My personal opinion is that tony George, the stumbling .... who owns the Speeday and the Indy Car Series, is about the money. He lost F1, which brought him much coinage, which Tony likes and without it, he was lost. So he calls up Dorna, promises so much .... that probably will not happen like he did with Big Bernie and F1, and after 4-5 years the race will be gone and at Road Atlanta of some other great American race course. I will attend the race, but I do so with little expectation on what the race and orgainizers promise as those people have been doing that for years and now have little to show.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Feb 26 2008, 09:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>..... I will attend the race, but I do so with little expectation on what the race and orgainizers promise as those people have been doing that for years and now have little to show.
What are they promising?
What are they promising?
I would give my left testicle if they used road Atlanta. I would be able to ride my bike to a MotoGP event.
I havent post in a long time but I find strange that a country which doesnt even show gp live on tv can have 2 races...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (krazy91 @ Feb 27 2008, 05:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I havent post in a long time but I find strange that a country which doesnt even show gp live on tv can have 2 races...
How millions of national viewers do you need to have good TV ratings?
How many tens of thousands have to show up for it to be a packed venue?
100,000 people at Indy or Laguna and the event is a huge success.
1 million viewers makes the advertisers complain about the opportunity costs of putting on a motogp event.
That said I'm not expecting much either. I went to the F1 race at Indy in 2004 (I think). It was in September, by the time the race started it was drizzling and 45 degrees with 15mph gusts. The following year was the tire catastrophe I believe.
Anyways, Indy is a god awful place in the armpit of America. I can't believe Dorna would be stupid enough to schedule in September after consecutive years of foul weather at the F-none events.
The Canadians should modify Montreal. That would be one hell of a summer event.
How millions of national viewers do you need to have good TV ratings?
How many tens of thousands have to show up for it to be a packed venue?
100,000 people at Indy or Laguna and the event is a huge success.
1 million viewers makes the advertisers complain about the opportunity costs of putting on a motogp event.
That said I'm not expecting much either. I went to the F1 race at Indy in 2004 (I think). It was in September, by the time the race started it was drizzling and 45 degrees with 15mph gusts. The following year was the tire catastrophe I believe.
Anyways, Indy is a god awful place in the armpit of America. I can't believe Dorna would be stupid enough to schedule in September after consecutive years of foul weather at the F-none events.
The Canadians should modify Montreal. That would be one hell of a summer event.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (citadina @ Feb 27 2008, 08:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What are they promising?
Money! Track specs to the T. Dorna will probably not get everything they want from the organizers, just like Bernie and F1. They promised F1 great attendance, and it was far from it with huge gaps in the grandstands. The whole 2005 tire debacle.
Money! Track specs to the T. Dorna will probably not get everything they want from the organizers, just like Bernie and F1. They promised F1 great attendance, and it was far from it with huge gaps in the grandstands. The whole 2005 tire debacle.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (krazy91 @ Feb 27 2008, 05:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I havent post in a long time but I find strange that a country which doesnt even show gp live on tv can have 2 races...Unfortunately Dorna sold the rights to possibly the worst TV channel in the world SpeedTV. In the US, once a program is shown on TV the rights owner loses exclusivity. which means that any other channel can re-air parts of the program. since most of the GP races occur night (US time). By showing it live (to may be a smaller audience) SpeedTV runs the risk that other channels will be disclosing the results to a potentially large audience that might have actually watched the race if it was shown in the day time.
So they have decided to hang on to it and show it "for the first time" at a time when they think they will have the widest audience. Those idiots at SpeeDTV are probably not aware that most if us get our news from the internet.
So they have decided to hang on to it and show it "for the first time" at a time when they think they will have the widest audience. Those idiots at SpeeDTV are probably not aware that most if us get our news from the internet.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Feb 27 2008, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How millions of national viewers do you need to have good TV ratings?
How many tens of thousands have to show up for it to be a packed venue?
100,000 people at Indy or Laguna and the event is a huge success.
1 million viewers makes the advertisers complain about the opportunity costs of putting on a motogp event.
That said I'm not expecting much either. I went to the F1 race at Indy in 2004 (I think). It was in September, by the time the race started it was drizzling and 45 degrees with 15mph gusts. The following year was the tire catastrophe I believe.
Anyways, Indy is a god awful place in the armpit of America. I can't believe Dorna would be stupid enough to schedule in September after consecutive years of foul weather at the F-none events.
The Canadians should modify Montreal. That would be one hell of a summer event.
