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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."


I challenge anyone here, journalists, racers, spectators, and anyone interested to provide evidence to prove or offer substantial evidence that Marc Marquez is guilt of deliberately provoking the incident that eventually led Valentino Rossi to use his machine as a weapon to run his fellow rival off the racing surface.

I believe we are watching a modern day Salem Witch hunt, a modern day McCarthyist Red Scare, a modern day rush to war, an episode where accusations equate to guilt where no substantial voices are standing up to register their disagreement against the Tyranny of Yellow.

The case for Marc Marquez:


So far the "evidence" has quite peculiarly started after Valentino Rossi made baseless accusations. Rossi is the Joseph McCarthy our day.

So far the "evidence" presented has surrounded Race Director Mike Webb's assertion that he believed Marc's 'intention' was false despite offering anything substantive, a rather underwhelming reliance on faith (while of course believing Rossi).

So far Race Direction has explicitly stated they did not issue a ride-through penalty because of the potential impact on "points", that is, they made their decision NOT based on SAFETY! But rather allowed a dangerous rider who was in a fit of rage to continue to circulate on a hot track. Pause and think about this for a moment; they allowed here a man to circulate while his judgment was hammered by the red myst. (Part of the rationale of issuing a ride-through is to refocus and make the rider aware that his on track behavior, being either negligent or reckless, must be rectified, in this case a deliberate action revealed that the perpetrator was not in a stable state of mind. Race Direction must always be inclined to err on the side of safety NOT championship points ramifications, besides clearly Rossi losing it meant he had violated Race Direction's first and paramount mission.)

So far some fans have engaged in microanalysis at the point of contact AFTER the perpetrator had committed his act of assault to then assign blame on Marquez. That is, people have tried to defend the perpetrator Rossi once Marc had been placed in the predicament of being cornered. His actions to evade Rossi's deliberate action of running him off is being used to exonerate the initial act of assault--namely Rossi using his vehicle to run a fellow participant off a stable surface.


So far many fans, journalist, and interested parties have thought it intuitive to placed blame on BOTH men, as if this is proof of impartiality. Accusing Marc must have "provoked" it too, while offering no evidence to support the claim. In effect they have blamed both the bully and the victim. Its an age old way to rationalize fault, but in fact it's flawed.

So far Rossi fans have rationalized that Rossi's actions were only reaction to Marquez' " provocation" and so he deserved it. Again, this has been based on zero evidence, all stemming first from Rossi himself, and second, imagined transgressions while battling for positions. But here is why this rationale is flawed, Its the classic notion that a girl provoked a .... for wearing a short skirt. Its victim shaming.


So far Marc's accusers have used the age of social media and highjacked spaces to change real social injustices and turned them on its head, in an attempt to further advance Marquez' supposed guilt and his role in the perceived injustice that led MotoGP to sanction Rossi. The rationale is that Marquez was guilty therefore Rossi was justify, and so it follows that the penalty should be reversed. Quite a stretch, though absolutely illogical.

So far I've seen no substantial mentioned of the RCVs role or technical aspects of Marc's pace to explain his initial pace, yet it's been a particular element of this year's season amongst the "experts" and heated forum discussion. I know because I've been a part of them. Marc's season has been absolutely defined by his difficulty with a stable race pace, spawning articles on the matter, with extensive dot connecting. Respected journalists have made many technical explanations to describe these anomalies and the 'decline ' of the RCV, the tires, fuel load, front end, grip, etc. yet it's all gone deff. If these technical deficiency existed, did they suddenly evaporate? And real or imagined, how did these technical deficiencies affect the rider in question, Marquez? If he couldn't win, and had difficulty stabilizing his pace was he obliged to pull over and let Rossi through? Of course not, and his determination was misinterpreted by an already mentality sleep deprived paranoia Rossi to retaliate in an act of deliberate violence.

So far we have seen no journalist take a stand, including our friend Kropo, to highlight Marquez's no fault until proven guilty or focus robustly on Rossi's henious act of violence. Again the outlets of public disclosure are allowing the Tyranny of Rossi to ruin yet another rider's reputation, which does have real personal repercussions in the man's life.




I challenge anyone to a debate, i reject that Marc Marquez is guilty of any infraction of rules or even the spirit of the rules for this incident.
 
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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."


I challenge anyone here, journalists, racers, spectators, and anyone interested to provide evidence to prove or offer substantial evidence that Marc Marquez is guilt of deliberately provoking the incident that eventually led Valentino Rossi to use his machine as a weapon to run his fellow rival off the racing surface.

