Suzuki unhappy with Vinalez helping Rossi

NJIRK · May 29, 2016

According to this website Suzuki wasn't happy with Vinalez giving a draft to Rossi. Which made Vinalez and Suzuki miss pole position at Mugello.

Link:
https://motorlands.eu/2016/05/29/suzukis-management-recall-vinales/

Jumkie · May 29, 2016

Very interesting. I wouldn't doubt Suzuki were upset. To miss out on a pole at Mugello was huge. Big news and an accomplishment lost because Rossi already has this kid under his thumb.

I've marveled at how getting a tow has been 'debated' recently as if suddenly it's a neutral tactic rather than one which is considered deplorable and dishonorable. We've know catching a tow is a chickenshit tactic for years, it's why we used to make fun of Hector Barbera; but because Lorenzo points it out specifically with his 'tricycle' pitboard well then NOW it is another reason for Rossi fans to hate Jorge. If Lorenzo said cancer is bad Rossi fans would be upset, arguing Lorenzo is an ....... to cancer.

Getting a tow is a disgraceful tactic. Rossi has been employing it this year because he is DESPERATE. Using the effort of another rider to gain an advantage in qualifying is dishonorable. It was a chickenshit tactic before and it still is a chickenshit tactic now.

yamfan · May 29, 2016

Jumkie said:
Very interesting. I wouldn't doubt Suzuki were upset. To miss out on a pole at Mugello was huge. Big news and an accomplishment lost because Rossi already has this kid under his thumb.

I've marveled at how getting a tow has been 'debated' recently as if suddenly it's a neutral tactic rather than one which is considered deplorable and dishonorable. We've know catching a tow is a chickenshit tactic for years, it's why we used to make fun of Hector Barbera; but because Lorenzo points it out specifically with his 'tricycle' pitboard well then NOW it is another reason for Rossi fans to hate Jorge. If Lorenzo said cancer is bad Rossi fans would be upset, arguing Lorenzo is an ....... to cancer.

Getting a tow is a disgraceful tactic. Rossi has been employing it this year because he is DESPERATE. Using the effort of another rider to gain an advantage in qualifying is dishonorable. It was a chickenshit tactic before and it still is a chickenshit tactic now.

Amazing that "the great one" is adopting the very tactics that he was flapping and complaining about when he broke his leg in 2010. More hypocrisy from the supposed goat, if he can't find his way around Mugello without someone else showing him how, maybe he should just retire.

evo9 · May 29, 2016

but its rossi......................... so chickenshit is good! And the yellow nation will eat it every round it is offered. As for mindless Vinalez. I hope Suzuki pull a Honda 2003.

Keshav · May 29, 2016

Don't know that Vinales really had much choice. What was he supposed to do? Pull over to the curb and wait for Rossi to pass, and then lose heat in his tires, and his momentum? In the new 15 minute format options in quali are limited.

Moreover - drafting in the course of a race has always been a fundementally standard practice. And quali is just another kind of racing.

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evo9 · May 29, 2016

Didn't It had already happened prior to the pisano round?

moto vudu · May 29, 2016

Vinales didn't give Rossi anything. Motogp.com has Rossi's pole lap from the helicopter view and it's clear that when starting the lap Rossi was at least 15 - 20 bike lengths behind Vinales. Rossi caught up to Vinales near the final sector and was in a good position to draft on the straight. TBH, there really wasn't anything either rider could do about it unless Rossi attempted to pass Vinales which would've been ....... stupid. Unless Suzuki believes Vinales slowed down to allow Rossi to catch up to him, I don't know what they're upset at him for. I imagine Suzuki is simply butthurt that Vinales is ditching them for a better team/bike.

Jumkie · May 29, 2016

Vudu, you might want to get your story straight with Rossi, because he admitted to getting help from the tow. It doesn't help that you're denying something he already copped to buddy.

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Keshav · May 29, 2016

Also note: Nobody is singling Iannone for abuse and he spent the entire session right on Lorenzo's tail. Just re-watched quali and commentators were remarking that Rossi looked good to take the pole - when he was 20 bike lengths behind Vinales.

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moto vudu · May 29, 2016

Jumkie said:
Vudu, you might want to get your story straight with Rossi, because he admitted to getting help from the tow. It doesn't help that you're denying something he already copped to buddy.

