Tissot Australian Grand Prix 2013

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For those interested .......... watch this from inside the Repsol garage


 


http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2013/How+Marquez+took+it+too+far+in+Australia


 


It may also dispell the myth that MM smiled when he entered the pits as he did not look happy but it does show the team knew when JL entered and MM went past


 


Is also quite funny to listen to Nakamoto call ........

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Gaz, first of all, I don't get the point of your post sir. I had already said Marc was technically ahead of Lorenzo when he looked back at him from the pit exit.  Why are you reiterating it?  When Marc was elegantly "pirouetting" (thanx DrN) off his bike an onto his spare, he was technically ahead of Lorenzo.  If we are to apply Kropos logic 'which you are not passing judgement on', then every rider exiting pit lane should not even bother looking back onto the Gardner Straight.  It is of not concern to them, as by virtue of being ahead, then have the right of way.


 


Gaz, grow some balls amigo and call out Kropo for being insane.  

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Thanks for highlighting the video.  It clearly shows the team had expected Marc to come in and the ensuing dismay that Marc screwed up.  I doesn't dispel anything, as there is video from the race feed where Marc is talking to somebody and is clearly displaying a jovial attitude just moments after he returned into the garage from the back.  That video you linked is a highlights, that means there are parts missing in between.  I clearly saw him smiling.  In fact, Nick Harris, the commentator says, well it doesn't like like he is too bothered.


 


Agree, Nakamoto will never make it in Hollywood.  Nothing about his protest seemed convincing.  But the dismay on the faces when Marc goes past ignoring the obligation to pit was priceless.


 


 


Good night gentz.

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Michael,


 


PI actually hosted the first ever flag to flag race and from memory, there was no lowering or movement of the pit entry/exit control lines at the time (cannot recall from memory though if the race started wet or was interrupted by wet which makes changing the point impossible).


 


Yes I have marshalled a few times at the Island and will say that for bikes the re-entry point is often debated as it is not in the best position and there have been collisions in the past such as the MM/JL one, but generally in practice.


 


From memory the pit exit/re-entry road was realigned as the result of a massive car accident caused when a car re-entered the circuit just over the brow of the hill (the old point) and then suffered a mechanical and was collected at extreme high speed. The end result being (rumoured to me that a police investigation recommended it) that the lane was realigned and now we see vehicles entering the circuit at significantly lower speed than is the track and traffic flow. 

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One thing about the mm black flag i would like to point out.


When i watched the race on BBC the commentators said "you have to pit before the end of lap 10". Then when i watched on eurosport they said "you have to pit by lap 10". Now is this where the confusion happened ? If it was pit before the end of lap 10 mm did not break the rule. The finish line was after the pit entrance so lap 10 was not completed. If the rule was pit by lap 10 then mm did break the rule.


Dani's place drop.


making a rider drop a place during the race is stupid imo. The place should be deducted after the race has finished. Because mm got black flagged dani got away with his penalty, so it was meaningless.


 


The collision.


Jumkie is correct is saying its the responsibility of the rider entering the track to do so safely. Even if Lorenzo ran wide no blame can be apportioned towards him. He has the right to use any part of the track as he is already on it unlike the rider joining.


MM did look behind before entering the track so the question is. Did he see lorenzo,did he misjudge lorenzos speed and position or did he just try and force his way through to gain position.


But thats the incident so now thats look at the cause. Motogp have never done pit stops like this so it was a new un-practiced event.  Race direction did not think this through and make adjustments to pit lane exit speed limit. This caused slow bikes to meet fast bikes which is always dangerous.

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Ive watched the Daytona 200 for a number of years which is made up of about 15 pro racers and 30 or so unseasoned privateers.

I have never seen someone come out of pit row and sit on the racing line like that and these are kids that have considerable less racing experience then Marquez.

There have been a lot of adjectives to describe Marquezs cutthroat approach to passing and racing. He seems to try anything,anywhere regardless of the outcome. This race opened my eyes about him. Its not that he has an uncaring attitude he really is not very intelligent.

Every race he makes an enormous mistake that is usually preluded by an enormously risky move. Usually one that was not warranted. For example the corkscrew incident. He could have passed Rossi anywhere but chose the most dangerous of moves. So far he has been lucky and hasnt hurt anyone

He knew he had two laps to pit and it was quite obvious when Pedro pitted that he only had one more opportunity. The lame excuses I am reading on here are as juvenile as the dog ate my homework. It was written on a piece of paper just like the Presidential Daily Briefs that are given to Obama every day. Sorry Marc, maybe someone should have kixstered of instagrammed the rules to you.

