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Okay a quick question about the numbering of the riders, I notice they don't run from like 1-24 etc. in numerical order, so do they get to keep their own number each year? Do they choose their own number? I assume the World Champion always has the number 1 though or am I wrong? Casey Stoner has it now and I know he was champ in 2011.



Thanks to anyone who can save me spending ages to try and find that out via google.

There is no obligation to use the number 1 plate and superstition often governs choice or retention of a number. There was a guy who insisted on using 46 even though he bagged the odd world title along the way. Numbers are allocated through riders requests if available and some will keep the same plate throughout their career. Troy Bayliss used to race under No.21 in superbikes and reversed this to 12 when he arrived in Moto GP because 21 was already in use by John Hopkins.



Some numbers are synonymous with certain riders - for example the number 7 was retired in honour of Barry Sheene (no one told Carlos Checa). 65 was used by Loris Capirossi but more significantly now a incredibly talented and skillful rider called Johnny Rea who I may or may not have already mentioned in passing.
 
Angel, the 46 used in GP title years was used as type of billboard, not superstition. The message was, "look at me." The 65 currently being used in Wsbk is also a type of billboard, the message, "look out for me."
 
Thanks for explaining that to me, makes more sense now
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I do recall Barry Sheene used to ride number 7, what a rider he as. I know as I type this that ages me though!



Did they retire the number from Simoncelli after that awful and tragic accident last year?
 
Did they retire the number from Simoncelli after that awful and tragic accident last year?

Not sure whether this has happened - despite Dorna being petitioned to do so. I know that both 74 and 48 have both been retired out of respect for Daijiro Kato and Shoya Tomizawa so you would think so. Someone on here will definitely know.



The 34 plate is also retired because NO ONE will ever ride a bike again in quite the same inimitable style as Schwantz!!
 
If they keep the same numbers every year it makes it easier on the fans I imagine. In F1 it changes every year so when they say a car number you can't always be sure how is driving. This way is much better.



I assume all numbers are no more than two digits, if they retire too many they'll run out in the end.



BTW Arrabbiaita who was it you mentioned again? You might have mentioned it once or 26 times already
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I assume all numbers are no more than two digits, if they retire too many they'll run out in the end.



Nah, the FIM just carry on counting, but I haven't seen any four-digit numbers yet... racing numbers are allocated annually before the beginning of the season. Only 'retired' numbers are unavailable. If a rider wants number 7, for example, he must get the assent of the rider who came seventh in the previous season (or the team if the rider has retired/not competing).



Aaron slight rode 111 for most, if not all, of his WSBK career, IIRC.



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My last number was 68 - ("You do me, darlin, and I'll owe you one"
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) - but it had nothing to do with my performance... I think I was 23rd the previous year (out of 27!!!).
 
A more comprehensive answer to rider numbers from Motomatters.com:



Each rider accepted for the Championship will be allocated a specific starting number which will be valid for the whole Championship. In general, the starting numbers will be based on the results of the team riders in the previous year's Championship or in other similar events.

So, for example, for 2008, this means that Casey Stoner has the right to display number 1, Dani Pedrosa has the right to display number 2, Valentino Rossi has the right to display number 3, John Hopkins has the right to display number 4, Marco Melandri has the right to display number 5, and so on down the list.



There are a few factors which make using this numbering scheme difficult to operate.



The first is that riders are superstitious. I'm sure you will have noticed that lots of riders have special rituals before they race, such as only getting on the bike from the left-hand side, or lucky colors. They also have lucky numbers, and so when given a choice, the always want to use a particular number. Valentino Rossi is the most famous of these, as he has always used the number 46, even when he was champion and allowed to carry the number 1 plate. But many others have similar superstitions: John Hopkins always wants to keep number 21, Marco Melandri wants number 33.



Of course, this causes problems when it comes to popular numbers, the most difficult of all being number 7, which is a lucky number in a lot of countries. Chris Vermeulen always had a 7 in his number, but really wanted number 7, both as a lucky number, and as a tribute to his friend and mentor Barry Sheene, whose number it used to be. But Carlos Checa had number 7, and so Vermeulen had to wait until Checa left MotoGP before he could take the number 7 plate.



In 2008, Casey Stoner took the number 1 plate, as he finished as champion. But Stoner only took the number after coming under pressure from Ducati, as he really wanted to keep the number he has always raced with, number 27. On the other hand, Dani Pedrosa swapped his regular number, 26, for the number 2 plate, to underline the fact that he finished 2nd in the championship in 2007.



The second reason is one of marketing. Riders become associated with numbers, and therefore all of their merchandising such as t-shirts, caps, badges, stickers, bags etc etc has their race number on, for their fans to identify with. It becomes so important to riders, their teams and their managers, that they are reluctant to take a different number.



There is also a difficulty for riders coming in from other series. In 2007, both Jorge Lorenzo and James Toseland won the world championship in their respective series, and so both have a claim to a number 1 plate. But as they are not champions in MotoGP, and as the champion is already carrying the number 1 plate, they have had to revert to their previous favorite numbers, 48 for Lorenzo and 52 for Toseland.



Finally, one number has been retired and is no longer available. Number 34, which belongs to Kevin Schwantz has been retired, as a mark of respect for Schwantz by the FIM.
 
I assume all numbers are no more than two digits, if they retire too many they'll run out in the end.



