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In 2007 Honda and Yamaha were both getting smoked because they screwed up the first year of the 800's. Ducati had the advantage and that is why they dominated. So what if Rossi got Bridgestones. He did nothing against the rules.
Why are you so opposed to other riders trying to get a better product. Your saying Stoner had better tires but its not fair that another rider compete with him on those same tires.
Dovi did it with his brakes while at Tech 3. Are you going to accuse him of cheating now?
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In 2007 Ducati riders finished 1st,2nd,3rd in the championship & Bridgestone runners finished 1,2,3, as well. Oh wait a minute.................
Ducati had a bike in 2007 which was faster if you could ride it, which only 1 rider could do; Marco Melandri did not seem to discern or demonstrate any advantage when he switched from the 2007 Honda 800 to the 2007 Ducati 800 in the post-season test, and Loris Capirossi, a multiple race winner in 2006 finished 7th in the championship with 1 win in a wet-dry race Stoner didn't need to win in 2007. Stoner's method for getting the thing through the corners at a competitive pace remained the only successful method for future 800 Ducatis, and your boy and his long-time crew chief freely admitted they couldn't replicate how Stoner rode the Ducati and considered it basically impossible to do so.
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It was a pity Ducati were denied a switch to Michelin, who after all still won races in 07 in their first year of competing without SNS. And this is the problem 9 times troll, which naturally you will never understand. Yeah sure its ok to allow Rossi to have the best, to change to Bridgestone mid contract, but if that's the case then allow all the riders to change, allow all riders access to have the best equipment at all times, a true competition. That's not what Ezzy or Rossi wants though is it.
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No, I only know how to read ironically.
Took your longer previous post on board and substantially agree. I blame Dorna for handicapping other riders, specifically Stoner, and Rossi taking any advantage he can get is human nature as you said, although rather against the overall master developer narrative; he certainly had nothing to do with Bridgestone's years-long efforts to be competitive with or exceed Michelin, the long term premier tyre provider.
As I have said, what I take issue with is the repeated campaigns of vilification against other elite riders, in which it is now evident Rossi is fully complicit.
Nah Dubs, you are trolling again with your anti-CS views
As I have said many times, or each time you bring up the BS about CS, I will happily take Krop's view which is factored on paddock feedback that CS has a unique ability to describe the manner in which a bike is behaving, to the degree that Krop and other journalists would ask a question of CS where they want a detailed description of the action.
Krop and others have relayed stores of CS' innate ability including the time he took a Ducati out and came straight in, describing to the team the feeling that he was getting from the motor and advising them that something was amiss. The tech checked all telemetry, data and could find nothing so told him to go back out. Half way through the lap, the motor shat itself ............
That is but one story as Nakamoto has relayed similar as have Suppo, Preziosi and Puig to name a few.
Given that these people are in the paddock as are the journalists who have relayed the stories I suspect that they are closer than you or I and such in better position to make the call.
If CS can describe such things that telemetry and data cannot, or simply describe in detail the actions of how tyres flex and what not, then he is more than able to give the feedback required for the Factory to use and develop as, after all, the rider gives feedback whilst the factory develops.
Sure some bikes he has ridden did not produce the same results year on year but does that philosophy also not make VR a poor developer as he had years where he won a title then did not the following year, or what of Lorenzo or Marquez who have similar?
I have NFI as to whether CS is a good developer, but from media and motogp insider reports, his feedback was second to none in terms of what he could identify and describe, thus he more than played his part.
Let us also not forget that he identified the motor issue at HRC but was ignored in favour of Marquez's feedback (confirmed by HRC) with regards the 2015 Honda.
So all retired racers are ....... because they quit?
Is Rossi a ..... also because he quit Mugello, I mean he should have kept trying should he not?
Is not that what a racer would do given that they do not quit?
Or are rules different depending on nationality, #of titles, colour of underwear and whether one knocked back a 20 mill salary
But he did not finish each race above Nicky did he?
If we are to nitpick, then let us nit pick every component
If you are referring to the scooter incident, it is very well documented so not a Jumkie make up.
Suggest you google it if you do not recall or believe
He got one, a chance to ride a damn machine thaht most of us would give our testicles to try to ride whilst enjoying a paid holiday and driving around in a supplied Lamborghini.
Absolutely no rules broken but the issue that many have is that Bridgestone made a public statement saying that they could not provide tyres for another rider.
It was documented that a dummy then got spat whilst toys were thrown from a sandpit as someone threatened to quit the sport if he could not get the same tyres (this has been written of by some journalists and to be fair, I have not seen denials - not that that means much). Low and behold, suddenly Bridgestone could supply an extra rider but could not supply the entire team involved.
Whether VR's switch which did occur at year end was worse that the mid year switch of another, I would say not as but if influence was applied by either involved then that I feel is an issue where a manufacturer is forced to supply riders over and above their capabilities
Melandri and Loris have been the 2nd best rider for most of their careers. You can hardly base the greatness of Stoner on their performances.
I was disputing your contention that the 2007 Ducati on Bridgestones was a totally dominant bike in anyone's hands but Stoner's actually, evidence for which is completely lacking; if you impute greatness for Stoner from this that is your prerogative.
As I said, well credentialed riders like Capirossi and Melandri who had won 3 races each in 2006, a year in which Rossi won 5, could not get near Stoner on that "markedly superior" 2007 Ducati, and nor could Rossi on the evil 2010 bike which Stoner had taken to second and a fastest lap at the same track only 2 days before. I think Melandri's first lap experience had fairly strong parallels to Rossi's actually, and Rossi is on the record as being mystified Stoner could be competitive on the thing at all. If you choose not to believe your boy that is fine with me, I often don't believe him either, particularly last year.
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The bike still needed riding
Applying your analogy, given Rossi used his overarching influence to pressure Dorna to use their influence to break him out of his contract with Michelin mid-season, something unprecedented in the history of the sport, one would say that that Rossi had Dorna pay for .... enhancement surgery. The fact that he was paying attention to how big everyone else's dicks were is a bit troubling as well.
You (and I mean you in particular) would likely be inclined to say, well, it's only tires. But the influence of tires is enormous. What Rossi did was no less outrageous than if he'd insisted on Yamaha running a Ducati engine in the Yamaha chassis.
There is no question that Rossi threatened to quit the series mid-season if he didn't get his way. This is not merely some childish prat spitting the dummy; Rossi knew full well that leaving the series mid-season would result in huge financial losses to Dorna due to hugely decreased viewership and attendance by his immense fan base. And note, he didn't insist on B-Stones for the team; just for him alone. Rossi doesn't care about the team, or the sport; he only cares about winning another piece of plastic and metal to put up on the shelf with all the others. This is BTW, the defining difference between him and Stoner, who rode what he had and did magical stuff.
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I don't recall Rossi leaving mid season.
Yes he started the chatter mid-season but he stayed with Michelin until the season ended although did make his demands (as opposed to wishes) well known through the season
Pedrosa on the other hand, had to wait until the middle of the year until HRC then started to make similar threats before he got his tyres (mid season)
Yes he started the chatter mid-season but he stayed with Michelin until the season ended although did make his demands (as opposed to wishes) well known through the season
Pedrosa on the other hand, had to wait until the middle of the year until HRC then started to make similar threats before he got his tyres (mid season)
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This had me rolling. I know exactly what 'you' means.
To add regarding Rossi's demands and delivery, he ask Ducati to put a Ducati engine in a Yamahaesk chassis. And it happened!
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Um yeah cos rossi cheats so much ...... its bound to happen.
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