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Everyone who supports and races Moto GP knows the growing Probelm in Electronics making the sport very boring to watch.

Moto GP has'nt always been like this but the new addition of Traction Control has made the sport that was thrilling, unpredictable and close racing in to far spread and boring races.

But there is some hope for Moto GP and that is to help the banning of Electronics by joining this support site on banning it. The link to the site is http://bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=5241378902 , you need to create an account and sign the blog.

The creaters of the site are going to E-Mail the FIM and if he have enough people supporting the ban we may be able to get electronics out of the sport.

The head of the FIM knows that Moto GP riders Rossi, Cappirossi and Barros all support the ban on electronics.

Thank you for your support if you join.
 
i've signed it
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kez_91 @ Jan 15 2008, 12:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i've signed it
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as did i
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...was it me or was that site a bit of a pain in the ... to navigate and register?
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i find it alrigh't because i've been registered on bebo for a few years, so im used to it
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They want the sort of racing where riders crash into each other in vital moments?!
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signs

Although it won't do 'owt, it's Bebo for gawds sake!
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I won't sign it, sorry. There's a difference between 'rider aids' and 'electronics' in general. Electronics ranges from ECU's to fly by wire, not just TC.
 
I'm still stunned as to why Rossi, who has won on TC the most of any rider in history, now is saying its a bad thing?????????
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jan 16 2008, 01:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm still stunned as to why Rossi, who has won on TC the most of any rider in history, now is saying its a bad thing?????????
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TC was never this influential to everything... funny how he won up until 2005 when the bikes were still arguably sliding around (2005 i feel was the first year of this crap starting and becoming progessively more influential)
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Jan 16 2008, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>bikes were still arguably sliding around

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If you have to say this surely you know you are having yourself on
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Ok here's one for you ....... ask yourself ..... what actual physical characteristic was it with 4 strokes, that 2 strokes do not exhibit to as bad an extent, that was needed to be tamed to make 4 strokes useable for racers?? ..... It was dealt with during the first inkling of 4 strokes coming in as development riders hated ...... the extreme backing off of 4 strokes and the individual engine power pulses, that 4 strokes develop, that can instigate a slide ...... this was pretty much tamed before 4 strokes re-entered GP, thats TC. What has hapend since then is just pure development.
If you want to feel a raw 4 stroke ..... go out and ride an old JAP ...... though I would add the rawness of a 4 stroke is handy in speedway to both instigate and maintain a very easy slide. But for road use!! ???
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Sure Rossi didn't seem to do much sliding around this year, Stoner looked wilder in that respect, but to blame TC for that is just denying what may have to be accepted ...... Rossi is not as young as he once was.

I note Capi and Barros are reportedly backing a ban ........ well ......
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I really think we have to accept that 800cc is a lot tamer than 990, no matter what they have programmed with TC.

Unfortunately I think because its easier to see that everybody is on 800's its harder to use as an excuse. THe fans are only just realising that TC is there so thats an easier one to use to "save some grace" in front of a perhaps over-expectant fanbase.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jan 16 2008, 01:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm still stunned as to why Rossi, who has won on TC the most of any rider in history, now is saying its a bad thing?????????
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jan 16 2008, 01:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sure Rossi didn't seem to do much sliding around this year, Stoner looked wilder in that respect, but to blame TC for that is just denying what may have to be accepted ...... Rossi is not as young as he once was.

I note Capi and Barros are reportedly backing a ban ........ well ......
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Did you bother to read what Chris Pike had to say about this?
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I don't get the point Andrew??

Saw the vid ...... so are you suggesting that bike has no TC and therefore that is the reason he is sliding like that?

It'd take a bit more investigation to convince me, but hey if I was clutching at straws
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....... I still doubt I'd post that as evidence that:

1. The bike has no TC ........... well I believe it has ....

or

2. The bike has the same power/torque characteristics as a current motogp bike. I bet it hasn't

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3. TC needs banning ( well I doubt it will do a thing to racing but meh I don't think it matters )

or

4. Racing was boring ( yes I'm sure it was for Rossi fans ..... especially after the full expectation, that they assumed was a "glitch" when Hayden won, was dashed even further down the line and relegated to now 3rd place ) Bet it wasn't boring for Stoner fans or Pedrosa fans ...


TC is high-tech ...... but thats kind part and parcel of change. Imagine say NASA with no high tech?? Imagine a fighter jet with no high tech. ...... imagine an F1 car with banned TC ...... oh they did didn't they in 93 or something ...... it got boring ...... will motogp get like F1 if they ban TC? or will they continue to be a racing formula of prototyping to find the best way to get a motorcycle to go fast?

Here's the formula motogp could become:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IkCx116M84
great racing hey!! ... all those homologated bikes and all
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But there is some hope for Moto GP and that is to help the banning of Electronics by joining this support site on banning it.

Give me a ....... break.., Whats next ?? Bring back 500cc.

The races are boring because the the wrong person has been winning...
 
Is it even possible to pilot this machines without some electronics taming the power delivery? What will happen if 'control ecu' or 'no electronics' rule of some sort was in place, while WSBK and other production based series were free to employ full blown electronics?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jan 16 2008, 02:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>though I would add the rawness of a 4 stroke is handy in speedway to both instigate and maintain a very easy slide. But for road use!! ???
Yeah, 4 stroke is definatly not the way to go for the road. We must keep the strokers for the road.
Wait a minute, they are allready gone, bummer.

I can see now why you wonder why rossi don't like TC.
If you want ever more confusion look at what he did i 2003, he left the best team with the best bike.
Why would he do that. Obvously a lunatic, at least now he get another one in the team
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jan 16 2008, 05:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yes !! did you??? ....... do you believe it is in favour of a ban???
Yes I did read it - it was my thread after all. I also didn't say I was in favour of a ban, and I have not supported the Bebo thing, cos I think a "electronics ban" is a meaningless statement. As many people have pointed out on other threads, all electronics cannot be banned without going back to carbys. I was responding to the fact that you were surprised that current riders were opposed to TC. That was why I pointed you and hopefully others in the direction of that thread.

My actual opinion on how to deal with the electronics, from the Chris Pike thread :
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I love his simple answer to how to control it all - direct throttle and stop the bike knowing where it is on the track. No need for a control ECU, which the manufacturers hate. Now we just need to tell Dorna....
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jan 16 2008, 05:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't get the point Andrew??

Saw the vid ...... so are you suggesting that bike has no TC and therefore that is the reason he is sliding like that?

No i am not suggesting it doesn't have TC... or Engine management to help make it rideable.

I think back then TC was manual not auto and intrusive like it is now on every corner.
 

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