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chopperman
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Eurosport stated it was made clear disqualification would be the punishment for pit stop window infractions. As for Dani, i'm surprised he didn't get black flagged for not dropping a place. So as it happened dani broke the pit lane rules and ignored marshals and got away scott free.
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Rog,


 


The earlier tweets posted in the thread from Edwards seem to say that riders and/or teams were NOT told of DQ so given his (Edwards) propensity for calling it as he sees it, I tend to go with the penalty being made up after the riders were informed (possibly as the result of a 'what if' question)


 


As for Dani, he did drop a place as MM was not dq'd at the time MM past him and thus the result stood (fairly IMO) assuming that the penalty was to be applied on track (which IMO it should not for a pit lane infraction)
 
SuperManatee
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Ive laid out my examples a few times now. Hes the only rider that seemed unable to comprehend the 10 lap rule.

Even the bumbling country bumpkin Hayden could figure it out.

What he did was akin to a soccer player kicking it into the wrong goal. Why would you excuse idiocy.

Learning multiple languages as a child does not equate IQ. Its learned behavior thru repetitive speech. Much different then memorization learning. I think anyone that lives in the southern border states can attest to that. Also there is no evidence that equates intelligence to championships. Talent most always rules out
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You are the one that is incorrect Super as has been pointedo ut by myself and others,  two other riders and teams also could not work it out (Cudlin and Staring) and also were dq'd for exceeding the 10 lap rule
 
Gaz
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Rog,


 


The earlier tweets posted in the thread from Edwards seem to say that riders and/or teams were NOT told of DQ so given his (Edwards) propensity for calling it as he sees it, I tend to go with the penalty being made up after the riders were informed (possibly as the result of a 'what if' question)


 


As for Dani, he did drop a place as MM was not dq'd at the time MM past him and thus the result stood (fairly IMO) assuming that the penalty was to be applied on track (which IMO it should not for a pit lane infraction)
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I was quoting what Toby and jules said on tv, but to be honest i would take Edwards as truth over the eurosport boys in the heat of the moment.


You are correct in mm had passed dani so sentence seen as served. I think its stupid to drop a place on track for a pit lane penalty. They should be docked at the end of the race. You should only be made to drop a place on track if you're being punished for a track infringement, like a short cut and gaining a position or a dirty move and gaining a place. imho
 
rezonator636
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I'm curious: what are your views on Bautista? 
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Reckless and dangerous the same as MM. MM being the superstar and wonderchild has a PR dept made up of Dorna employees, journalists, fanboys and Powersliders who defend his errant behavior. Bautista does not have this group of apologists so most peple see him for what he is.
 
Gaz
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You are the one that is incorrect Super as has been pointedo ut by myself and others,  two other riders and teams also could not work it out (Cudlin and Staring) and also were dq'd for exceeding the 10 lap rule
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LOL

Who the .... is Cudlin and Staring?
 
Gaz
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You are the one that is incorrect Super as has been pointedo ut by myself and others,  two other riders and teams also could not work it out (Cudlin and Staring) and also were dq'd for exceeding the 10 lap rule
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Did those two teams even have a spare bike?


Seriously.
 
Seeing as most major racing series have had a tire controversy within the last few years i dont think thats as big a disaster as everyone thinks...its unfortunate surely butbthe organizers did what was necessary to ensure the riders' safety and give us as good a show as possible...i was excited for the race as always but even more so because of the pit stops.


 


As for 93..  honda had to know when both their guys were coming in and what alternate strategies were available to them depending on circumstances...i doubt very much this was a hrc problem...just them trying to cover up their golden boy's ........


 


I thought his exit from pit lane onto the track was ........ and unsafe but nothing will come of it which is unfortunate.  I understand why people like him and that he's exciting and impetuous but i think he's on the razor's edge too much.
 
from Kropo "<span style="background-color:rgb(204,204,204);color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'Lucida Grande', 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:1.3em;But he is racing, and leading the race. He is not responsible for what is behind him at that point."


 Kropo stating that Marquez had already past the white lines of pit lane and had rejoined the race IN THE LEAD...so he isn't responsible for what's behind him at that point...what a load of .....  Yes he is technically correct, but ...., please engage your brain first and realize the massive speed discrepancy at that point in the track between someone coming into doohan corner and one exiting pit lane.  Gotta be smart about this, the collision could have ended tragically for both riders involved.
 
