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Tomizawa was killed in a Moto2 event. Unless he age 60 years between Indy and Misano, he didn't pass away, and I wish Dorna would stop using euphemisms so conspicuously b/c it's worse for their image than stating the truth.
This is a terrible thing to happen and my condolences go out to his family and friends.
This is a terrible thing to happen and my condolences go out to his family and friends.
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R.I.P.
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This was a freak accident which could have happened anywhere. Horrific and sickening to watch. Very reminiscent of Daijiro seeing him dumped onto a stretcher, which they then proceeded to drop - blame the circuit for that. Unbelievably, like Kato's accident - yet again, no red flag.
Dire news following last weekend.
RIP.
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This is way too sad. Already been on the news over here in Japan.
R.I.P.
Wish I hadn't seen it live. I'm feeling pretty blue right now.
R.I.P.
Wish I hadn't seen it live. I'm feeling pretty blue right now.
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horrible horrible accident, what a shame..
RIP
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Ease up on the Marshalls folks, one of them just tripped whilst working hard in a life and death emergency situation, whilst trying to run through gravel. They were already working on him when he was on the stretcher, so I'd say they had other things on their minds than just running. The immediate thing would have been to get out of danger, and given it was in the middle of a race there is no guarantee that a bike might come around the corner at speed at any time, even if they managed to red flag it and stop all riders from entering the area.
Aweful news. Tomizawa will be sorely missed.
Aweful news. Tomizawa will be sorely missed.
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Totally agree Barry...then red flag the ...... and .... the TV schedules and the sponsors. Leave him where he is and treat him where he fell. Like I say - we saw this with Kato. The buck stops with race direction yet again, and the vile Paul Butler, who I noticed started talking and impatiently moving on before the minute silence was up for Peter Lenz.
Tomi shone this year - may he continue to do so.
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I don't think you got what I mean Arab. There are cases where the action needed is ".... it!! get him to a clinic!!!" ie, he already needed CPR etc, etc, etc, ...... in which case you have to forget about possible spine damage etc. ..... the priority is to get him to equipment that can support life for him, thats what they appeared to be doing, and doing frantically. I would not have liked to have been in their shoes for quids, would you?
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This is not a ....... battle field, the marshals should not have to move riders this badly hurt by stretcher. The race should have been red flagged immediately, a doctor should have treated him where he was, an ambulance put on the track to move him. This is just like what happen to Kato. Money over human life !
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Hmmmm? I think you guys just need to think about the incident and what you witnessed a bit more. To work on him where he was would have been the wrong thing, their was a doctor there who made the decision to get him to life support quickly, this action taking precedence over all the possible consequences of moving a patient ! Do you understand what I'm saying Rog.? Tomi was already gone ... they needed equipment fast to possibly reverse that situation, time is of the utmost essence in that situation, 30 seconds counts, to wait for an ambulance to get to him or to get him to the ambulance in the access road ...... that was the decision ...... nuf said?
They probably did a very good job, considering the situation, and at extreme risk to themselves.
They probably did a very good job, considering the situation, and at extreme risk to themselves.
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You dont know that ! This is racing, not a battle field with bullet flying. Red flag. To drag him off in such a hurry the stretcher got dropped is inexcusable. I want Buttlers resignation .
Extremely sad news today. For all, De Angeles, all riders and the track marshals. I imagine these marshals are volunteers with basic first aid/CPR training. If I recall, a fellow PS was a marshal at Laguna Seca. In a perfect racing circuit there could be 20 helicopters and proper professional crash medics at every corner ready to assist the possibility a multiple rider incident . I am guessing this isn't the case at ANY circuit.
I think the marshals did the best they could in the situation they were thrown into. The marshal that tripped was probably in his own state of shock having witnessed in person, what made my gut wrench watching the crash on TV. And I'm sure there was no further damage caused. Maybe in hindsight a red flag should have been shown, but it wasn't. They made the track safe for the rest of the riders as fast as possible to be able to continue racing.
It's been a terrible 2 weeks for the motorcycle racing community. Lets not point the finger at anyone, no one is to blame.
I think the marshals did the best they could in the situation they were thrown into. The marshal that tripped was probably in his own state of shock having witnessed in person, what made my gut wrench watching the crash on TV. And I'm sure there was no further damage caused. Maybe in hindsight a red flag should have been shown, but it wasn't. They made the track safe for the rest of the riders as fast as possible to be able to continue racing.
It's been a terrible 2 weeks for the motorcycle racing community. Lets not point the finger at anyone, no one is to blame.
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Paul Buttler should not need "hindsight". The man is a ....... ..... One bad decision after another with this clown.
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No Rog. I don't for sure, but my reaction was that he was gone even before he stopped spinning.
All the actions I saw by the marshalls/medics reinforced that.
I just strongly doubt your suggestion, that any one of them was thinking "lets clear this up and out of the way so that the show can go on".
Your right, Paul Buttler needs a Gipsy with a crystal ball.
If placing the blame of this unfortunate racing incident on Paul Buttler allows you to cope, then blame away.
I'm just as angry this happened as you, but how does red flagging the race after Tomizawa has been "dragged" off the track solve anything?
The call to move the rider was made by the track marshall-cornerworker, who in my POV has no blame in this tragic event either.
Let's not turn this into a pissing match. It's been a bad enough day.
If placing the blame of this unfortunate racing incident on Paul Buttler allows you to cope, then blame away.
I'm just as angry this happened as you, but how does red flagging the race after Tomizawa has been "dragged" off the track solve anything?
The call to move the rider was made by the track marshall-cornerworker, who in my POV has no blame in this tragic event either.
Let's not turn this into a pissing match. It's been a bad enough day.
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There was medics there ( white tunics ) ..... working on him frantically as they moved him. Not just marshalls. The tall guy on the nearside rear of the stretcher already appeared to be respirating him as they walked/run/tripped to get him to a machine. The one who tripped was also working frantically, and who knows, probably stepped into a divot in the gravel whilst focussed on helping the medics.
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News stated Tomizawa succumbed to his injures at 14.20 local time in hospital. To me it looks like the safety marshaling i.e butler failed in their common law duty of care by not red flagging. For making the marshals believe they should try to move a rider so seriously injured in such a manner that more injury could be caused.
