The next step for Ducati is an alien

gui22a said:

Although both Andreas are good riders, they are just that and nothing more than good riders. Dovislowzo, specially, is at his maximum, but this is not enough.

He is a good developer but is damn too conservative, he does not take any risks, he does not seem to have the testosterone needed to influence his desire of win. This guy will never win a race again, that's clear. Iannone, in fact, has more chances as even Paolo Ciabatti believes him more than Dovi, which is more like the Rubens Barrichelo of bikes.

And for that, I think Ducati should try Pedrosa, as NOW the GP15 is a smoother bike than RCV, that tiny guy could stress a bit less his playmobil arm. Also, Dani is a good developer. I think Pedrosa would love the new Ducati.

Ducati desperately needs an alien for 2016, but who?. I sincerely do not believe Gigi will see his very anticipated 1st win this year.

MotoGP should give more chances to Moto2 riders, maybe there is a new Stoner somewhere there and we'll never know if he doesn't try a MotoGP bike.

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Come on man. This is flame bait no? Ducati had a guy with big balls. Crutchlow is not afraid to ride over the limit and bin it. He's still doing it. Ducati needs results. Sponsors want results not spectacular crashes.

I like Dani, but he's not the answer. I think Ducati have a sound team at the moment with two very good but different styles. Dovi is a late breaker, point and shoot guy while Iannone is the high corner speed guy. It's a great way for Ducati to develop going forward. I don't think you'll see them make any rider moves for some time. I don't see anyone in the field at the moment who can do more for Ducati than the guys they have. Particularly when you consider the language issues.

levigarrett said:

Come on man. This is flame bait no? Ducati had a guy with big balls. Crutchlow is not afraid to ride over the limit and bin it. He's still doing it. Ducati needs results. Sponsors want results not spectacular crashes.

I like Dani, but he's not the answer. I think Ducati have a sound team at the moment with two very good but different styles. Dovi is a late breaker, point and shoot guy while Iannone is the high corner speed guy. It's a great way for Ducati to develop going forward. I don't think you'll see them make any rider moves for some time. I don't see anyone in the field at the moment who can do more for Ducati than the guys they have. Particularly when you consider the language issues.

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Stoner...

Willski said:

Stoner...

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Not available though.

levigarrett said:

Not available though.

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Shame....

This thread should be retitled the next step for an alien is a honda or yamaha

levigarrett said:

Not available though.

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I don't know. Do the terms of that testing contract really prevent him from signing with a team as a full-time rider?

I can't believe it does.

They can go chuck one of the two Mario Bros. into the fire and put Casey on that bike.

SuperManatee said:

This thread should be retitled the next step for an alien is a honda or yamaha

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The take of the year, if not the decade!

A truth not easily understood apparently. Not by us fans nor god knows the expert pundits.

gui22a said:

To develop what, to be more precise?

In fact this bike needs nothing more than a rider who can play with it. The new Ducati is ready to win as even Dovizioso assumes that HE (and not the bike) is lacking a detail for the win. Iannone himself, never blames the bike. Maybe it lacks a bit of traction at the very exit of the corner but that is just that, a detail, so Honda and Yamaha both need some details too, Yamaha needs a bit of horsepower and Honda, well, maybe a little bit more work. But despite that they are all winning capable bikes. The difference is the riders.

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Why do u think the GP15 is winning bike? The times it's been on the podium some anomaly has occurred with the 4 bikes ahead of Ducati (2 RCVs/2 M1s). Not to mention the GP14 could hardly make the podium but u think its now a race winner in the 'right hands'? Not sure if you've been reading the prevailing argument but our best ever alien in the history of the planet AKA Marc Marquez has got 1 race win on the RCV, the greatest bike ever until 2 weeks ago when a full court press of propaganda revisions were announced in the media. So you think Ducati's deficiency are mere "details"? Well apparently this "detail" of too much power is impeding the Honda riders. But u think Yamaha's solution is more power? Barbara had the fastest Ducati at Mugello and finished .....

Ducati's problem is not their superb riders but rather their rivals have superior bikes in race conditions!

JPSLotus said:

I don't know. Do the terms of that testing contract really prevent him from signing with a team as a full-time rider?

I can't believe it does.

They can go chuck one of the two Mario Bros. into the fire and put Casey on that bike.

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Bad analogy JPS. The Mario bros could jump over mushrooms. The only thing Pedro or Marquesha could do with a mushroom is use them for an umbrella

Hahaha hahaha

You're on a nice roll.

Jumkie said:

Hahaha hahaha

You're on a nice roll.