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WTF are you talking about? I clearly said Rossi chased down Vinales and drafted on the straight.

moto vudu · May 29, 2016

Some screenshots (since Jumkie can't read, he needs pics to understand) of the start of Rossi's pole lap to illustrate that Rossi wasn't initially in the slipstream, but caught up to Vinales later in the lap THEN used the slipstream on the straight.

I could keep taking screenshots of the rest of the lap, but hopefully you get the point. The aerial view showed that Rossi was making up time on Vinales by braking later and he got himself into position to slipstream on the straight by being FASTER than Vinales for the first 3 sectors. Vinales wasn't purposely helping him.

Jumkie · May 29, 2016

You don't need to be right behind at the START of the lap genius. The tow happens at the end. Give me the screenshot at the end of the lap. Put that up.

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Jumkie · May 29, 2016

moto vudu said:
WTF are you talking about? I clearly said Rossi chased down Vinales and drafted on the straight.

That's called a TOW.

moto vudu · May 29, 2016

Jumkie said:
You don't need to be right behind at the START of the lap genius. The tow happens at the end. Give me the screenshot at the end of the lap. Put that up.

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Jumkie said:
That's called a TOW.

If Rossi wasn't faster than Vinales, he never would've caught up to him to be able to slipstream him on the straight! That's the point. You're acting like Rossi only got pole because he was in Vinales' slipstream getting towed around the lap. He didn't catch Vinales in acceleration zones because of a tow, he closed the distance in all the braking zones. The slipstream on the straight to get under the last bit of time to get pole was the payoff for excellent riding earlier in the lap.

Jumkie · May 29, 2016

moto vudu said:
If Rossi wasn't faster than Vinales, he never would've caught up to him to be able to slipstream him on the straight! That's the point. You're acting like Rossi only got pole because he was in Vinales' slipstream getting towed around the lap. He didn't catch Vinales in acceleration zones because of a tow, he closed the distance in all the braking zones. The slipstream on the straight to get under the last bit of time to get pole was the payoff for excellent riding earlier in the lap.

"I think today anyway Maverick is not very happy I was behind because if he wasn’t behind, he would be on pole position.” Rossi

Let me explain this to you, Rossi is admitting if he doesn't tow Viñalez, the Spaniard gets the pole. Rossi used him like a whore. You can spin it all you want but Rossi ran that lap to catch Viñalez at the point where a tenth makes the difference. That's the whole point. Without it Rossi comes 2nd in qualifying and Viñalez in pole, by Rossi’s own admission. But you want to argue different to what he's already admitted. Just like a typical Bopper. Screw reality, I'll just make up my own explanation.

moto vudu · May 29, 2016

Jumkie said:
"I think today anyway Maverick is not very happy I was behind because if he wasn’t behind, he would be on pole position.” Rossi

Let me explain this to you, Rossi is admitting if he doesn't tow Viñalez, the Spaniard gets the pole. Rossi used him like a whore. You can spin it all you want but Rossi ran that lap to catch Viñalez at the point where a tenth makes the difference. That's the whole point. Without it Rossi comes 2nd in qualifying and Viñalez in pole, by Rossi’s own admission. But you want to argue different to what he's already admitted. Just like a typical Bopper. Screw reality, I'll just make up my own explanation.

You really have trouble comprehending. At no point did I say that Rossi would've been on pole without using the slipstream on the straight. You just can't ....... read. I just posted:

"The slipstream on the straight to get under the last bit of time to get pole was the payoff for excellent riding earlier in the lap."

The point is if Vinales was faster than Rossi or if they had the same pace, the gap between them would've been the same (or greater) going onto the front straight as it was at the START of the lap!! The slipstream was only possible because Rossi was fast enough to catch him. There's no way around that fact. So yes, without the slipstream Rossi likely would've got 2nd, but he also would've been 2nd (or 3rd) if he wasn't fast enough to catch Vinales.

Jumkie · May 29, 2016

Bopper logic. You don't understand the dynamic of a lap. You and your ilk are hung up with this notion that because visually Rossi was several bike lengths behind Viñalez then Rossi did it on his own. But him pushing all lap is what they all do. Without the tow that 0.094 would have meant 2nd or even 3rd. That's the nature of a tow.

