And I would agree with you.
If Dorna is going to let Rossi call the shots then that's Dorna's fault/problem.
And agree with you on not a lot of loyalty being shown, although during silly season it seems it's par for the course.
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And I would agree with you.
If Dorna is going to let Rossi call the shots then that's Dorna's fault/problem.
And agree with you on not a lot of loyalty being shown, although during silly season it seems it's par for the course.
First to the disclaimer so as not to upset flaccids.
This is not an anti-Rossi commentary on the rumoured situation and should not be read in any was a personal attack on Rossi or his integrity.
Now that out of the way, onto the topic.
1. Firstly, for mine if Rossi has initiated any 'clandestine' meetings with Marlboro than I see that as disrespectful of his current employer in Ducati and the new parent company of Audi. I do not have any issue with Rossi speaking with other manufacturers as his contract is ending and he needs to assess his direction and best options.
2. If Marlboro have initiated the discussions with Rossi and Yamaha (and personally, given the way the Marlboro loudmouth carried on in 2009 I see this as a very plausible action to have been initiated by Marlboro) than that is extremely disrespectful to Ducati and by bringing Rossi into the picture I also feel it shows him disrespect (by way of Marlboro seeing him as a trading commodity)
3. If this is a DORNA led push (which one could right suspect that they have played a role and would encourage) then to me it shows how short sighted those behind the business are in terms of vision. Yes and has been pointed out already Rossi does bring fans and subsequent investment, but no business can survive in the longer term by placing all of their eggs into the one basket in the short term. In short, all good business need a long term business plan and with all due respect to him, Rossi is not a long term vision and so if DORNA are pumping this plan to the exclusion or detriment of other viable alternatives than it really does show the sad nature of the sport (business) today. DORNA must look beyond Rossi for the survival of the sport .............. simple. Yes ride the coat tails but look beyond to survive.
4. No doubt at all the Rossi is an extremely powerful figure within the sport as he brings with him a large fan base which subsequently brings dollar investment from sponsorships and further an increase in revenue to DORNA due to those sponsors wanting to partake as well as increase in TV right revenue. This is not Rossi's fault in any way as we all would love to be in a position whereby we have power such as his (implied power perhaps is a way to describe it) and no doubt we would exercise it to our own benefit (as that is all Rossi should be concerned about ............... himself).
5. And now a tip, Rossi and Crazy Joe in 2 rider team.
This is not an anti-Rossi commentary on the rumoured situation and should not be read in any was a personal attack on Rossi or his integrity.
Now that out of the way, onto the topic.
1. Firstly, for mine if Rossi has initiated any 'clandestine' meetings with Marlboro than I see that as disrespectful of his current employer in Ducati and the new parent company of Audi. I do not have any issue with Rossi speaking with other manufacturers as his contract is ending and he needs to assess his direction and best options.
2. If Marlboro have initiated the discussions with Rossi and Yamaha (and personally, given the way the Marlboro loudmouth carried on in 2009 I see this as a very plausible action to have been initiated by Marlboro) than that is extremely disrespectful to Ducati and by bringing Rossi into the picture I also feel it shows him disrespect (by way of Marlboro seeing him as a trading commodity)
3. If this is a DORNA led push (which one could right suspect that they have played a role and would encourage) then to me it shows how short sighted those behind the business are in terms of vision. Yes and has been pointed out already Rossi does bring fans and subsequent investment, but no business can survive in the longer term by placing all of their eggs into the one basket in the short term. In short, all good business need a long term business plan and with all due respect to him, Rossi is not a long term vision and so if DORNA are pumping this plan to the exclusion or detriment of other viable alternatives than it really does show the sad nature of the sport (business) today. DORNA must look beyond Rossi for the survival of the sport .............. simple. Yes ride the coat tails but look beyond to survive.
4. No doubt at all the Rossi is an extremely powerful figure within the sport as he brings with him a large fan base which subsequently brings dollar investment from sponsorships and further an increase in revenue to DORNA due to those sponsors wanting to partake as well as increase in TV right revenue. This is not Rossi's fault in any way as we all would love to be in a position whereby we have power such as his (implied power perhaps is a way to describe it) and no doubt we would exercise it to our own benefit (as that is all Rossi should be concerned about ............... himself).
5. And now a tip, Rossi and Crazy Joe in 2 rider team.
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FYI, currently Audi managers have stepped in and are bypassing Ducati Corse managers (i.e. Filippo Preziosi and Claudio Domenicali) for all contracts and restructuring plans related to Ducati Corse.
They are talking directly to Rossi and to Marlboro (Maurizio Arrivabene), and any meeting between Rossi and Arrivabene certainly was with Audi's knowledge and approval.
It is Audi who have frozen Crutchlow's contract (a contact that had been initiated by the managers who are now being sidelined). Their priority is to keep the current riders, Hayden and (especially) Rossi.
Rossi certainly likes the new approach of the Audi men, but for him it is a matter of trusting that there will be a competitive Ducati in 2013; that is something nobody can guarantee him, so it is very much his choice (and gamble) now.
They are talking directly to Rossi and to Marlboro (Maurizio Arrivabene), and any meeting between Rossi and Arrivabene certainly was with Audi's knowledge and approval.
