Suzuka 8hr 2015

SuperManatee said:

Great question Shovel. Noone here really gives a .... because they were too busy masturbating over an ungratefull has been that left them at the alter years ago. This thread was never about the actual race, it was all about the pathetic fantasies of a few fanboys that spend their days dreaming about the glorious return of their messiah. In all the years I've been on this forum I don't recall ever seeing any interest or threads about Suzuka.
I feel bad for VanDer Mark and Takahashi. These seasoned endurance racers were trying to defend their hard earned titles and it was all thrown away because a bored millionaire had a selfish whim. Not his first selfish whim either. He tried the same horseshit with the V8 Supercars until he got bored and left his team at the unemployment line.
Congrats to Yamaha. Nice to see Honda get beat at their own event

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Funny thing, I was having the same thought! Wondering how the hell this thread and this place could end up with so much content! I still can't believe they haven't changed the name to boners.org.

The R1 looked incredible yesterday and should be the focus of the discussion, in another class even. And all three riders were amazing. Always happy to see Honda get beaten and a big congrats to Yamaha on that machine, clearly they've done a lot of work, I've even seen images of Rossi testing the R1 at misano recently. No one was beating them, even though the amount of pace cars tried hard to even things up!

As for Stoner, well the gods of motorcycle racing can be unkind.....

Talpa said:

Funny thing, I was having the same thought! Wondering how the hell this thread and this place could end up with so much content! I still can't believe they haven't changed the name to boners.org.



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Im guessing you never read the "content" and only showed up at the end to infer that The Yamaha only won because Rossi developed it

shovelhead said:

Who won the race?

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Post 350 has the winner (Sun mentions them) but at that stage I suspect getting a sheet of full results was not easy (I know I looked when posting 351)



Here is the top 10 - still trying to get the full results in legible form (EDIT - refer post 358 for link to full results)

1. Nakasuga/Espargaro/Smith Yamaha Factory Racing #21 204 laps
2. Aegerter/Hook/Smith FCC TSR Honda #778 +1m 17.411s
3. Kagayama/Haga/Kiyonari Team Kagayama Suzuki #17 -1 lap
4. Philippe/Delhalle/Masson Suzuki Endurance Racing Team #30 -2 laps
5. Tsuda/Lowes/Waters Yoshimura Suzuki #12 -3 laps
6. Checa/Foray/Gines GMT94 Yamaha #94 -3 laps
7. Costa/Gimbert/Foray Honda Endurance Racing #111 -3 laps
8. Hiura/Kamei/Yasuda Honda Suzuka Racing Team #25 -4 laps
9. Yanagawa/Yudhistira/Watanabe Team Green Kawasaki #87 -5 laps
10. Konno/Aoki/Ogata Motomap Supply Suzuki #32 -5 laps



Have also found - MotoGP News - Casey Stoner, Honda talk Suzuka 8 Hours accident
Updated after statement from Honda confirms Casey Stoner's throttle was stuck '26 degrees open' during accident at Suzuka.


On Sunday night, Honda issued the following statement:

'The team had to wait until the end of the race for the bike to be returned so they could exam what caused the accident. Together with HRC staff, the team checked the machine, and confirmed from the data that the throttle was 26 degrees open before the crash. It wasn't clear why this happened and now the bike will be sent to HRC for a full inspection.'

Stoner was then quoted as follows:

“I am really disappointed that the Suzuka 8 hours has ended like this. We have done a lot of work over the last few weeks to get accustomed to the bike and the track and work towards a setting that made all of us quite comfortable. We really felt that the race and everything had gone as we planned so far, we were very relaxed and comfortable and making sure we saved the tyres and the fuel to stretch the stint as long as we could.

“Unfortunately, we experienced some mechanical trouble as I was going through the corner leading up to the hairpin.

“In this corner I did not have enough time to pull the clutch and have another go at the turn as I came in with too much speed, I picked the bike up to try to slow down more but I was heading towards the wall so I decided to lay it over and hit the barrier but unfortunately, they were a lot harder than they looked and we came out of it with a broken bone in the ankle and broken scapular [shoulder blade].

“Big thanks to everybody in the team, especially my team mates Michael van der Mark and Takumi Takahashi. They have done a fantastic job over these weeks and this weekend especially. And I would just like to thank the team for how much effort everybody has put in. Their professionalism was outstanding and I really enjoyed working with them. I am very sorry that we could not achieve the strong result I believe we could have.”