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Just like Cal

Jumkie said:

Why do u think the GP15 is winning bike? The times it's been on the podium some anomaly has occurred with the 4 bikes ahead of Ducati (2 RCVs/2 M1s). Not to mention the GP14 could hardly make the podium but u think its now a race winner in the 'right hands'? Not sure if you've been reading the prevailing argument but our best ever alien in the history of the planet AKA Marc Marquez has got 1 race win on the RCV, the greatest bike ever until 2 weeks ago when a full court press of propaganda revisions were announced in the media. So you think Ducati's deficiency are mere "details"? Well apparently this "detail" of too much power is impeding the Honda riders. But u think Yamaha's solution is more power? Barbara had the fastest Ducati at Mugello and finished .....

Ducati's problem is not their superb riders but rather their rivals have superior bikes in race conditions!

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Everyone is in agreement that the GP15 is a major improvement from last years bike, but again it's not on a level playing field with the concessions it has. All the open bikes have the qualifying edge because of the soft tyre allocation which makes good headlines Saturday (as per Suzuki today) but come race day, the day that matters, they are still lacking as Jum said (I don't buy into the 'Honda is the 3rd best bike' statements either).

Ducati's performance this year, while a great improvement and very much welcome, is still artificial while the concessions as they are are still in place. IF the GP 15 was running as well as it is without the softer rear tyre and with 20 litres of fuel etc then I might say it's a better bike than the RCV at present but it's not.

Am I against concessions? No. One could argue that from 2004-7 when Ducati were having Bridgestones made for them that this was a form of concession, and in WSBK Ducati are allowed more CC's because of their engine design. The problem is the rules are so tight now that it all but eliminates any innovation (Such as Ducati having tyres that suit their bike) so concessions are required to try and even up the field to stop fans saying "It's boring". Do you class the 2006 Suzuki as a 'Race Winning Bike'? Afer all it won with Vermulen in the wet in Le-mans, but I don't think anyone can honestly say the 2006 Zook was a race winning bike in terms of competitveness.

Regarding an alien, I've no doubt that a hungry rider might take more risks than Dovi to win, but is that not what Iannone is considered to be? His nickname is "Crazy Joe" after all. I don't think an alien is the be all and end all, Rossi on average didn't fare much better than Hayden in his tenure on the Duc.

gui22a said:

Although both Andreas are good riders, they are just that and nothing more than good riders. Dovislowzo, specially, is at his maximum, but this is not enough.

He is a good developer but is damn too conservative, he does not take any risks, he does not seem to have the testosterone needed to influence his desire of win. This guy will never win a race again, that's clear. Iannone, in fact, has more chances as even Paolo Ciabatti believes him more than Dovi, which is more like the Rubens Barrichelo of bikes.

And for that, I think Ducati should try Pedrosa, as NOW the GP15 is a smoother bike than RCV, that tiny guy could stress a bit less his playmobil arm. Also, Dani is a good developer. I think Pedrosa would love the new Ducati.

Ducati desperately needs an alien for 2016, but who?. I sincerely do not believe Gigi will see his very anticipated 1st win this year.

MotoGP should give more chances to Moto2 riders, maybe there is a new Stoner somewhere there and we'll never know if he doesn't try a MotoGP bike.

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Agree - I would sign Pedrosa too. His weight combined with Ducati HP would be insane on corner exits and straights.

Agree with much of your post #22, Ducati do obviously have an artificial advantage now; I suspect the 12 rather than 5 engines is the biggest advantage, the soft tyre is obviously an advantage in qualifying but they didn't have the hard tyre (whether or not their bike could have utilised it) available for the race in conditions which suited this tyre in some early season races.

Can't agree with your argument about Ducati having "concessions" by having the Bridgestone tyre up to and including 2007 though, Michelin was the tyre to be on for many years particularly for those on the "saturday night special" list, Ducati decided to go with Bridgestone when they were the inferior tyre and co-developed a tyre to suit their bike, which was how prototype racing had always worked. Not all that arguably the control tyre actually was slanted to suit Honda and Yamaha and screwed Ducati. As I recall Ducati were prepared to start anew with Michelin rather than have the control tyre.

Stoner was blessed twice - when Ducati was ahead of the others in bike development in 2007, and when he left to join Honda. Casey was practically a no name prior to joining Ducati. Never understood this "God like" stature everyone seems to give him.
Not taking anything away from him but I'm not crowning him either.

dduc996 said:

Stoner was blessed twice - when Ducati was ahead of the others in bike development in 2007, and when he left to join Honda. Casey was practically a no name prior to joining Ducati. Never understood this "God like" stature everyone seems to give him.
Not taking anything away from him but I'm not crowning him either.

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Obvious troll attempt.