i think this is the begining of the end of the privateer team in motogp. what do you all think?
this is kind of surprising to hear mid season...
heres the release on superbikeplanet...
Bombshell: KTM Splits With Team Roberts
no more motors for kenny
by dean adams
Friday, August 12, 2005
This other shoe dropping just in from KTM:
MOTO GP KTM - MotoGP Press Release (12.08.2005)
Austrian motorcycle company KTM has announced that it is no longer in a position to act as engine supplier to Team Roberts in the MotoGP World Championship.
The decision was taken after careful consideration by KTM management but does not impact on KTM's participation in other FIM Road Racing categories.
KTM Chief Executive Officer, Mr Stefan Pierer, has confirmed that the company will continue to enter factory teams in the 125cc and 250cc world championships.
In 2006, the KTM 250cc team will be expanded to a two rider squad following the successful debut of the new machine which finished second on the podium at last month's British Grand Prix.
And KTM's three-rider 125cc grand prix team is currently dominating that championship, with three riders in the top six of the points. KTM have won five of the nine Gps so far this season.
The decision to end the supply of the KTM 990cc, V4 engine is based on a number of factors, including the change to the new 800cc MotoGP engine regulations in 2007.
For 2005 KTM's sole aim was to be an engine supplier to a fully operational team. The company's primary interest was engine supply, and not to support a factory-backed KTM MotoGP team.
Team Roberts were free to raise additional sponsorship and funding for the project. KTM recognises that this undertaking has not been an easy task.
To assist the project further KTM made available significant, and additional funding, over and above the cost of engine supply.
KTM contracted and paid team rider Shane ?Shakey' Byrne and agreed to fund the supply of Michelin tires for the MotoGP season.
KTM's current budgets do allow for any request for funding over and above these three key areas -engine supply, rider contract and cost of tires.
KTM management also considered the impact of short-term investment in further development of the 990cc motor, which would become extinct at the end of the 2006 season.
For 2007, another significant investment would be required for an all-new 800cc motor for the MotoGP championship.
For these reasons, and in an effort to focus on their 125 and 250 GP projects, KTM has decided to cease MotoGP engine supply. In light of the new 800cc regulations any future involvement in MotoGP will be taken after a further assessment of the competition requirements best suited for the promotion of the KTM brand.
KTM would like wish Team Roberts every success in its future racing endeavours.
heres the release on superbikeplanet...
Bombshell: KTM Splits With Team Roberts
no more motors for kenny
by dean adams
Friday, August 12, 2005
This other shoe dropping just in from KTM:
MOTO GP KTM - MotoGP Press Release (12.08.2005)
Austrian motorcycle company KTM has announced that it is no longer in a position to act as engine supplier to Team Roberts in the MotoGP World Championship.
The decision was taken after careful consideration by KTM management but does not impact on KTM's participation in other FIM Road Racing categories.
KTM Chief Executive Officer, Mr Stefan Pierer, has confirmed that the company will continue to enter factory teams in the 125cc and 250cc world championships.
In 2006, the KTM 250cc team will be expanded to a two rider squad following the successful debut of the new machine which finished second on the podium at last month's British Grand Prix.
And KTM's three-rider 125cc grand prix team is currently dominating that championship, with three riders in the top six of the points. KTM have won five of the nine Gps so far this season.
The decision to end the supply of the KTM 990cc, V4 engine is based on a number of factors, including the change to the new 800cc MotoGP engine regulations in 2007.
For 2005 KTM's sole aim was to be an engine supplier to a fully operational team. The company's primary interest was engine supply, and not to support a factory-backed KTM MotoGP team.
Team Roberts were free to raise additional sponsorship and funding for the project. KTM recognises that this undertaking has not been an easy task.
To assist the project further KTM made available significant, and additional funding, over and above the cost of engine supply.
KTM contracted and paid team rider Shane ?Shakey' Byrne and agreed to fund the supply of Michelin tires for the MotoGP season.
KTM's current budgets do allow for any request for funding over and above these three key areas -engine supply, rider contract and cost of tires.