I believe we are watching a modern day Salem Witch hunt, a modern day McCarthyist Red Scare, a modern day rush to war, an episode where accusations equate to guilt where no substantial voices are standing up to register their disagreement against the Tyranny of Yellow.

The case for Marc Marquez:


So far the "evidence" has quite peculiarly started after Valentino Rossi made baseless accusations. Rossi is the Joseph McCarthy our day.

So far the "evidence" presented has surrounded Race Director Mike Webb's assertion that he believed Marc's 'intention' was false despite offering anything substantive, a rather underwhelming reliance on faith (while of course believing Rossi).

So far Race Direction has explicitly stated they did not issue a ride-through penalty because of the potential impact on "points", that is, they made their decision NOT based on SAFETY! But rather allowed a dangerous rider who was in a fit of rage to continue to circulate on a hot track. Pause and think about this for a moment; they allowed here a man to circulate while his judgment was hammered by the red myst. (Part of the rationale of issuing a ride-through is to refocus and make the rider aware that his on track behavior, being either negligent or reckless, must be rectified, in this case a deliberate action revealed that the perpetrator was not in a stable state of mind. Race Direction must always be inclined to err on the side of safety NOT championship points ramifications, besides clearly Rossi losing it meant he had violated Race Direction's first and paramount mission.)

So far some fans have engaged in microanalysis at the point of contact AFTER the perpetrator had committed his act of assault to then assign blame on Marquez. That is, people have tried to defend the perpetrator Rossi once Marc had been placed in the predicament of being cornered. His actions to evade Rossi's deliberate action of running him off is being used to exonerate the initial act of assault--namely Rossi using his vehicle to run a fellow participant off a stable surface.


So far many fans, journalist, and interested parties have thought it intuitive to placed blame on BOTH men, as if this is proof of impartiality. Accusing Marc must have "provoked" it too, while offering no evidence to support the claim. In effect they have blamed both the bully and the victim. Its an age old way to rationalize fault, but in fact it's flawed.

So far Rossi fans have rationalized that Rossi's actions were only reaction to Marquez' " provocation" and so he deserved it. Again, this has been based on zero evidence, all stemming first from Rossi himself, and second, imagined transgressions while battling for positions. But here is why this rationale is flawed, Its the classic notion that a girl provoked a .... for wearing a short skirt. Its victim shaming.


So far Marc's accusers have used the age of social media and highjacked spaces to change real social injustices and turned them on its head, in an attempt to further advance Marquez' supposed guilt and his role in the perceived injustice that led MotoGP to sanction Rossi. The rationale is that Marquez was guilty therefore Rossi was justify, and so it follows that the penalty should be reversed. Quite a stretch, though absolutely illogical.

So far I've seen no substantial mentioned of the RCVs role or technical aspects of Marc's pace to explain his initial pace, yet it's been a particular element of this year's season amongst the "experts" and heated forum discussion. I know because I've been a part of them. Marc's season has been absolutely defined by his difficulty with a stable race pace, spawning articles on the matter, with extensive dot connecting. Respected journalists have made many technical explanations to describe these anomalies and the 'decline ' of the RCV, the tires, fuel load, front end, grip, etc. yet it's all gone deff. If these technical deficiency existed, did they suddenly evaporate? And real or imagined, how did these technical deficiencies affect the rider in question, Marquez? If he couldn't win, and had difficulty stabilizing his pace was he obliged to pull over and let Rossi through? Of course not, and his determination was misinterpreted by an already mentality sleep deprived paranoia Rossi to retaliate in an act of deliberate violence.

So far we have seen no journalist take a stand, including our friend Kropo, to highlight Marquez's no fault until proven guilty or focus robustly on Rossi's henious act of violence. Again the outlets of public disclosure are allowing the Tyranny of Rossi to ruin yet another rider's reputation, which does have real personal repercussions in the man's life.




I challenge anyone to a debate, i reject that Marc Marquez is guilty of any infraction of rules or even the spirit of the rules for this incident.

Mate, you ken the score. The wee ....... is a liability, dangerous for years. .... him, you are better than that. And he says Nicky is gay, what you gonna dae aboot that?
 
Mate, you ken the score. The wee ....... is a liability, dangerous for years. .... him, you are better than that. And he says Nicky is gay, what you gonna dae aboot that?

I'd be interested to hear your view of Marquez too.
 
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Mate, you ken the score. The wee ....... is a liability, dangerous for years. .... him, you are better than that. And he says Nicky is gay, what you gonna dae aboot that?