You posted a bunch of screenshots to prove what? Without that tow Rossi's lap is NOT pole, period. Who gives a .... if he was good on the brakes it still wouldn't have been enough! 0.094sec isn't a lot, but it's what a tow is worth. 0.095 means a 2nd. That is--a lap SLOWER than Viñalez! Late braking means ....! I'm laughing at how elementary your understanding is, posting screen shots showing Rossi several bike lengths back, you can not imagine what it means, something ENTIRELY DIFFERENT than what you understand, like Viñalez coming into the lap better than Rossi! Forcing Rossi to make up time DURING the lap. Why don't you pose it like that? Throughout a lap riders ebb and flow. But it's clear, Rossi timed it to catch a TOW because without it he wasn't capable of doing it on his own!

What those screenshots show is Viñalez coming into the lap BETTER than Rossi.

TOW TOW TOW, repeat it. Rossi is desperate and has resorted to chickenshit tactics that everyone knows is dishonorable. He couldn't do it on his own. No Viñalez to TOW no pole.

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moto vudu · May 29, 2016

Jumkie said:
Bopper logic. You don't understand the dynamic of a lap. You and your ilk are hung up with this notion that because visually Rossi was several bike lengths behind Viñalez then Rossi did it on his own. But him pushing all lap is what they all do. Without the tow that 0.094 would have meant 2nd or even 3rd. That's the nature of a tow.

You posted a bunch of screenshots to prove what? Without that tow Rossi's lap is NOT pole, period. Who gives a .... if he was good on the brakes it still wouldn't have been enough! 0.094sec isn't a lot, but it's what a tow is worth. 0.095 means a 2nd. That is--a lap SLOWER than Viñalez! Late braking means ....! I'm laughing at how elementary your understanding is, posting screen shots showing Rossi several bike lengths back, you can not imagine what it means, something ENTIRELY DIFFERENT than what you understand, like Viñalez coming into the lap better than Rossi! Forcing Rossi to make up time DURING the lap. Why don't you pose it like that? Throughout a lap riders ebb and flow. But it's clear, Rossi timed it to catch a TOW because without it he wasn't capable of doing it on his own!

What those screenshots show is Viñalez coming into the lap BETTER than Rossi.

TOW TOW TOW, repeat it. Rossi is desperate and has resorted to chickenshit tactics that everyone knows is dishonorable. He couldn't do it on his own. No Viñalez to TOW no pole.

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Maybe if you watched the lap again you'd notice that after Rossi caught up to Vinales halfway through the lap, he got a red sector time for his 3rd sector. That means Rossi was on pace for pole even BEFORE he used the slipstream on the straight.

Of course doesn't mean for sure he would've got pole without the slipstream because perhaps he lost a little time in the 4th sector then gained it back (plus a little more) from the tow. Nevertheless, he was on pace for pole BEFORE the slipstream on the straight.

Sure is a lot of focus on Rossi's slipstream from Vinales, but about 5 minutes before that Vinales was slipstreaming Rossi to set his fast lap for the first half of qualifying. Was Suzuki mad at MV for that too?

CharlieParker · May 29, 2016

Towing is chickenshit. So is copying during math tests at school (all the rights for this analogy belong to the very own master of ethics gentleman Jorge. Only thing is: he didn't mean it as a joke... oh, the good kid he must have been...). I would also add as another valuable example losing virginity before marriage. Chickenshit at its finest as well.

Real racing MEN (unlike the chickenshits) always do it without the help of anyone on the track. Always on their own strictly with their own effort! During all practices, qualies, races, and stages of the season. Championship defining moments too, of course! Forever alone JLo.

feros · May 29, 2016

Jumkie said:
Getting a tow is a disgraceful tactic. Rossi has been employing it this year because he is DESPERATE. Using the effort of another rider to gain an advantage in qualifying is dishonorable. It was a chickenshit tactic before and it still is a chickenshit tactic now.

actually i agree with this, and he was getting a tow last season too. but man there is a difference between sneaking behind somebody and take advantage or actually admittedly helping each other out, in this case its the later one. none of them mind it. plus its the off weekend, no hot topic,usually these site have to make some .... up for clicks, and it seems like nothing gets more clicks than rossi's name in the article so i wouldnt read too much into it as i dont think any of em mind really (even the teams)

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