WSBK star Michael van der Mark, who had been due to ride the #634 bike after Stoner, added: “Today was disappointing race. I think we had a strong pace compared to other teams. So good result had must have been possible. Things happen in racing. Casey was really unlucky with the crash. I hope he will be in fit soon.”

Gaz said:

hERE IS THE TOP 10 - STILL TRYING TO GET FULL RESULTS IN A LEGIBLE FORM

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Post 358 links to full FIM results sheet. PDF format.

Mick D said:

Post 358 links to full FIM results sheet. PDF format.

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Thanks Mick, had missed that

Was trying to find a table but that PDF is good enough as it serves the purpose I was after (checking on all the Aussies)

Mind you, that PDF does also show that people need to take notice of flags

Congrats to yam. Further proving themselves this year.

I would have fully expected Espargaro and Smith to crash out at some point, perhaps someone sat them down and explained what endurance racing is, kudos to them.

I read a quote from a GP rider recently, I believe it was Crutchlow where he was saying that it takes time to acclimate to riding at 200mph, mentally and physically. You cant simulate race conditions in practice. Your mental acuity, reflexes and judgement skills can only be sharpened through riding in anger. It was foolhardy for Honda to put a guy on the bike who hasnt strapped it on competitively in 3 years. Stoner should have known better and could have ran some club events or WSBK races to acclimate. But this is Stoner, who never has been one to put in the work so when complications arose his reflex is to immediately toss the bike. Maybe he could've saved it or maybe the incident never would've happened if he was a bit more seasoned.
As for the audio of a bike pinging the rev limiter, I am doubtful that was Stoners bike. How could a bike be at redline with a throttle only 26% open.

Though I agree with the general notion that practice and testing and going out on friendly bicycle ride doesn't prepare a person for the mental setting that is required for racing. I'm not quite sure you are using the best source to make the point.


Hasn't quite helped Crotchless to avoid crashing on a regular basis. I would try to find someone better to quote to make your point Slow ManWeanie.

SuperManatee said:

I read a quote from a GP rider recently, I believe it was Crutchlow where he was saying that it takes time to acclimate to riding at 200mph, mentally and physically. You cant simulate race conditions in practice. Your mental acuity, reflexes and judgement skills can only be sharpened through riding in anger. It was foolhardy for Honda to put a guy on the bike who hasnt strapped it on competitively in 3 years. Stoner should have known better and could have ran some club events or WSBK races to acclimate. But this is Stoner, who never has been one to put in the work so when complications arose his reflex is to immediately toss the bike. Maybe he could've saved it or maybe the incident never would've happened if he was a bit more seasoned.
As for the audio of a bike pinging the rev limiter, I am doubtful that was Stoners bike. How could a bike be at redline with a throttle only 26% open.

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You're an ......

Honda confirmed that the throttle stuck.

I've redlined my own bike numerous times being at 1/4 throttle at best, it takes longer than 100% throttle. You can do the same thing in a car...my guess is you never rode a bike since you're used to your automatic Honda del Sol shifting up into higher gears when you tried only 25% throttle.

Here's what probably happened, coming out of Degner's double right, it's full throttle down to the kink that leads into Spoon. You would already be rolling off throttle because you have a heavy braking zone into Spoon, and as such rolling off throttle in a lower gear (not 6th or 5th or 4th) would have you potentially at 26% throttle at high RPM's.

Also in case you didn't notice there's a barrier right there, trying to ride the bike out would put you head on into them and launch you over them onto the other side of the track you dumb .............

JPSLotus said:

You're an ......

Honda confirmed that the throttle stuck.

I've redlined my own bike numerous times being at 1/4 throttle at best, it takes longer than 100% throttle. You can do the same thing in a car...my guess is you never rode a bike since you're used to your automatic Honda del Sol shifting up into higher gears when you tried only 25% throttle.

Here's what probably happened, coming out of Degner's double right, it's full throttle down to the kink that leads into Spoon. You would already be rolling off throttle because you have a heavy braking zone into Spoon, and as such rolling off throttle in a lower gear (not 6th or 5th or 4th) would have you potentially at 26% throttle at high RPM's.

Also in case you didn't notice there's a barrier right there, trying to ride the bike out would put you head on into them and launch you over them onto the other side of the track you dumb .............

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Better get that "bike" of yours looked at chief, cause none of my bikes do that. Mine just makes a nasty growl and sits at about 6k rpm before chucking a flame out the pipes when i close it.....

How much do they get for winning Suzuka?

