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The Valentino Rossi rumors

Despite being a Stoner supporter, I for one can honestly say that I don't hate Rossi at all & certainly not for his successes. This I believe would apply to most so-called "boners" on this site.



The issue I've had with Vale ever since 2004 is his crappy treatment of his fellow competitors on track at various times, whilst still trying to maintain his squeaky clean image with the press & public. Rossi is a great combination of great talent plus strong marketing, which has resulted in the juggernaut that we've witnessed over the last decade.



The problem with that is I believe that Rossi & his fans started to believe his own hype at some stage & this is what annoys me the most...



Rossi no doubt is one of the greatest racers in the history of world motorcycle championship racing and that will stand the test of time... But like all good things, his reign is coming to an end and his fans will need to accept that there are younger, hungrier & regularly faster riders at the pointy end of the grid...

I am with you obviously; as a stoner fan the total denial that stoner had anything to do with the 2007 championship win, the widespread glee about him being "broken" when ill in 2009, etc etc were intensely annoying, as I am sure the detraction from nicky hayden was to his fans in 2006, despite Nicky being as stand-up a guy as you will find in elite sport. I also think stoner's much criticised attitude (such as it is) is a product of his vilification rather than the cause of it.



It has gone way back the other way now though, valentino being relatively unsuccessful for 1 year on a flawed and idiosyncratic bike doesn't make his success (obviously much greater than stoner's thus far and likely to remain so) over such a long period on so many different bikes fraudulent as some are now contending either.



I think there is an element of truth to your point about rossi and dorna believing their own publicity to an extent. He is closer to being an invincible super hero than most human beings but is actually still human, and he himself seemed to believe he could overcome the deficiencies of any bike, as did dorna, whilst allowing the bikes to become increasingly technology driven and making rule changes which specifically detracted from his strengths, perhaps with his assistance in the case of the control tyre rule.
 
The last 2 post pretty much sums it up. On a funnier side, over on Crash, the bops are so desperate for something to hang their hat on, they are arguing that Rossi is a harder worker and puts in many more test and practice laps than Stoner. They are quickly running out of comparisons between the two.
 
they are arguing that Rossi is a harder worker and puts in many more test and practice laps than Stoner. They are quickly running out of comparisons between the two.



It is true. The odd thing about Stoner is that he seems to be able to turn one hot lap and give feedback based on it.
 
It is true. The odd thing about Stoner is that he seems to be able to turn one hot lap and give feedback based on it.

As Stoner says: If it works it works, if it doesn't it doesn't . Why do more laps on something i don't like or i know isn't working well?
 
I think there is an element of truth to your point about rossi and dorna believing their own publicity to an extent. He is closer to being an invincible super hero than most human beings but is actually still human, and he himself seemed to believe he could overcome the deficiencies of any bike, as did dorna, whilst allowing the bikes to become increasingly technology driven and making rule changes which specifically detracted from his strengths, perhaps with his assistance in the case of the control tyre rule.

Perhaps so. I remember when Sete returned in 2009, he was shocked at the level of electronics. Hopkins said the same thing when he jumped on the Rizla Suzuki.



Suppo said the same thing, as did KR JR.



The more these bikes advance, the more the package (team/bike/rider) needs to be complete. You simply cannot have a missing piece of the puzzle.
 
Perhaps so. I remember when Sete returned in 2009, he was shocked at the level of electronics. Hopkins said the same thing when he jumped on the Rizla Suzuki.



Suppo said the same thing, as did KR JR.



The more these bikes advance, the more the package (team/bike/rider) needs to be complete. You simply cannot have a missing piece of the puzzle.



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Perhaps so. I remember when Sete returned in 2009, he was shocked at the level of electronics. Hopkins said the same thing when he jumped on the Rizla Suzuki.



Suppo said the same thing, as did KR JR.



The more these bikes advance, the more the package (team/bike/rider) needs to be complete. You simply cannot have a missing piece of the puzzle.



And Guareschi said that 70% of all testing done now is working with the electronics.
 
And Guareschi said that 70% of all testing done now is working with the electronics.



Krop can probably give accurate opinion but I seem to recall that the majority of the electronics is involved in fuel saving on corner entry so there is more fuel available on corner exit.



If this is the case then it would be a contrast to the 990 days when the largest portion of electronics were involved in corner exit and fuel saving was less of a concern.
 
The electronics do a lot more than save fuel. Lorenzo being chucked off abruptly at Laguna because he wasn't giving the throttle 100% attention showed that clearly.
 
Honda were really p!ssed with Vale when he went to Yamaka.

If Rossi went to Gresini there's no way he'd get all the good bits.



There's nothing Honda would like more than to get Rossi back on a Honda only to have him finish behind Pedrosa & Stoner.

It wouldn't cost them to do it either like many have pointed out, Rossi brings his own money.



How sweet would that be for Honda.
 
Well we can put this one to bed, Rossi has said he heard the rumors and Melandri is not his manager lmao, He said he will be with Ducati 100% for next season as he agreed.
 
I think that is highly likely

Only if he doesn't win the championship next year.



It is entirely speculative, but imo there is a subtext to all this. I really wonder if he told yamaha that he would retire if he won the 2009 championship, then went back on it, whether because of his tax problems or whatever. He actually said in 2008 after winning the championship that 2009 would be the decider between him and casey, perhaps underestimating lorenzo in the process.



I am not seeing any subtext to his current statements, but I don't think he will want to retire if he has lost the last 3 championships he contested.
 
every year he races is another year older too michael, those 32 year old bones wont last forever haha
 

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