Hey guys, there is an interview of him on gpone that I tried to google translate but it's still a little unclear. The part I'm most interested in is when he talks about the inverted "forks" I'm wondering if they meant swing arm and what they have planned for estoril. I'm sure it'll be put out in english later but the sooner the better right!
Translate a Vittoriano Guareschi interview for me.
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wait some time, all articles at gpone are later translated. this one will be translated very soon.
Will look forward to this translation because if they turn up at Estoril with a '2012' inverted swing arm it will be proof that they were not testing for 2012 at Jerez and that they were in fact CHEATING.
LMAO and if he wins with it some of your heads will explode. Hopefully we get a dry race so we can see if they're getting closer and if Danny is healed up.
Well no inverted swing arm but he does say the bike is getting easier to ride. Hopefully Nicky does good this weekend if the bike is getting better.
Is there any chance you will used parts from the 1000cc GP12 1000, like the inverted swingarm for example?
"Absolutely not. The chassis from the 1000 is completely different. Of the approximately 3200 part numbers, only around a hundred will be the shared."
I wonder if they stick with the carbon fiber chasis for the next era.
Is there any chance you will used parts from the 1000cc GP12 1000, like the inverted swingarm for example?
"Absolutely not. The chassis from the 1000 is completely different. Of the approximately 3200 part numbers, only around a hundred will be the shared."
I wonder if they stick with the carbon fiber chasis for the next era.
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if rossi idoes better this weekend it will be due to his shoulder improving.....
rossi and jb gave then a direction to go before the test, so if they turn up with something new you will all cry about it and say it was because of the test.
if i read correctly they wont be using it in estoril
And if he does bad it will because of the shoulder or the ducati. Will never be because the others rode better than him.
And if he does bad it will because of the shoulder or the ducati. Will never be because the others rode better than him.
Despite my recent annoyance with some rossi fans (jazkat not among them), rossi finishing 5th or 6th definitely does not reflect his talent and means there is something wrong, self-created by his decision to go to ducati though it may be.
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Unless Nicky Hayden wins with it -- then of course it'll be OK, -- after all, an inverted swingarm is just an inverted swingarm, a piece of aluminum, right... There's no 2011 or 2012 written on it... But if Rossi wins, then it must have been cheating! Nothing less.
My comment was in jest and I too largely hold Jazkat in high regard. However what you are saying is that no 4 or 5 riders can become better than Rossi. Well I simply can not agree with this. I think that there are already at least 2 riders equal to or better than Rossi. If you allowed those riders to develop the same number of years experience then I think it would be quite ignorant to suggest that 4 or 5 of the current crop could not develop into better riders than Rossi. It is also worth analysing whether there have been any riders with as much talent or more that have not shared the same results due to not having the same mouse trap. Rossi is now showing how talented he is without the best mouse trap. There have been many riders who have finished 6th and DNF'd because they do not have the best equipment but we will never know just how talented they are/were.
Who knows, but I rather doubt there are 4 or 5 riders who would finish better than 5th or 6th in a dry race on the current ducati.
I think it is valid to speculate that there are riders who never get a chance, or riders in gp racing who look like also-rans, who might be very good on competitive equipment. I think you are now over-egging the pudding the other way though, and rossi like everybody else can do no more than win, and for his enormous success to be engineered/contrived would require a conspiracy of truly vast and hence vanishingly improbable proportions. Apart from anything else he did manage to beat the rather good jorge lorenzo in a race last year after all his injuries when yamaha had no reason at all to favour him over jorge.
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Guareschi:
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"Absolutely not. The chassis from the 1000 is completely different. Of the approximately 3200 part numbers, only around a hundred will be the shared."
This is interesting -- the "completely different" chassis part I mean. I guessed that in order to use an inverted swingarm a different frame -- or rather 'more frame' in the case of the frameless Ducati -- is needed because the head of the shock absorber cannot be hinged into the swingarm itself as it is now.
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[font="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, sans-serif"]Is there any chance you will used parts from the 1000cc GP12 1000, like the inverted swingarm for example?<
"Absolutely not. The chassis from the 1000 is completely different. Of the approximately 3200 part numbers, only around a hundred will be the shared."
This is interesting -- the "completely different" chassis part I mean. I guessed that in order to use an inverted swingarm a different frame -- or rather 'more frame' in the case of the frameless Ducati -- is needed because the head of the shock absorber cannot be hinged into the swingarm itself as it is now.
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I am totally uninterested in speculation regarding theoretical advantages gained by rossi testing the 2012 ducati, but very interested in what the chassis design and engine design of the 2012 ducati will be, admittedly partly because it will justify casey stoner if they make significant changes
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Unless Nicky Hayden wins with it -- then of course it'll be OK, -- after all, an inverted swingarm is just an inverted swingarm, a piece of aluminum, right... There's no 2011 or 2012 written on it... But if Rossi wins, then it must have been cheating! Nothing less.
If Nicky wins - Jumkie and Curve will become altar boys.
I would never suggest that Rossi is a contrived champion. However, I do suggest that the mouse trap matters and if someone else had had the same ride, both politically and mechanically, then it is impossible to say that history would not look different to the way it does today. I do not need to tell you that the rather good Lorenzo beat him to a championship with just the SAME equipment. Imagine what he or others could possibly have done with better. Maybe we would be singing the praises of 7 times WC Marco Melandri/Alex Barros/Carlos Checa/...............
"Maybe we would be singing the praises of 7 times WC Marco Melandri/Alex Barros/Carlos Checa/............... "'
But we are not - because they didn't get equal or better equipment - and why not - maybe because nobody thought they deserved the "Best" or maybe because they were not able to play a significant role to develop it.........................
I do completely agree that the mousetrap matters and since they don't all start off being equal it's up to riders and teams to make some of them better than others. JB and VR indisputably did that at Yamaha - now we'll have to see if they can do it again at Ducati. Personally - I hope they can.
Concerning Nicky bringing in 1st place - I wish him lots of luck, but won't be holding my breath
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I am totally uninterested in speculation regarding theoretical advantages gained by rossi testing the 2012 ducati, but very interested in what the chassis design and engine design of the 2012 ducati will be, admittedly partly because it will justify casey stoner if they make significant changes.
I agree, but I do not think Casey needs that kind of justification -- it is now clear to everybody that he was the key of Ducati's success.
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Translation:
Absolutely not, we are done making Ducati's, we will now make Yamalentinos. Sure, its the direction Rossi has called for, but don't think we are doing it for him, we intend to move away from our design philosophy because we are tired of it.
Kesh, if Nicky wins may I dare suggest that Jums and Curve may be doing some cleaning up before visiting the keyboards
Joking guys
Gaz
