the points system

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Apr 3 2007, 04:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>debatable.

so rossi DOESNT win the majority of races then?


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Apr 3 2007, 04:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah why should we have a system where the guy who finishes first most often wins, this is madness.

funny. its about consistency not wins. what if a rider won every race he finished but only finished half of them because he bins it alot. does he deserve to win the crown then over someone who gets on the podium every time they race?

fair enough, just difference of opinion i suppose

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stop_killing_dead_things @ Apr 3 2007, 11:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>rossi would always win the crown and that would be really boring.

You said he WOULD win the crown, much like stating it as a fact. He DID win the most races last year but he didn't win the championship.

It's debatable on these accounts:

1. It hasn't been proven that with this kind of points system, Rossi would walk away with the crown.
2. Rossi has quite a challenge coming from the other riders. Rossi is great, and so are the other riders.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stop_killing_dead_things @ Apr 3 2007, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>so rossi DOESNT win the majority of races then?
funny. its about consistency not wins. what if a rider won every race he finished but only finished half of them because he bins it alot. does he deserve to win the crown then over someone who gets on the podium every time they race?


Exactly, I'm just challenging opinions here like"Rossi would win and it would be boring"

It's funny, but when somebody is dominant, racing is percieved as boring. I prefer to enjoy watching someone take it to the limit regularly, and if they are beating credible opposition evey week, I dont think thats boring.

Were not talking F1 here, where there is very little overtaking in a race. But, a sport where ther will be real scrapping right down the order. Rally cars don't even all start at the same time, but few would say that makes it boring. I think if someone is winning regularly, watch and enjoy, you might just be watching the greatest ever. (Before anyone jumps in, I'm not just talking about Vale here, but Doohan, Schumacher, Ricky Carmichael, David Knight, whoever is at the very top of thier game.)

These guys dont come along very often, enjoy it.


Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Apr 3 2007, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You said he WOULD win the crown, much like stating it as a fact. He DID win the most races last year but he didn't win the championship.

thats because of the current points system, if the winner got 10 points more than the second place man, then he would have.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Apr 3 2007, 05:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Exactly, I'm just challenging opinions here like"Rossi would win and it would be boring"

It's funny, but when somebody is dominant, racing is percieved as boring. I prefer to enjoy watching someone take it to the limit regularly, and if they are beating credible opposition evey week, I dont think thats boring.

i do, i prefer a huge fight between many riders. it doesnt matter to me if it was pedrosa that kept winning, id still find it boring. close races/ championships are always the best

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 3 2007, 09:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>in my oppinion yes he does deserve the crown. winning is what racing is all about.
In that case, we should change the podium. Only one step.

You may want to give Kevin Schwantz a call. He may be interested in your petition. This way Wayne Rainey can give him his “undeserved” championship back. Hey, while we are at it, wanting to change the rules and all, maybe we can do it retroactively and award the 06 championship to Rossi.

Speaking of rules, I think they should apply the NASCAR rules for bikes including a control tire. This way the bikes will be so "equal" that the rider's ability will be an increased major factor. Unlike the system there is now where when your boy doesn't win we have the machine to take the blame. (that goes for all the riders)—not joking.

What do you think? (seriously)

(Perhaps Button has some other ideas on the topic.) --now I'm joking.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Apr 3 2007, 09:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you might just be watching the greatest ever. (Before anyone jumps in, I'm not just talking about Vale here, but Doohan, Schumacher, Ricky Carmichael, David Knight, whoever is at the very top of thier game.)

These guys dont come along very often, enjoy it.
Pete
Hey, you forgot Pastrana and... (oh yeah Peterhansel).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Apr 3 2007, 07:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> 1 point!!!! surly it would be worth more...
In that case, Hayden for sure would win the title. I almost got stampeded by this group of hot chicks who ran over to get a looksy at Hayden last year at Laguna. Oh, and there were a few boys in yellow shirts who shoved me out of the way as they ran up to Rossi's trailer to get a glimpse too. But you're not suggesting we give them points for most male groupies willing to give up the ..., are you?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Apr 3 2007, 01:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In that case, Hayden for sure would win the title. I almost got stampeded by this group of hot chicks who ran over to get a looksy at Hayden last year at Laguna. Oh, and there were a few boys in yellow shirts who shoved me out of the way as they ran up to Rossi's trailer to get a glimpse too. But you're not suggesting we give them points for most male groupies willing to give up the ..., are you?

hey.........gas, grass, or .......no-one rides for free.

Don't forget giving Rossi 10 pts for every time he picks the leathers out his arse!!

This topic is hilarious, Rossi loses the title and now its time to question the points system so that he can be seen as the winner. Speed wins races consistency wins titles, thats how its always been, some riders are lucky enough to be the best at both, some are the best at one and get by with the other. Lets not crush the "racing spirit" by awarding points for qualifying.

Christ guys no matter how you look at it you're always returning to the same topic.
It is now 2007 let's move on PLEASE.

Maybe we should make a special "i'm not over 2006" topic for everyone who still cant deal with it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 3 2007, 01:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>since nicky hayden won the world championship i have read countless debates on weather or not he deserved it because he only won 2 races ect,

hmmm

I think the current system is pretty good to be honest. I don't believe fastest laps and pole positions deserve rewards since they in themslefes are an advantage and the rider is responsible for maximizing those cahnces in the RACE. I also like the way the reward for further progression is larger as the position gets better, this is far superior to the systems in most forms of car racing.

i still think the 1 point per umbrella girl nailed should be implemented....
with live feed.

I guess Hayden should give Rossi the BMW he won last year because Rossi had more poles than him.It doesnt matter that for the year,Hayden was over 5 second faster than Rossi in the BMW Qualifying Award.Will you people move on,we are 1/4 of the way thru 2007 and you are still inventing scenarios where Rossi gets the title for 2006.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Apr 3 2007, 10:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah why should we have a system where the guy who finishes first most often wins, this is madness.

Pete



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Apr 3 2007, 10:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I genuinely believe that we need a shake up in the points system, with more points for race winners. People would surely put on that extra push if it meant a points cushion instead of a safe second.

Pete



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Apr 3 2007, 10:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah why should we have a system where the guy who finishes first most often wins, this is madness.
Pete
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ssiperko @ Apr 3 2007, 11:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> him ...... why? Because it makes sense and that just will not do for the Haydenetts.
SS

It's Pete, remember sarcasm?