Coming onto a hot track from pit lane is one of the the most aggregious offences that can happen on a race track. There is no gray area here except for those of you that are full of gray matter. Marquez is really a dumb ... ............ that doesnt have the intelligence required to make split second decisions above 100mph. What worries me most is that you cant fix stupid

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MM Got ...... up

 

there was pit crew Confusion the riders coming onto the front straight crossing the finish line "11 laps to go on the TV screen"

got these pit boards #99 1 lap / #93 2 lap

 

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Just to throw another ...... into the mix - it turns out the black flag shown to Cudlin was actually a mistake. Race Direction brought him in after the race to apologise. No word on how they managed to screw that up.

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Anyway, talking of .... ups in the HRC camp, did anyone else notice that Pedrosa seemed to be completely oblivious to the fact that he had gotten a drop-1-place-penalty? Check the interview with Azy from the BBC. I never did actually see a shot of a board with the penalty on it. Seems to me like HRC got lucky with at least one of their riders.

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I'm also gonna go on record as saying, I honestly think there may be something wrong with Marc's eyesight.  He injured his eyesight and I remember being concerned that this promising kid had ruined his career before it took off. I wonder if something has been permanently damaged affecting his depth perception.  I'm not being funny nor sarcastic.  He was injured and then when the season started he was cleared.  Riders race all the time with minor injuries, sometimes major ones as well.  Certainly a 'blind spot' may be more difficult to detect, if not cover up.  (Sorry, I'm a cynical ......., but I know these competitors would eat their own children to compete at the highest levels).  

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Sounds like a perfect description of Marco Simoncelli - yet he was feted 'round these parts as the guy you most wanted to have a beer with. The two main differences (other than MM having much more talent and less crashing during races) is that Marco was


A. Italian (or more importantly NOT SPANISH)


B. A frat boy's wet dream successor to Rossi (as opposed to a creepy, insectoid-like kid with a smile like Heath Ledger's version of The Joker.

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Im American!

I dont want any Aussies judging me

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Anyway, talking of .... ups in the HRC camp, did anyone else notice that Pedrosa seemed to be completely oblivious to the fact that he had gotten a drop-1-place-penalty? Check the interview with Azy from the BBC. I never did actually see a shot of a board with the penalty on it. Seems to me like HRC got lucky with at least one of their riders.

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What I found interesting in the write-up is the assertion that Honda knew they were pushing the rules by keeping Marc out for an extra lap, but did so anyway, thinking they could game the system. If that's true, it reveals in HRC either incredible arrogance (very likely) or extreme idiocy (not as likely, but still possible). You would think that Honda would cross every T and dot every I this close to winning a championship, but if they intentionally played with safety rules like this, it shows the extent to which they think they control MotoGP. 

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Reiterating it because I want to basically .


 


As for calling Krop out, I have just read the full article on Krops site and it is reasoned and absolutely correct in that it is the responsibility of the passing rider when the track is live and all are on the same lap. Sadly as it may be to comprehend but Krop is correct as MM was in front and on the same lap, thus it became (effectively) Lorenzo's responsibility to pass safely which (IMO) he made hard by running wide (as he states) even though I readily agree that speed differential plays a part in reasonable expectation


 


Thus, I ask you this


 


Should Marquez be penalized because he ended up on a spot of track where Lorenzo would not have been were it not for his error?


 


Watch the entire race and see Lorenzo's line through turn 1, he is closer to Pedrosa's line usually not the slightly (emphasis here on slightly) wider line. IMO, Pedrosa was in more peril from Marquez's entry as MM's line had him heading closer to the line of Pedrosa at apex on the turn (watch the aerial)


 


Irrespective NONE of this is comparable to that which occurred in practice where a rider struck out at, kicked out at and then used his bike to barge into another rider at Turn 2 on the cool down lap. Race direction have not issued any penalty over this incident so how can Marquez be penalised?


 


If we want consistency from RD then they must apply equally and fairly the rules as written (still waiting to see the DQ rule for MM, Cudlin and Staring's offence) and to NOT penalise the Saturday incident is far worse than any of the Sunday antics that occurred that are thought or being discussed as worthy of a penalty (all IMO). So we disagree totally Jums, sorry to say


 


 


And Jums, with regards to the balls comment, having been married for 25+ years I handed mine in a bloody long time ago


 


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