KTM management also considered the impact of short-term investment in further development of the 990cc motor, which would become extinct at the end of the 2006 season.
For 2007, another significant investment would be required for an all-new 800cc motor for the MotoGP championship.
For these reasons, and in an effort to focus on their 125 and 250 GP projects, KTM has decided to cease MotoGP engine supply. In light of the new 800cc regulations any future involvement in MotoGP will be taken after a further assessment of the competition requirements best suited for the promotion of the KTM brand.
KTM would like wish Team Roberts every success in its future racing endeavours.
That's not really a big surprise, KTM were making a big effort but the bike was still very slow, so there's no point in pouring money there.
Although it wouldn't surprise me either if KTM came back as a full team (not only engine supplier) in a near future to MotoGP.
Although it wouldn't surprise me either if KTM came back as a full team (not only engine supplier) in a near future to MotoGP.
I hope so too Drill he has imense talent and I would hate that to go to waste.
A full factory KTM team sounds the logical route to me due to their current sucess in 125 & the great start to 250.
A full factory KTM team sounds the logical route to me due to their current sucess in 125 & the great start to 250.
aint we all patriotic shakey is only just another rider who aint gunna make it?
shout me down if im wrong..........
shout me down if im wrong..........
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rossi 46 winner @ Aug 13 2005, 10:27 PM)<div class='quotemain'>aint we all patriotic shakey is only just another rider who aint gunna make it?
shout me down if im wrong..........
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VERY!!!!Truth is Shakey isn`t foreign so he doesn`t have the right people watching him;ie Spanish and Italian big sponsors.These people nurture talent from a young age thru competent junior championships and suchlike.This is what is missing in the UK and the ACU need a huge kick up the arse for letting it happen.And ,46,if Shakey had a Honda or Yam he would run top 5 most tracks AND beat Rossi,Sete ,Max,Barros........
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VERY!!!!Truth is Shakey isn`t foreign so he doesn`t have the right people watching him;ie Spanish and Italian big sponsors.These people nurture talent from a young age thru competent junior championships and suchlike.This is what is missing in the UK and the ACU need a huge kick up the arse for letting it happen.And ,46,if Shakey had a Honda or Yam he would run top 5 most tracks AND beat Rossi,Sete ,Max,Barros........
Nationality is not that important in MotoGP, it may help you to get a seat, but it wont keep you there if you're not good.
Repsol is Spanish and there are no Spaniards in HRC.
Gauloises-Fortuna is French and there are no French riders in Yamaha
Marlboro is American and there are no Americans in Ducati.
Shakey has got what he deserves, he needs to do something better than finishing lapped by the leaders just infront of the WCMs.
He's just an BSB (2nd division) rider.
Repsol is Spanish and there are no Spaniards in HRC.
Gauloises-Fortuna is French and there are no French riders in Yamaha
Marlboro is American and there are no Americans in Ducati.
Shakey has got what he deserves, he needs to do something better than finishing lapped by the leaders just infront of the WCMs.
He's just an BSB (2nd division) rider.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (teomolca @ Aug 14 2005, 02:35 PM)<div class='quotemain'>Nationality is not that important in MotoGP, it may help you to get a seat, but it wont keep you there if you're not good.
Repsol is Spanish and there are no Spaniards in HRC.
Gauloises-Fortuna is French and there are no French riders in Yamaha
Marlboro is American and there are no Americans in Ducati.
Shakey has got what he deserves, he needs to do something better than finishing lapped by the leaders just infront of the WCMs.
He's just an BSB (2nd division) rider.
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Missed the point Teo,generally europe brings on its riders a lot quicker than the UK.Spain has a good national series running efficiently and a lot of european riders can cross country borders to race in it,just pissed that the UK ignores talent.Shakey is in a position that is hard to be noticed-if he doesn`t have the bike how can he ever prove himself,and the same for other riders in lower teams.
Repsol is Spanish and there are no Spaniards in HRC.
Gauloises-Fortuna is French and there are no French riders in Yamaha
Marlboro is American and there are no Americans in Ducati.