SuperManatee said:

I read a quote from a GP rider recently, I believe it was Crutchlow where he was saying that it takes time to acclimate to riding at 200mph, mentally and physically. You cant simulate race conditions in practice. Your mental acuity, reflexes and judgement skills can only be sharpened through riding in anger. It was foolhardy for Honda to put a guy on the bike who hasnt strapped it on competitively in 3 years. Stoner should have known better and could have ran some club events or WSBK races to acclimate. But this is Stoner, who never has been one to put in the work so when complications arose his reflex is to immediately toss the bike. Maybe he could've saved it or maybe the incident never would've happened if he was a bit more seasoned.
As for the audio of a bike pinging the rev limiter, I am doubtful that was Stoners bike. How could a bike be at redline with a throttle only 26% open.

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Honda's statement said 26 degrees which is significantly different to 26% and it is possible that the 26 degrees could (theoretically) acquaint to near full throttle depending on their individual technical setup and the start point of the degree measurement.

As for the rest, whilst possible I doubt that any of the perceived failings that some hold of Stoner such as his lack of fitness, the fact the puts his shoes on left foot first or even the fact that apparently he once left a series he no longer enjoyed after knocking back a small piggy bank of change is going to change the obsessive like opinions of hatred and disparaging that some hold.

FWIW, his times across the weekend were extremely competitive and comfortably the fastest within his team (his time on the Honda was beaten by the team that came 2nd). No lack of fitness caused the incident either as it was on lap 5 of his stint and at that point he would still have had full mental focus (unlike me who would have pissed himself at the opportunity to ride at Suzuka).

The incident itself and the manner of reactions (despite the doubters) was apparently immediately called on commentary by some ex-racers as a stuck throttle (I understand that Terry Rymer called it as such on english commentary) and the manner of reaction has again been stated as correct which to me indicates that there was no 'oh ...., slow reflex' response at all but rather the response of someone who knows what and how to react in that circumstance and at that speed.

Whilst Honda may be disappointed in that they did not win the race, the sheer fact that because of Stoner's presence the media and fan interest in countries has risen shows that no matter how much the hatred for the guy, he still elicits publicity (respect to Pol and Smith as well, their presence did also play a part but from that which I have read Stoner's presence seemed the greater).

As for three years in the wilderness, well I look at it in the manner that says that he has been riding bikes regularly (off road) and that certainly it will take time to attune oneself to the rigors of racing but Stoner had competed at a number of practice sessions which are a shared session and is still quite fit. The statement to which you refer may be true of some but I suspect that of the pure elite it is not the mental more so the physicality of long stints etc and as mentioned, the accident happened on lap 5 so to early for the physical side to be at play

The point that does seem to be over looked is that Honda have backed Stoner's comments that the throttle stuck which given their propensity to sheet blame elsewhere is a major change in direction

Well said as usual Gaz.

If Casey ever went back to MotoGP, the ratings would go up, not down.

SuperManatee said:

I read a quote from a GP rider recently, I believe it was Crutchlow where he was saying that it takes time to acclimate to riding at 200mph, mentally and physically. You cant simulate race conditions in practice. Your mental acuity, reflexes and judgement skills can only be sharpened through riding in anger. It was foolhardy for Honda to put a guy on the bike who hasnt strapped it on competitively in 3 years. Stoner should have known better and could have ran some club events or WSBK races to acclimate. But this is Stoner, who never has been one to put in the work so when complications arose his reflex is to immediately toss the bike. Maybe he could've saved it or maybe the incident never would've happened if he was a bit more seasoned.
As for the audio of a bike pinging the rev limiter, I am doubtful that was Stoners bike. How could a bike be at redline with a throttle only 26% open.

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Kevin "I like crying" Schwantz.

AntG said:

How much do they get for winning Suzuka?

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5 dollars, split three ways.

After comission

Back the the Stoner incident. Even a slightly open throttle when at the limit and when you are expecting 0% throttle can make things go south very quickly.

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After comission

Back the the Stoner incident. Even a slightly open throttle when at the limit and when you are expecting 0% throttle can make things go south very quickly.

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Spot on.
If it was 26 or whatever degrees (dunno whether it was as the handgrip or the butterflies), when you're expecting no push from the engine, it'd be terrifying.

Indeed, infact at that point you'd be expecting engine braking, not engine pushing!

It's amazing how much vitriol Casey still draws on all the various sites on the internet, he is the cowboy in the black hat, the thorn in MotoGP fans sides, all because he came along and beat the superstar and called out all the ........ that riddles the sport.

I never really cared for the guy until people started belittling him, but then I've always preferred the less popular guy, Stoner over Rossi, Dunlop over Martin and if I'd been around back in the day I'm pretty sure I'd have supported Roberts over Sheene