Troy Bayliss to test Ducati GP9

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ May 15 2009, 01:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The truth is that Bayliss is a great SBK champ, but only a good MotoGP rider. That single win in Valencia 2006 remains an anomaly, his value in MotoGP has always been only slightly above average... Not to mention his age, the 6 moths of inactivity, the completely new bike, and the fact that of course he was not willing to risk a collar bone for a mere test.

Bayliss was only 2 tenths better than Guareschi in these tests, 1.2 seconds slower than Stoner 2008. My feeling is that if Ducati were looking for something in these tests, it didn't materialize.

Idea. Maybe Ducati should simply ask every rider in the circus to test their Desmosedici--every single rider in 125, 250 and also superbike. Gathering a humongous amount of useless data while really hoping to find by chance another Stoner...
That's what ive been saying but some peeps only remember valencia 06. Some need to remember that capi was right up his arse all the way through the race yet he doesnt get any kudo's for that race.

jumkie, you seem to remember the 990 duc as a far worse bike than it was. It had a few cooling issues early on but that was about it. it was a competitive factory bike. To say bayliss's 3rd's were like doing it on the KR is way off imo mate.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 15 2009, 02:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>J4, your post sounds way too dismissive.

Consider the machine, very experimental at the time. Its tantimount to having three podiums by something like the KR machine.

The Valencia win is perhaps one of the single most amazing feats achieved, a win at any MotoGP event is something to write home about, a win in a one-off race on a unique bike is frankly amazing!

Again, the prototype nature of the series is the most misunderstood aspect of the sport.




Really? Not impressive eh? Let me see, the Ducati 800 is by far the most unique and strange bike on the gird, they call on a retired guy to give it a go, and within a day of riding it he bests the regular test rider, and is within 1.2 of the freak Casey, and you're not impressed? That deserves a >>

What did you think, that he would match a rider that is the fastest on the grid in full swing of a title chase (which is the lap time you are comparing).

No way, the Ducati GP06 990 was a good bike on which Capirossi was able to fight for podiums and wins consistently against Rossi, Pedrosa and Hayden. If Sete had not sent Capirossi to the hospital that year, he would have been a serious title contender on that machine.

To put in perspective Bayliss' time you can compare his 1.51.2 to the 1.50.5 obtained by Gibernau with the GP08 last year during similar tests, on race tyres. After 2 years of inactivity, and with a bike that also he had never ridden before. If you see where is Sete now in MotoGP, you can have an idea of where Bayliss would be

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 15 2009, 02:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's what ive been saying but some peeps only remember valencia 06. Some need to remember that capi was right up his arse all the way through the race yet he doesnt get any kudo's for that race.
Capi had other victories on the Duc. No need to put too much focus on a second place finish, particularly when the winner's situation is far more interesting.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ May 15 2009, 04:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Capi had other victories on the Duc. No need to put too much focus on a second place finish, particularly when the winner's situation is far more interesting.
..wrong thread

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ May 15 2009, 04:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Capi had other victories on the Duc. No need to put too much focus on a second place finish, particularly when the winner's situation is far more interesting.
The point being capi gelled on the 990 like Bayliss but not so on the 800 so why expect Bayliss to be any good on the 800 ?

Bayliss wins in valencia and is imortilized yet capi came a very close second but is old and past it in the eyes of many here. Talk about your passport being a benefit

As i said, before i get flamed, i am a bayliss fan and respect his hugely , im just pointing out facts and being realistic.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 15 2009, 01:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The point being capi gelled on the 990 like Bayliss but not so on the 800 so why expect Bayliss to be any good on the 800 ?

Bayliss wins in valencia and is imortilized yet capi came a very close second but is old and past it in the eyes of many here. Talk about your passport being a benefit

As i said, before i get flamed, i am a bayliss fan and respect his hugely , im just pointing out facts and being realistic. Whether someone is "old and past it" or not has nothing to do with how they did in a race almost 3 years ago. People who have expressed or implied that belief have done so based on the events of the last couple of years. Bayliss had more success in his particular championship than Capi did in his over that time. People might be overvaluing a single race in Bayliss' (unique) situation, but that has nothing to do with them underestimating the guy who placed second. If anything, Capirossi's 2006 season's excellent performance (other than injury issues) is part of why some people may have written him off as his following results fell off quite a bit (but not nearly as anomalously as some people have claimed - capi+duc wasn't necessarily consistently successful for whatever reason).