw away.

MdubSTYLIE said:

I think thats what he wanted. He wanted everyone to see and hear. I mean he was doing it in pit lane. Thinking he could get out of the job for his new one. I really hope i the Kocinski doesnt work for him.

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I hope not either. You shouldn't be rewarded for throwing a .... fit.

Why couldn't he just take a lesson from how Zarco split from KTM? He didn't like the bike at all and determined he was better off to leave. I find that commendable to know you're not going to get anywhere with the bike so you try to come to mutual closure.

I actually hope Vinales never rides in GP again personally. I have not liked anything out of him since 2017.

#22 said:

I was reading an article lately about how an alarmingly large number of people these days think/react with their emotions rather than logic. They need instant gratification and need to react to something immediately based on emotions without thinking out the consequences of their actions, just like a child. They cited an example of a woman who got dumped by her boyfriend, so she broke his car window, poured a load of petrol in there and set it on fire. The problem is it set most other cars in the parking lot on fire and so she ended up doing serious jail time, all because her feelings got hurt.

As you say, Vinales wants out and was just giving them a reason to boot him. What a mess to end up in, and I suspect if he is on the Aprilia next yr, or unemployed, he's going to realise what he threw away.

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I think its the social media effect.

Social media encourages everyone to have an instant reaction at that given moment when they read, look at, or view something. There's no moment of reflection, it's just whatever comes to mind, that is what comes out. People think there's no consequences there so why would there be in the real world?

His desperation to get out of Yamaha was foolish, he was going to be gone after Valencia anyhow. Just get out there, figure out how you can finish high in the standings at each race and close the chapter on a good note.

Instead he's just like nah .... it, let's burn this bitch down.

JPSLotus said:

I hope not either. You shouldn't be rewarded for throwing a .... fit.

Why couldn't he just take a lesson from how Zarco split from KTM? He didn't like the bike at all and determined he was better off to leave. I find that commendable to know you're not going to get anywhere with the bike so you try to come to mutual closure.

I actually hope Vinales never rides in GP again personally. I have not liked anything out of him since 2017.

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He was just starting to grow on me. I haven't like him since he quit on his 125 team to join a better one. After the first race of the season I thought, okay I'm ready to give him another chance and root for him. He reminded me of his true colors the last few weeks. Leaving yamaha and expecting better performance on Aprilia seems a little crazy to me. I doubt he'd ever beat Esparagaro anyway. Whats he going to do then? No matter what his career is nearing an end.

MdubSTYLIE said:

He was just starting to grow on me. I haven't like him since he quit on his 125 team to join a better one. After the first race of the season I thought, okay I'm ready to give him another chance and root for him. He reminded me of his true colors the last few weeks. Leaving yamaha and expecting better performance on Aprilia seems a little crazy to me. I doubt he'd ever beat Esparagaro anyway. Whats he going to do then? No matter what his career is nearing an end.

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The last few weeks I realized there was no way I could ever support a rider that ....... and moans to the extent he does. They all complain, I get it. How he was complaining, and what he was saying, I kept thinking to myself, how the .... does the team let this go on?

The Aprilia thing is laughable. The bike is obviously improved from last year, but I don't think he could be Aleix on that bike at this point.

I really think without any top rides in WSBK available, his only option is British Superbike. Or maybe he can drop down to Moto2 and relearn how to ride again or something.

JPSLotus said:

I think its the social media effect.

Social media encourages everyone to have an instant reaction at that given moment when they read, look at, or view something. There's no moment of reflection, it's just whatever comes to mind, that is what comes out. People think there's no consequences there so why would there be in the real world?

His desperation to get out of Yamaha was foolish, he was going to be gone after Valencia anyhow. Just get out there, figure out how you can finish high in the standings at each race and close the chapter on a good note.

Instead he's just like nah .... it, let's burn this bitch down.

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Agree on the social media effect.

Not sue about US or Europe but in Oz, if you have an Instagram, Youtube or that style of presence they call you a star and you demand start treatment, and what is sadder you often get it. So many people do not know work, never mind hard work and never mind being highly paid to perform hard work - it is all me, me, me.

Actually JPS, I do like that analogy ............... social media

He tried by all means and it would appear resorted to the Kocinski method.

Now, something I do also want to add here is good on Yamaha for that press release as it was obvious from that wording that there was a significant behavioural issue, plus it alludes to other occasions. Then also good on MotoGP for releasing that footage as well.

Gaz said:

Agree on the social media effect.

Not sue about US or Europe but in Oz, if you have an Instagram, Youtube or that style of presence they call you a star and you demand start treatment, and what is sadder you often get it. So many people do not know work, never mind hard work and never mind being highly paid to perform hard work - it is all me, me, me.

Actually JPS, I do like that analogy ............... social media

He tried by all means and it would appear resorted to the Kocinski method.

Now, something I do also want to add here is good on Yamaha for that press release as it was obvious from that wording that there was a significant behavioural issue, plus it alludes to other occasions. Then also good on MotoGP for releasing that footage as well.

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Sure, as has been said he had 2 options other than throwing his toys out of the pram, to do what Zarco did with KTM if it really was totally intolerable for him to last the remainder of the season, or to just do the best he could for the last few races and wait until after that to say or do what he wanted to say or do, obviously not including grenading or attempting to grenade the engines of any bikes belonging to any team. I didn't realise he hadn't served out a contact in the 125s as well as with Suzuki in motogp either, which makes him pretty much a serial offender in this regard.

I don't think you can exonerate whoever is running or not running Yamaha's motogp efforts though. 2 of the 3 other riders riding Yamahas seem to be currently disgruntled, and the 4th had that bizarre suit incident although I guess the benefit of the doubt applies and that incident can be explained as being due to a strange accident, their all time shining star and greatest title winner has defected to Ducati despite his dismal experience there as a rider, their satellite team has lost their major sponsor, and the winner of the 3 most recent titles won by a Yamaha rider and equal second in career titles won also appears to be alienated from Yamaha in retirement and similarly to Vinales found it intolerable to stay with Yamaha when he was a rider although he was rather less petulant about same.

And Miller's take - interesting mention of 'you are not here to be an influencer' given the social media discussion

Note that paragraphs 1 and 3 are the journo questions

Gaz said:

And Miller's take - interesting mention of 'you are not here to be an influencer' given the social media discussion

Note that paragraphs 1 and 3 are the journo questions

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Saw that. Similar to something Ant West said years ago.

John Kociniski gave a response on facebook.

A lot has been said in the Motogp media this week, comparing Maverick Vinales incident to the 1993 250cc Suzuki incident, for the record in Assen 1993, On the cool down lap, the countershaft sprocket fell off which made the chain come off, the engine was immediately tuned off by the kill switch hoping the rear wheel wouldn't lock up. got the bike off to the side of the track and parked it. That is what really happened!

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