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Check the extremely irregular lap times in both races. Of course we'll all explain them away, but the thing about numbers is that they're not up for dabate.
 
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Seriously I ask... you come across this chick in a bar... would you? No judgment.
 
ReddiWhip said:
Check the extremely irregular lap times in both races. Of course we'll all explain them away, but the thing about numbers is that they're not up for dabate.
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That's interesting you say that they are not debatable but then in the same sentence say we will all explain it away?

I think you should begin to see that even if you produce these lap times that they don't prove anything . The lap times can be debated based on a plethora of factors and influences.

Ok post a chart of his lap times then proceed and explain how this proves Marquez is guilty.
 
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okay we simply disagree. I think he had the pace. Rossi thinks he had the pace. Ianonne thought he had the pace in PI. You don't. Perhaps we can agree to disagree.
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Steve my homie, This is not about agree nor disagree. This is about people producing evidence to support accusations which produce implications that affect a person's life.


So you are basing your opinion that Marc had the pace because Rossi and Iannone accused Marcus of shenanigans? Is that correct?

Again so you believe Marc had the pace because a Yamaha and Ducati rider believed the Honda rider was sandbagging? Is that correct?
 
Iowegian said:
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Do you have any evidence to support the claim that Marquez was lying?

If so post it here please.

Also while you're at it can you please direct me to any statements you made that provides any indication that you are on to Marquez shenanigans before last Thursday.
 
Jumkie said:
Do you have any evidence to support the claim that Marquez was lying?

If so post it here please.

Also while you're at it can you please direct me to any statements you made that provides any indication that you are on to Marquez shenanigans before last Thursday.
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My FTFY was that you stated that Rossi fans think the whole world is against him. I was making the point that the boppers are the ones who think it's some wide conspiracy against him.
I am a Rossi fan and I do not believe it is.

I realize when you're a hammer everything looks like a nail, but I wasn't arguing with you.
 
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Jumkie said:
Steve my homie, This is not about agree nor disagree. This is about people producing evidence to support accusations which produce implications that affect a person's life.


So you are basing your opinion that Marc had the pace because Rossi and Iannone accused Marcus of shenanigans? Is that correct?

Again so you believe Marc had the pace because a Yamaha and Ducati rider believed the Honda rider was sandbagging? Is that correct?
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I'm interpreting what i'm seeing with my own eyeballs.
You know what i didn't see with my own eyeballs? is Rossi kicking mm's motorcycle. you know why? because you can't see it. there's a motorcycle in the way. you can speculate that he did. which you have (i think). but no proof.

As far as basing my opinions. It's more than just a hunch. I've never seen anything like it. You keep saying Rossi did the same thing. Which 3 laps in what year did he put trade 15 HARD passes for third place with a title contender when he was out of the hunt? which one exactly?
He raced hard, but NOTHING like this .....
I'm no fool. Marc knew exactly what he was doing. Am I 100%? i'm not infallible. Hell, I thought OJ was guilty and there was mounds of evidence. But i'm a reasonable person. It looked to me that Marc let off to let Rossi get passed multiple times. Like when Rossi is looking back at him untucked waving at him and he just sat right behind.
Sorry fellas. But Marc did .... HIMSELF. no one else is to blame.
good luck to him.
I'm headed to New Orleans Tomorrow, so might not be checking in as often, but you guys have fun.
 
Kropo mentions that Rossi made a point to go ask Pedrosa and Iannone why they raced him so hard. Apparently he must of thought there was some ill intention otherwise where would such a question come from? I believe this absurd inquiry was not only out of line but indication of Rosy's mental state, apart from it also having an effect to possibly bully into submission. This is a fact stated by Krops, the fact that Rossi went out of his way to question another rider as to why they raced HIM with such vigor. (This is already insane, think about this craziness ). Keep in mind fans, that all of us were thrilled to see Pedrosa and Iannone battle with such determination. It was sublime for us. But a thorn in the convoluted psychological mind of Valentino Rossi. It is on the heels of such inquiry that he developed these infamous accusations against Marquez. It could have easily been Pedrosa under the gun. Possibly even Iannone. Perhaps they said the right thing to Rossi - stay there execution.

Now in light of this weird and strange sequence of inquiry, Rossi fans have tied their faith into believing Rossi's accusations are truth.
 
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That's interesting you say that they are not debatable but then in the same sentence say we will all explain it away?

I think you should begin to see that even if you produce these lap times that they don't prove anything . The lap times can be debated based on a plethora of factors and influences.

Ok post a chart of his lap times then proceed and explain how this proves Marquez is guilty.
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My laptop is down and I'm honestly posting from my phone.

I never said the explanation that would attempt to disprove the numbers would be a valid one. You've seen the chart already. It looks like a mountain top.

The only thing we can judge is Marquez fell. So "ofcourse" Rossi wanted to knock Marquez over, right?

As for Marquez, the indisputable answer to his intentions lies solely in his brain. There's plenty of evidence one way or the other, but we don't know for sure. So it's like saying, theres no difinitive evidence that god exists. Someone says, so he must not, and another guy says you can't prove he doesnt, so he does. That's where we're at.

Another way, in terms of the court of law OJ didn't kill anyone, because the burden of proof. Even though to most it appeared that there was plenty of evidence to the contrary.

You know this Jums. I know you enjoy this debate. No one can prove a damn thing, only that Marquez fell.
 
So Jums, it could be argued both ways. I say, look at the lap time chart which looks like a saw tooth. I tell you that's a result of Marquez intentionally effecting the race pace. You say it's because x,y,z. I say give me definitive proof.

Same thing, where's your definitive proof Marquez wasn't effecting the race pace? This is rhetorical ofcourse.

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