Shakey has got what he deserves, he needs to do something better than finishing lapped by the leaders just infront of the WCMs.
He's just an BSB (2nd division) rider.
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Missed the point Teo,generally europe brings on its riders a lot quicker than the UK.Spain has a good national series running efficiently and a lot of european riders can cross country borders to race in it,just pissed that the UK ignores talent.Shakey is in a position that is hard to be noticed-if he doesn`t have the bike how can he ever prove himself,and the same for other riders in lower teams.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rossi 46 winner @ Aug 13 2005, 06:27 PM)<div class='quotemain'>aint we all patriotic shakey is only just another rider who aint gunna make it?
shout me down if im wrong..........
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To you, ANYONE that isn't rossi is "just another rider"
It;s nice you picked the best rider in the world and likely EVER as your favorite rider, but you should really do some more research and what not into these other riders before you insinuate wether they are worthy to be in GP or not.
shout me down if im wrong..........
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To you, ANYONE that isn't rossi is "just another rider"
It;s nice you picked the best rider in the world and likely EVER as your favorite rider, but you should really do some more research and what not into these other riders before you insinuate wether they are worthy to be in GP or not.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GeNeRaL @ Aug 14 2005, 03:40 PM)<div class='quotemain'>To you, ANYONE that isn't rossi is "just another rider"
It;s nice you picked the best rider in the world and likely EVER as your favorite rider, but you should really do some more research and what not into these other riders before you insinuate wether they are worthy to be in GP or not.
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Don`t think I need add to that,bud
It;s nice you picked the best rider in the world and likely EVER as your favorite rider, but you should really do some more research and what not into these other riders before you insinuate wether they are worthy to be in GP or not.
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Don`t think I need add to that,bud
it was just my own point on the matter and if shakey had a honda hed b top 5 hahaha so wheres troy running?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rossi 46 winner @ Aug 15 2005, 11:31 AM)<div class='quotemain'>it was just my own point on the matter and if shakey had a honda hed b top 5 hahaha so wheres troy running?
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Doubting Shakey and Troy eh?I`m gonna let there actions speak for them and see how it pans out.
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Doubting Shakey and Troy eh?I`m gonna let there actions speak for them and see how it pans out.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rossi 46 winner @ Aug 15 2005, 07:31 AM)<div class='quotemain'>it was just my own point on the matter and if shakey had a honda hed b top 5 hahaha so wheres troy running?
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it's easy to be an armchair racer and criticize those who aren't reining world champion. I'm sure shakey would do well on a honda, as would many.
Sometimes things just dont mesh right. At this level, it's not about the rider or the bike, it's about the entire team and how well they work together and understand eachother. How do you know he doesn't have communication issues with his team/mechanics and can't get the bike working right? you don't. You can only make a guess who would fair better than someone who's having a hard time, with no real evidence showing that would be the case.
Maybe i'm just a bit more humble about these riders and their abilities. You don't get to MotoGP and stay 3 years because you aren't good. All of these people are phenominal and worthy.
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it's easy to be an armchair racer and criticize those who aren't reining world champion. I'm sure shakey would do well on a honda, as would many.
Sometimes things just dont mesh right. At this level, it's not about the rider or the bike, it's about the entire team and how well they work together and understand eachother. How do you know he doesn't have communication issues with his team/mechanics and can't get the bike working right? you don't. You can only make a guess who would fair better than someone who's having a hard time, with no real evidence showing that would be the case.
Maybe i'm just a bit more humble about these riders and their abilities. You don't get to MotoGP and stay 3 years because you aren't good. All of these people are phenominal and worthy.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GeNeRaL @ Aug 15 2005, 01:19 PM)<div class='quotemain'>it's easy to be an armchair racer and criticize those who aren't reining world champion. You don't get to MotoGP and stay 3 years because you aren't good. All of these people are phenominal and worthy.
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Too right General. I agree. To be brutally honest i would be very surprised if Shakey got a honda AND finished in top 5, but i would love it obviously.
