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As I currently am doing after reading Heismans posts. The only point he left out of his argument was how Rossi's load tasted in the back of his throat
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As I currently am doing after reading Heismans posts. The only point he left out of his argument was how Rossi's load tasted in the back of his throat
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Excellent post and I agree. Don't forget that what Schumacher also did in essense was bring a lot of the Benetton guys over to Ferrari (Brawn, Byrne etc). But I couldn't stand the guy either to be fair.
Interesting, though I don't personally believe the sandbagging story. It;s a good analogy though with Rossi/Schumacher. A year in motorsports is a light year in the real world, so to say Rossi or Schumacher had any effect on the latest Mercs of Ducati's especially after both companies has a major technical reshuffle after they left is off mark.
You call me saying that Rossi's time at Ducati was "a complete and unmitigated failure" gushing about his accomplishments?
My mistake. You seem to credit Rossi/Burgess with winning a culture crusade, despite Burgess letting everyone know that they were headed to Ducati to change the bike.
I don't credit them with winning, but I do give them credit for getting it started. There's a big difference. As I said, I would give Gigi full props for actually getting the change done which he was only able to do because he made them put it into his contract that he had that authority before he even signed the papers. And the current iteration of the bike is definitely his brain child and he deserves full credit for it. However it doesn't take anything away from him (at least to me) to acknowledge that his appearance at Ducati was made possible by the work that Rossi and Burgess started. That doesn't mean Rossi won or succeeded. Again, he did horribly. But in his failure he managed to get Ducati to start experimenting with the aluminium twin spar frame, which made Gigi an attractive addition which opened the way for him to get there. A small part to play in the grand scheme of things, I just acknowledge it as a small part and one of the good things to come out of that whole debacle (other than the large dose of humility that he seems to have gotten as well).
None. I am not an industry insider and don't claim to be. As i said multiple times, this is all based on what I've read and been able to infer. I would say that the biggest indication would be the fact that said chassis has not made a re-appearance and there have been no hints at all of it coming back. If you have any information or sources to the contrary then I would gladly read/watch and change my opinion while expanding my knowledge of the sport.
Agreed.
With respect (as you are basically being reasonable and are obviously entitled to draw any inference you like, just as I was probably not being entirely unreasonable in vaguely inferring you might be a Rossi fan) nearly every one involved with the carbon fibre thing is now gone as Lex has said as the price of Rossi's lack of success at Ducati, and the entire integrated chassis idea is completely non-viable now if Ducati were competing without concessions, as every crash which caused a frame loss would involve the loss of 1 of only 5 engines.
I was being vexatious myself about inferences in regard to the CF chassis, after your complaint about my possible inference concerning your allegiances as a fan. I think the view that J4rn0 (who is very informed both in general and in regard to Ducati specifically) has expressed recently ie that the CF chassis had stiffness issues when used in concert with the control tyre is probably correct and was Ducati's explanation; they continued to maintain it would work with an appropriate tyre. However there was also a wide body of opinion up until this year (including my own not necessarily very valuable one) that the problem was the engine, either the power delivery (one of Rossi's main complaints) or the configuration/dimensions, and it was expected that Gigi would also oversee an engine re-design. This has not as yet happened, although they may have changed the electronics, and the concessions regarding fuel and engine numbers may have helped. Gigi has fixed the turning problem without an engine re-design, it has been said by some by changing the weight distribution/re-positioning the engine, which likely he couldn't have done without the conventional aluminium chassis.
From my point of view Rossi started with what he quickly realised was a bad bike (obviously not of his devising), and bailed out for a better ride as was not unreasonable, after what seemed rather desultory efforts as far as the aluminum chassis was concerned; how early in the period of the chassis revamp do you think the Yamaha return was agreed, btw? I would prefer to give credit to those who signed up to fix the Ducati and have at least partially seen this through.
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It is partly an assumption, but as I understood it the engines were actually part of the chassis/a stressed member, not just bolted to it or whatever.
In 2011, as I think has been referenced on this thread, when they brought in the limited engine number rule in the latter part of that season Rossi had to start from pit lane with the aluminium chassis because all the allocated and sealed engines were part of carbon frame chassis, although maybe they wanted a different engine as well.
In 2011, as I think has been referenced on this thread, when they brought in the limited engine number rule in the latter part of that season Rossi had to start from pit lane with the aluminium chassis because all the allocated and sealed engines were part of carbon frame chassis, although maybe they wanted a different engine as well.
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