Thats one thing I don't understand, either. The race at Laguna is held in July, in the middle of summer, at ridiculously hot temperatures. IMO, it'd make more sense to switch the two around, since the weather will be a tad cooler in September in Laguna, and a tad warmer in Indy in July.
About Montreal, theres just no way they could get that circuit modified appropriately for MotoGP. It's essentially an old street circuit on an island. I think a GP would be good in Canada, though, maybe Mont Tremblant.
How many tens of thousands have to show up for it to be a packed venue?
100,000 people at Indy or Laguna and the event is a huge success.
1 million viewers makes the advertisers complain about the opportunity costs of putting on a motogp event.
That said I'm not expecting much either. I went to the F1 race at Indy in 2004 (I think). It was in September, by the time the race started it was drizzling and 45 degrees with 15mph gusts. The following year was the tire catastrophe I believe.
Anyways, Indy is a god awful place in the armpit of America. I can't believe Dorna would be stupid enough to schedule in September after consecutive years of foul weather at the F-none events.
The Canadians should modify Montreal. That would be one hell of a summer event.
Thats one thing I don't understand, either. The race at Laguna is held in July, in the middle of summer, at ridiculously hot temperatures. IMO, it'd make more sense to switch the two around, since the weather will be a tad cooler in September in Laguna, and a tad warmer in Indy in July.
About Montreal, theres just no way they could get that circuit modified appropriately for MotoGP. It's essentially an old street circuit on an island. I think a GP would be good in Canada, though, maybe Mont Tremblant.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Orrmate @ Feb 27 2008, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thats one thing I don't understand, either. The race at Laguna is held in July, in the middle of summer, at ridiculously hot temperatures. IMO, it'd make more sense to switch the two around, since the weather will be a tad cooler in September in Laguna, and a tad warmer in Indy in July.
About Montreal, theres just no way they could get that circuit modified appropriately for MotoGP. It's essentially an old street circuit on an island. I think a GP would be good in Canada, though, maybe Mont Tremblant.
Gilles Villenueve is used as streets for the island as well. Mont Tremblant is great, but would need a bit of modifications to get to GP level. The paddock is about the size of an office cubical. Their are only enough grandstands to fill about 50 thousand, if that. It is in the middle of nothing. Canadians for the most part are not big motorbike fans, as they only get about 3 months of good riding weather.
About Montreal, theres just no way they could get that circuit modified appropriately for MotoGP. It's essentially an old street circuit on an island. I think a GP would be good in Canada, though, maybe Mont Tremblant.
Gilles Villenueve is used as streets for the island as well. Mont Tremblant is great, but would need a bit of modifications to get to GP level. The paddock is about the size of an office cubical. Their are only enough grandstands to fill about 50 thousand, if that. It is in the middle of nothing. Canadians for the most part are not big motorbike fans, as they only get about 3 months of good riding weather.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Feb 27 2008, 02:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The Canadians should modify Montreal. That would be one hell of a summer event.
I don't think that would be a very good choice just because Canada is not really a motorcycle country. When I went to university I met one person who had a bike.....and he is 50 and bought it on a whim, complete with leathers for him and the Misses.
I don't think that would be a very good choice just because Canada is not really a motorcycle country. When I went to university I met one person who had a bike.....and he is 50 and bought it on a whim, complete with leathers for him and the Misses.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Feb 27 2008, 09:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Canadians for the most part are not big motorbike fans, as they only get about 3 months of good riding weather.
I agree with the not being fans thing but only 3 months!!! Come on now, the great lakes and St. Lawerence reigon get the same weather as New York City! From April to October you can easily ride a bike. The roads are wet but free of ice during most years so unless riding in the rain is a problem for someone that 7 months of good riding!
I agree with the not being fans thing but only 3 months!!! Come on now, the great lakes and St. Lawerence reigon get the same weather as New York City! From April to October you can easily ride a bike. The roads are wet but free of ice during most years so unless riding in the rain is a problem for someone that 7 months of good riding!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crvlvr @ Feb 27 2008, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>since most of the GP races occur night (US time).
actually most of the races, which are in europe,
are in the am. i watch all on my pc including the 125s & 250s. i'll get up at 5:00 am et 7 catch it all. the pacific rounds are at night.
actually most of the races, which are in europe,
There just isn't the money here to build and support a proper track of the motoGP level. That is the sad truth. The population isn't dense enough and most new riders are buying Harley knockoffs and don't even know that international motorcycle racing exists. And, the country is huge so where would you put it? It's not like Estoril where anyone within the borders can get there in 4 or 5 hours. There are people that commute to work almost that far here.