Just looks very bleak for all the ex superbike guys apart from Nicky and Colin. I just hope the ex superbike guys finish their carreers on a high and start winning races in WSB or BSB or whatever because they are all immense talents.
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Too right General. I agree. To be brutally honest i would be very surprised if Shakey got a honda AND finished in top 5, but i would love it obviously.
Just looks very bleak for all the ex superbike guys apart from Nicky and Colin. I just hope the ex superbike guys finish their carreers on a high and start winning races in WSB or BSB or whatever because they are all immense talents.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RallyeRon @ Aug 15 2005, 12:58 PM)<div class='quotemain'>Too right General. I agree. To be brutally honest i would be very surprised if Shakey got a honda AND finished in top 5, but i would love it obviously.
Just looks very bleak for all the ex superbike guys apart from Nicky and Colin. I just hope the ex superbike guys finish their carreers on a high and start winning races in WSB or BSB or whatever because they are all immense talents.
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Maybe Mladin could join the hopefuls as well next season from AMA SBK,he doesn`t seem to have a lot more to prove and it would give him another chance after his torrid time with the Cagiva whiles ago.
Just looks very bleak for all the ex superbike guys apart from Nicky and Colin. I just hope the ex superbike guys finish their carreers on a high and start winning races in WSB or BSB or whatever because they are all immense talents.
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Maybe Mladin could join the hopefuls as well next season from AMA SBK,he doesn`t seem to have a lot more to prove and it would give him another chance after his torrid time with the Cagiva whiles ago.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (drill @ Aug 15 2005, 10:44 AM)<div class='quotemain'>Maybe Mladin could join the hopefuls as well next season from AMA SBK,he doesn`t seem to have a lot more to prove and it would give him another chance after his torrid time with the Cagiva whiles ago.
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Unfortunately he just signed a three year contract with Suzuki to race in the AMA.
Shakey is a talented rider and to be honest he just was unlucky and IMO he went about getting into MotoGP the wrong way. Ask Neil Hodgson about riding on uncompetitive machinery in MotoGP, you may as well not be out there. That being said it is next to impossible to get a competitive ride after winning a national series, Nicky Hayden is a remarkable exception but to his credit Honda had been watching him since they snatched him up before 1999 and had money from American Honda to help fund his contract with Repsol Honda. I think the best thing Shakey could have done after winning the BSB title in 2003 was look for a WSB ride, I know WSB has lost some of it's reputation but it still has a better reputation than a national series and not only that you gain experience in racing on an international level and racing against the best talents in your class. My opinion but I don't think riding around the rear of the field of MotoGP turns any heads, better luck fighting for world championships in WSB. Look at Vermeulen, rumored to get an HRC ride in 2007 with no WSB crown, not taking any away from Chris but it's easier to turn heads when you're winning than when you are riding to a "brave 15th".
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Unfortunately he just signed a three year contract with Suzuki to race in the AMA.
Shakey is a talented rider and to be honest he just was unlucky and IMO he went about getting into MotoGP the wrong way. Ask Neil Hodgson about riding on uncompetitive machinery in MotoGP, you may as well not be out there. That being said it is next to impossible to get a competitive ride after winning a national series, Nicky Hayden is a remarkable exception but to his credit Honda had been watching him since they snatched him up before 1999 and had money from American Honda to help fund his contract with Repsol Honda. I think the best thing Shakey could have done after winning the BSB title in 2003 was look for a WSB ride, I know WSB has lost some of it's reputation but it still has a better reputation than a national series and not only that you gain experience in racing on an international level and racing against the best talents in your class. My opinion but I don't think riding around the rear of the field of MotoGP turns any heads, better luck fighting for world championships in WSB. Look at Vermeulen, rumored to get an HRC ride in 2007 with no WSB crown, not taking any away from Chris but it's easier to turn heads when you're winning than when you are riding to a "brave 15th".
Well I guess Shakey is young enough to have another bite of the cherry,lets hope he gets on a higher level team, though with WSBK lately being supercompetitive he wouldn`t be wasting his talents for sure.