I love you Pete, and sent you a WhatApp, put the ax down, Marquez is already dead thanks to Rossi.

Past transgressions do not make Marc guilty today. Please point out the details of Marc's on track behavior that was unacceptable. Racing for position and struggling with early race pace has been an element that has defined his season. That Rossi is a contender has absolutely no relevance either, and Rossi know this as he has engaged the contenders before himself. Please provide evidence to support Marc's guilt. Certainly its not that he has ridden like an ....... in the past.


Marc is right, Nicky is gay. I should know, he is my lover. Suck that ......
 
While this is the same thing you keep saying this in every single thread, and I agree with most of it, I do have one question? How has Vale destroyed Marc's life? Just because a bunch of ..... fans have an axe to grind, doesn't mean Marc is finished. The mind games haven't worked for him, and Jorge isn't destroyed as far as I can tell. The only person Vale is destroying is himself. I kind of half expect an apology from him some time I the future. Yes, he Is bat .... crazy at the moment, but I honestly feel the humiliation that was the Ducati years changed his outlook. Do I think him, Jorge, and Marc will be sitting around a campfire any time soon no, but I think in the long run all involved will be able to at least be cordial.

Off topic: As I have stated in the past, I am a fan of Valentino, but I can assure I am not a "bopper." I would like to say thank you to those who have enough intelligence to know the difference.
 
Come on guys. I'm tired of this kicked him off the bike crap. How much force can you really generate in a 2 inch kick while riding a bike? Not enough to knock a man off a bike. It's not a good argument. Marc tried to torpedo vr multiple times and vr handled it.
Marc went out wide and slowed too. Just to screw with vr. Vr looked over at him like what the hell are you doing? Marc leaned in on him and ended up the ground.
I don't even agree Rossi did anything stupid.
Rossi has pulled lots of hard moves in the past. Ya. But while going for wins with the intention of passing and winning.
If Marc did have front end grip issues he had no business throwing it in multiple times on the championship leader especially if he's not in the hunt.
I hope ianonne finds some speed and puts some "legal moves" on Jlo all race long in Valencia.

You said Marc tried to torpedo Rossi multiple times, point out which lap or incident you are talking about at Sepang please. You have based your entire opinion on Marc's provocation, so outline in detail your support for this claim. What evidence can you offer Marc deliberately toyed with Rossi? You also made a statement of rider "intent", that is decidedly a personal element known to the rider, please provide some evidence that supports you know what Marc's "intent" was. Also, please point out posts you have made before the Sepang press conference that supports your historically assessment that you were on to Marc, and had a notion that Marquez was deliberately toying with Rossi to thwart the championship.
 
MM was in the race today with the sole purpose of disturbing VR, and making sure he does not finish higher than JL.
Rossi run wide on purpose, in protest of MM un-sporty manners and intentions. There was no kick – MM run into VR which in turn fended him off. As said here before, MM made deliberate contact with VR on several occasions in this race before the incident.
I think that Jarvis summarizes it the best in his motogp.com comments.
As a Rossi fan, I don’t care about the championship. As a fantasy, I hope VR stays on in coming years with the sole purpose of disturbing each and every race of MM, making sure that he never wins a championship again.

On the question of Marc being guilty of toying with Rossi...

You have made multiple accusations that you know the intentions of Marquez. Please provide some evidence. Its the basis for your entire argument, so lets examine this foundation. Please detail what has led you to believe this notion that Marquez was out to "disturb" Rossi. Also, please point out any posts you have made before last Thursday (one with a time stamp not edited before that time) where you describe your suspicion of Marquez's dirty intentions.
 
Off topic: As I have stated in the past, I am a fan of Valentino, but I can assure I am not a "bopper." I would like to say thank you to those who have enough intelligence to know the difference.

The difference is, genuine fans of Valentino are first and foremost fans of motorcycle racing.

This forum is now flooded with obsessive fanatics again, desperate to defend their cult.
 
Yes. I would assume most boppers will lose any interest in MotoGP when Vale retires.

As for me, I already have two other guys I also support.
 
You said Marc tried to torpedo Rossi multiple times, point out which lap or incident you are talking about at Sepang please. You have based your entire opinion on Marc's provocation, so outline in detail your support for this claim. What evidence can you offer Marc deliberately toyed with Rossi? You also made a statement of rider "intent", that is decidedly a personal element known to the rider, please provide some evidence that supports you know what Marc's "intent" was. Also, please point out posts you have made before the Sepang press conference that supports your historically assessment that you were on to Marc, and had a notion that Marquez was deliberately toying with Rossi to thwart the championship.