SuperManatee
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Reckless and dangerous the same as MM. MM being the superstar and wonderchild has a PR dept made up of Dorna employees, journalists, fanboys and Powersliders who defend his errant behavior. Bautista does not have this group of apologists so most peple see him for what he is.
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I agree , but even though you don't like him he still deserves a fair trial in our kangaroo court.
 
Dr No
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Did those two teams even have a spare bike?


Seriously.
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Even if they didn't have a second bike they would still be required to do a pit stop, if anything to keep the order of the grid. i don't know if the CRT's had tyre issues or not.
 
alexchristian
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Seeing as most major racing series have had a tire controversy within the last few years i dont think thats as big a disaster as everyone thinks...its unfortunate surely butbthe organizers did what was necessary to ensure the riders' safety and give us as good a show as possible...i was excited for the race as always but even more so because of the pit stops.


 


As for 93..  honda had to know when both their guys were coming in and what alternate strategies were available to them depending on circumstances...i doubt very much this was a hrc problem...just them trying to cover up their golden boy's ........


 


I thought his exit from pit lane onto the track was ........ and unsafe but nothing will come of it which is unfortunate.  I understand why people like him and that he's exciting and impetuous but i think he's on the razor's edge too much.
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I think it was hastily cobbled together in emulation of F1, as is Ezy's usual wont, which makes me suspect he was the direct architect. I am actually not sure what the F1 rule is, but the F1 cars seem to re-enter the track at a much higher relative speed, and the speed differential resulting from where the pit lane exit was and the pitlane speed limit seemed to be the problem as Gaz has said. 


 


As I said earlier MM was blackflagged for entering and hence leaving the pit a lap late, which rather invalidates Kropotkin's claim that he had priority due to position on the track if he indeed has made such a claim. If  pit stops were the norm and occurred irregularly then I guess there would be some onus on Jorge to have been more careful around the pitlane exit as well. 


 


Bottom line for me was that MM was trying to jump JL using a pit stop strategy a la F1.
 
chopperman
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Even if they didn't have a second bike they would still be required to do a pit stop, if anything to keep the order of the grid. i don't know if the CRT's had tyre issues or not.
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Oh, I agree. But the rules!


 


2. Every rider will be required to enter the pits and change to his second machine with fresh tyres at least once during the race.


 


They needed to go out a spare bike, not change tyres. I'm uncertain whether Damo even had a spare...so if he went out on the same bike....he's a disgraceful Cheat! Farce of a weekend.
 
if it was well known and pre-decided that if you did not pit in during the window you would be disqualified.  why was the black flag not out as soon as he had gone past pit lane or why was he allowed to leave pit lane ? i'll tell you why


 


they made up the penalty when they saw a opportunity to have a thrilling end to the season.


 


So Lorenzo to win needs Marquez to finish 3rd in the last 2 races and lotrenzo to win and the only bloke who is capable of being in front of marquez other than lorenzo  is Dani Pedrosa . and Maquez has kicked dani of the number one seat at HRC. I think there's a fair chance Dani may well say .... you MR Honda  and do all he can to stop Marquez winning the season


 


all in all thank you bridgestone what a end to the season its going to be
 
Dr No
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Oh, I agree. But the rules!


 


2. Every rider will be required to enter the pits and change to his second machine with fresh tyres at least once during the race.


 


They needed to go out a spare bike, not change tyres. I'm uncertain whether Damo even had a spare...so if he went out on the same bike....he's a disgraceful Cheat! Farce of a weekend.
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I've not seen the memo sent to the teams with the rules. maybe the CRT rules differed in that regard ?  Im not sure whether the CRT had the tyre safety issue. If not i see no reason why they would have to do any more than a stop outside the garage and go. Prototype had to change bikes for a safety reason.
 
chopperman
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I've not seen the memo sent to the teams with the rules. maybe the CRT rules differed in that regard ?  Im not sure whether the CRT had the tyre safety issue. If not i see no reason why they would have to do any more than a stop outside the garage and go. Prototype had to change bikes for a safety reason.
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The CRTs run a softer compound, so they should have had bigger problems.
 

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