It is Audi who have frozen Crutchlow's contract (a contact that had been initiated by the managers who are now being sidelined). Their priority is to keep the current riders, Hayden and (especially) Rossi.
Rossi certainly likes the new approach of the Audi men, but for him it is a matter of trusting that there will be a competitive Ducati in 2013; that is something nobody can guarantee him, so it is very much his choice (and gamble) now.
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Excellent fair and balanced post.
My only comment is on point 3. I own a small business and you better believe I have both short and long term plans going at the same time, I expect Dorna to be doing the same. Rossi on competitive machinery to help transition to the future of MM vs. JL vs. Etc.
Oh and Crazy Joe and Rossi would be awesome !!
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Parece que Yamaha está presionando a Rossi para que decida en Laguna. Opción Honda es poco probable. ¿Yam o Ducati? Hay menos riesgo en Yam. -- Dennis Noyes (@DennisNoyes)
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That doesn't sound implausible but without giving us some source information, there's little value to what you've posted.
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.... them bro they should learn Spanish
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Thanks mate
Absolutely right in that a business should have both short and longer term goals (I have managed a few small businesses and it is a crucial aspect to have both) but no small business places all of their future onto the one product (let us treat Rossi as the product) and should always keeps some in reserve for the longer term goal.
My outright fear is that DORNA are that short sighted that they are blinded to what will happen when Rossi leaves the sport in 3- 5 years time (as that is how long he will likely need to stay around for DORNA to recoup on investment because as has been said, there really is no up and coming master media player that is 'loveable by all'.
I have no problems at all with Rossi doing what is best for him and personally I woudl encourage him (and would take ap ercentage if offered
Thanks mate
Absolutely right in that a business should have both short and longer term goals (I have managed a few small businesses and it is a crucial aspect to have both) but no small business places all of their future onto the one product (let us treat Rossi as the product) and should always keeps some in reserve for the longer term goal.
My outright fear is that DORNA are that short sighted that they are blinded to what will happen when Rossi leaves the sport in 3- 5 years time (as that is how long he will likely need to stay around for DORNA to recoup on investment because as has been said, there really is no up and coming master media player that is 'loveable by all'.
I have no problems at all with Rossi doing what is best for him and personally I woudl encourage him (and would take ap ercentage if offered) but DORNA need to start cutting the umbilical cord that they have attached to Rossi and instead look at developing or opening new markets
Couldnt agree more with the cutting of the cord but id still rather see all the money that will be involved in putting Rossi on a competative bike used to put the top 5 from m2 and Cal,Hector and Stefan on top kit,thats investing in the future.
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Thanks mate
Absolutely right in that a business should have both short and longer term goals (I have managed a few small businesses and it is a crucial aspect to have both) but no small business places all of their future onto the one product (let us treat Rossi as the product) and should always keeps some in reserve for the longer term goal.
My outright fear is that DORNA are that short sighted that they are blinded to what will happen when Rossi leaves the sport in 3- 5 years time (as that is how long he will likely need to stay around for DORNA to recoup on investment because as has been said, there really is no up and coming master media player that is 'loveable by all'.
I have no problems at all with Rossi doing what is best for him and personally I woudl encourage him (and would take ap ercentage if offered) but DORNA need to start cutting the umbilical cord that they have attached to Rossi and instead look at developing or opening new markets
I think it's going in the right direction, Dorna can't create another Rossi or control what the fans like in a rider's personality, but they have retaken the rule book and weakened the factories negotiating abilities. They have also stopped subsidizing the factories, ultimately the only thing they can do is try to make the racing more competitive by controlling the technical rules themselves. The switch to 1000s was only the first step, and the proof is out there that Dorna have been talking to Suzuki and BMW so that GP can be a series for all.
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What money ?
Repsol and HRC are spending their money on Pedro bot and MM, the rookie rule was tossed aside by who to allow this.
Yamaha have Lorenzo and BS with the possibility of VR being put on the factory squad next year, is this for a title sponsor $$$$ is BS seat being paid for by Yamaha USA
There are all the competitive seats in GP, we would all love for there to be more "top kit" but the money you speak of doesn't exist to put Cal, Barbera, or Stefan on top kit. If the money doesn't exist wouldn't you agree that Dorna making GP cheaper is a step in the right direction to you seeing more "top kit".
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If an information has not been published, there cannot be any public media sources. Its only value is if it proves to be correct.
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I think the motogp machine just needs a kickstart to get the wheels turning. Its become stagnant and needs a stimulus. A one off subsidy to get 12 riders on decent spec machines. If that creates better racing and the likes of Cal, Hector, Dovi, Bradl, Rossi, Hayden, Bautista are all riding for podiums and wins then sponsorship options increase dramatically.To me Bradl has shown he's good enough to potentially be a winner because he's in a similar position that Stoner was in for 2006 and getting about the same results on the LCR.
Who knows the whole thing could snowball into a decent competition, with sponsors fighting for a piece of the action.
See j4rno's later post. The only value is if he is proved correct as he says, but on past history he often is correct about matters italian pertaining to motogp and obviously has had inside information. Just be glad he posts on here.