BTW Arrabbiaita who was it you mentioned again? You might have mentioned it once or 26 times already
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A well known American rider runs 155 - and if you think my props for Rea are insufferable get Johnny Knockdown on all things 'Bostrum' and watch as 'fanboyism' catapults into another dimension.
 
A well known American rider runs 155 - and if you think my props for Rea are insufferable get Johnny Knockdown on all things 'Bostrum' and watch as 'fanboyism' catapults into another dimension.



Now where did I say you were insufferable? I was teasing you dear, playing with you, yanking your chain, whichever you prefer. If I offended you with my comment I am big enough to apologise for doing so, I'm sorry. We good?
 
Not sure whether this has happened - despite Dorna being petitioned to do so. I know that both 74 and 48 have both been retired out of respect for Daijiro Kato and Shoya Tomizawa so you would think so. Someone on here will definitely know.



The 34 plate is also retired because NO ONE will ever ride a bike again in quite the same inimitable style as Schwantz!!



Ah .... good ole Kevin ....... buggered if I know why you like him though!!??



Kevin Shwantz .......

&ldquo;Even if you&rsquo;re going to have to go off-line to pass somebody, you really need to have good braking reference points,&rdquo; explains Schwantz in the attached video. &ldquo;You also have to be really smooth in your transition off of the brakes. For me it was always one or two fingers and just the front brake, I never used the rear brake at all.&rdquo; ......... wtf!!?? Arab !! do you realise what that implies!!??

http://www.motogp.co... Kevin Schwantz



enjoy ...
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but no need to burst a vessel over ti
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Ah .... good ole Kevin ....... buggered if I know why you like him though!!??



Kevin Shwantz .......

“Even if you’re going to have to go off-line to pass somebody, you really need to have good braking reference points,†explains Schwantz in the attached video. “You also have to be really smooth in your transition off of the brakes. For me it was always one or two fingers and just the front brake, I never used the rear brake at all.†......... wtf!!?? Arab !! do you realise what that implies!!??

http://www.motogp.co... Kevin Schwantz



enjoy ...
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It implies that if he used the back brake like Doohan he would have more than one gifted WC....
 
A well known American rider runs 155 - and if you think my props for Rea are insufferable get Johnny Knockdown on all things 'Bostrum' and watch as 'fanboyism' catapults into another dimension.



Ben Bostrum runs the 23, because of an insufferable rules change. The 23, ref to the team owner, Michael Jordan.



Regarding the other dimension. I can attest, the only reason u mere mortal cannot see the ongoing thread titled: Ben Bostrum man crush, of which Knockdown is the sole contributor; is because, well, frankly, u are mere mortals. It is rumored to have already accumulated several pages and hundreds of posts. I saw it once, but i was blinded for exactly 155 hours.
 
Another quick question, I will seriously stop asking when I have learnt all this stuff, honest.



In F1 when there is an incident they can't clear under waved yellows there is a safety car. Do they have anything similar in motogp or do they red flag it and do a restart?



I'm just curious about this stuff, I'll know more after this weekend. My first full live race and I can't wait!!!!
 
no worries about asking questions!

usually the red flag comes out,you got that right
 
Ah .... good ole Kevin ....... buggered if I know why you like him though!!??



Kevin Shwantz .......

&ldquo;Even if you&rsquo;re going to have to go off-line to pass somebody, you really need to have good braking reference points,&rdquo; explains Schwantz in the attached video. &ldquo;You also have to be really smooth in your transition off of the brakes. For me it was always one or two fingers and just the front brake, I never used the rear brake at all.&rdquo; ......... wtf!!?? Arab !! do you realise what that implies!!??

http://www.motogp.co... Kevin Schwantz



enjoy ...
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..yeah, merely what I've said all along, that some riders like Nicky and Casey elect to use the rear brake - while others do not. Furthermore when did you ever see Schwantz or any other riders of that golden era 'back in' a 500 when they were having so much fun powersliding?



I only use two finger braking when I ride and I seldom use the back brake either.
 
i guess the overtaking of rainey in hockenheim comes to mind, but even thats the almost exact same thing.



hard on the front brake so that the rear is fully unloaded,no need for engine or rear brake to make the bike step out if your backwheel is in the air anyways and you lean into a corner. if the rear wheel still has good contact to the ground you need to make the backwheel turn slower,which can be achieved by either engine brake or rear brake. body position makes the rear step out instead of the back wheel just turning slower wheels in line.

can we all agree on that?



cliché guevara - bridge builder
 
i guess the overtaking of rainey in hockenheim comes to mind, but even thats the almost exact same thing.



hard on the front brake so that the rear is fully unloaded,no need for engine or rear brake to make the bike step out if your backwheel is in the air anyways and you lean into a corner. if the rear wheel still has good contact to the ground you need to make the backwheel turn slower,which can be achieved by either engine brake or rear brake. body position makes the rear step out instead of the back wheel just turning slower wheels in line.

can we all agree on that?



cliché guevara - bridge builder



We always have - but the debate concerns what constitutes backing in as a generic term. The above is not 'backing in' so is superfluous to the debate - but it is an exceptionally skilled legitimate method harnessed by Gods such as Lawson and Schwantz. What I do dispute is that Barry or anyone else come to that is capable of 'routinely' accomplishing this on public roads.
 

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