I simply think MM had more pace. I could be wrong but I don't think I am. The pass on the corner of the crash looks to me like MM blows by Rossi just to roll off the throttle to let VR by so he can stuff him again as soon as possible. But VR doesn't take the bait. They both crawl to a stall. Not against the rules. But might not hold up the court of public opinion. Marc was the heir to millions of Rossi fans. And it might kill some of you inside but he ...... himself. You may hate VR and that's okay. But like it or not VR's adored by millions. And it might be ok for MM to throw hard moves on Rossi over and over in this situation. And it's okay for jorge to give him the thumbs down when he receives the trophy. But then you must realize it's ok for 50k+ people to boo you all the time. Because it's their right. and there's no rule against it.
As far as my opinion before PI. I had no clue. When Rossi made those statements right after PI I thought is was strange. Then I realized he knew what he was talking about after I saw what went down in Sepang.
 
MM was not an innocent victim. Everyone needs to keep their facts straight, and that includes the race director. He said:

"Finally, we actually believe there is fault on both sides."

"Despite what Marquez said we think he was deliberately trying to affect the pace of Valentino. However he didn't actually break any rules. Whatever we think about the spirit of the championship, according to the rule book he didn't make contact. His passes were clean. He rode within the rules."

OK so MM was lying about riding his own race, but no contact prior to the incident? Did they not watch the same race as the rest of the world? I saw 3-4 previous hits MM made on VR.

So the rules state you can try and take someone out, but as long as you don't it's OK. If one guy falls it's your fault even if the fallen guy is the aggressor?

You stated that it was a matter of "FACT" (we should all keep our 'facts' straight...) That Marc was quilty. To support this claim you quote Mike Webb in a sentence that said, "Despite what Marquez said we think he was deliberately trying to affect the pace of Valentino." That is, Mike Webb made a judgement based on his own belief. You then stated this as FACT by saying, "OK so MM was lying..." So then, the standard of FACT is a person's personal faith. Ok, I believe you are lying to yourself. Therefore YOU are a liar. You see how that works?

So then, what substantial evidence do you have for Marc lying then? Is it Mike Webb's faith? Because Mike Webb also said he believed Rossi when Rossi claimed he didn't 'intend' to make Marc crash.

Mike Webb's assessment is based on a matter of faith here. So TWreck, do you have any hard evidence? I mean other than the circular logic of quoting a guy who based his assessment on a personal hunch then declaring a FACT from it. Faith, the same type of "faith" that people use to believe in Allah, the tooth fairy, Joseph Smith seeing something in a hat, etc. Do you have knowledge of anything we can quantify, or at very least a tortured confession from Marquez, that would help. Also, I know you are knew here, but do you have anything written say in another forum, with a time stamp, which outlined your "belief" based on something credible that points to the notion you were on to Marquez, say before last Thursday
 
Mike Webb opened a Pandora's Box when he made the statement he did.

It should never have been made as it poisoned the well. The ripple effect from his ..... statement has helped to fuel the now global animus towards Marc Marquez.
 
I simply think MM had more pace. I could be wrong but I don't think I am. The pass on the corner of the crash looks to me like MM blows by Rossi just to roll off the throttle to let VR by so he can stuff him again as soon as possible. But VR doesn't take the bait. They both crawl to a stall. Not against the rules. But might not hold up the court of public opinion. Marc was the heir to millions of Rossi fans. And it might kill some of you inside but he ...... himself. You may hate VR and that's okay. But like it or not VR's adored by millions. And it might be ok for MM to throw hard moves on Rossi over and over in this situation. And it's okay for jorge to give him the thumbs down when he receives the trophy. But then you must realize it's ok for 50k+ people to boo you all the time. Because it's their right. and there's no rule against it.
As far as my opinion before PI. I had no clue. When Rossi made those statements right after PI I thought is was strange. Then I realized he knew what he was talking about after I saw what went down in Sepang.

Just for the sake of argument, why can't MM race as he did for whatever reason, given that the stewards have said he was racing legally for position?

Perhaps he was playing mind games to advance his cause against Rossi next year, he thinks Rossi's ego is too big and needs trimming, he laid a personal curse on Rossi privately post-Assen (where MM had no grounds for complaint imo btw) that Valentino would never win another title, or even just likes close faring bashing racing for its own sake. All of these motives have been approved, and indeed lauded, on more than a few occasions when Valentino has raced exactly as MM did in this race.
 

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