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Stoners warm-up lap

MdubSTYLIE

MdubSTYLIE

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No, I don't think his warm-up caused him to fall.....this time, but I got your attention. Call it a late april fools if you will, ala J7.
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Myself and the powersliders very own hallway monitor (keshav) had a bet going to whether or not Casey would adopt a new warm-up lap strategy or not. I am kind of up in the air on if he did his old strategy or not. What I saw was him come of the start with the pack then gradually fall back. What he usually did was stick his hand up from the beginning and let everyone go by. He also wasn't the last one to the grid Jorge was.

Opinions please, what do you think? And be honest I am not leaving powerslide if I lose the bet or anything.
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warm up no he binned it on lap 6. so a quarter of the way through.

i think its more mental

look at the times he's binned even Brno/misano he was way in front and could have coasted to the win
but binned it

stoner is ok
when his pit board says


Edit my bad
STONER
P1
JORGE
+ 2 SEC

STONER
P1
PEDROSA
+2 SEC

ETC

AS SOON AS HE GETS

STONER
P1
ROSSI
+2 SEC

HE FALLS APART IF ON THE NEXT LAP HE GETS

STONER
P1
ROSSI
+ 1.9

HES DOOMED

JOKING ASIDE

CASEY PUSH'S TOO MUCH WHEN HE DON'T NEED TOO
SIMPLE
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Apr 12 2010, 10:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No, I don't think his warm-up caused him to fall.....this time, but I got your attention. Call it a late april fools if you will, ala J7.
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Myself and the powersliders very own hallway monitor (keshav) had a bet going to whether or not Casey would adopt a new warm-up lap strategy or not. I am kind of up in the air on if he did his old strategy or not. What I saw was him come of the start with the pack then gradually fall back. What he usually did was stick his hand up from the beginning and let everyone go by. He also wasn't the last one to the grid Jorge was.

Opinions please, what do you think? And be honest I am not leaving powerslide if I lose the bet or anything.
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The commentators specifically took the trouble to point out at
the beginning of the race that Stoner had stuck to his "controversial"
warm-up lap technique.

Oh... and if that's going to be your new avatar - you should change the
title underneath from "Roast Master" to Road Rasher.
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Still waiting for
that PM with your home address. You'll look great in one of our 100 % cotton,
four color, hand-screened T-shirts. Will that be a medium or a large?
Cheers,
K
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Apr 12 2010, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The commentators specifically took the trouble to point out at
the beginning of the race that Stoner had stuck to his "controversial"
warm-up lap technique.

Oh... and if that's going to be your new avatar - you should change the
title underneath from "Roast Master" to Road Rasher.
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Still waiting for
that PM with your home address. You'll look great in one of our 100 % cotton,
four color, hand-screened T-shirts. Will that be a medium or a large?
Cheers,
K


Fair enough. I have to agree it wasn't different enough. Looks like this avatar will be short lived.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Apr 12 2010, 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>warm up no he binned it on lap 6. so a quarter of the way through.

i think its more mental

look at the times he's binned even Brno/misano he was way in front and could have coasted to the win
but binned it

stoner is ok
when his pit board says

STONER
P1
JORGE
- 2 SEC

STONER
P1
PEDROSA
-2 SEC

ETC

AS SOON AS HE GETS

STONER
P1
ROSSI
-2 SEC

HE FALLS APART IF ON THE NEXT LAP HE GETS

STONER
P1
ROSSI
- 1.9

HES DOOMED

JOKING ASIDE

CASEY PUSH'S TOO MUCH WHEN HE DON'T NEED TOO
SIMPLE

Pigeon, my man I think you only read the topic. For the record I agree with you 100% he pushed to hard.
 
I think the same as Pigeon wrote. it LOOKS like, Casey has only this problem when he read on his board that Rossi is behind him.

but he was surely not too far in front to take it easy, and riders cant be sure if in the end they will have the same performance in their tyres. so they have to push it untill theyr sure.

in all those 3 races where Casey has crashed in front of Valentino, he hasn't had that enough gap, to be sure about his win.
 
Then it will be sufficient to tell Casey: ROSSI -2, /-2.5, /-3 etc., gap always increasing, whatever the truth. He needs a reverse-Puig at his garage
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Apr 12 2010, 08:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The commentators specifically took the trouble to point out at
the beginning of the race that Stoner had stuck to his "controversial"
warm-up lap technique.

Agree.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Oh... and if that's going to be your new avatar - you should change the
title underneath from "Roast Master" to Road Rasher.
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Still waiting for
that PM with your home address. You'll look great in one of our 100 % cotton,
four color, hand-screened T-shirts. Will that be a medium or a large?
Cheers,
K
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What was the bet?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 12 2010, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Agree.


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What was the bet?


Soon enough you will all know. Just watch my avatar.
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Just to clarify for those claiming Casey pushes too hard or he is spooked by Vale, he lost the front due to insufficient load on the tire.

He has backed off after a few earlier moments and unfortunately the bike was sprung too firm for the slower speed. It didnt transfer enough load into the front rubber and he lost it.

He admitted it was his mistake and he should have rode the way he had all weekend and continued to push, but alas he didnt and the rest is history.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Apr 12 2010, 05:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Then it will be sufficient to tell Casey: ROSSI -2, /-2.5, /-3 etc., gap always increasing, whatever the truth. He needs a reverse-Puig at his garage
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That's pretty much what his pitboard would have been showing, particularly after lap 5 where he pulled a second on rossi. I agree with other posters that a 2 second advantage at this stage of a race is obviously not enough to feel confident about beating rossi though, probably at any time but particularly in the first race of the season with different engines and no knowledge about tyre life, relative fuel economy etc.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (is200 @ Apr 13 2010, 02:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just to clarify for those claiming Casey pushes too hard or he is spooked by Vale, he lost the front due to insufficient load on the tire.

He has backed off after a few earlier moments and unfortunately the bike was sprung too firm for the slower speed. It didnt transfer enough load into the front rubber and he lost it.

He admitted it was his mistake and he should have rode the way he had all weekend and continued to push, but alas he didnt and the rest is history.

i hear what your saying
...................................but as you say ^^^^^
backed off slower speed,

then how come Casey set the fastest first sector time 25.120 of the race just before he binned it
if he'd slowed / backed off
his general statement don't wash with the data info.?

he set 3 fastest sector times on lap 5 and the first fastest sector time on lap 6.
uh slowed/backed off.???

he seems to have put his foot in it

http://www.powerslide.net/forum/index.php?...st&p=233875
 
You guys are over analysisng it, and reading too much into it....
He ...... up, lost the front end, and fell off.
Simple.
It probably happens to 5 different riders in any given weekend, and I can guarantee that during this season Rossi, Lorenzo, Spies and Pedro will all to the same thing at least once, either in practice or a race (and if they are not, they are not pushing hard enough).
Stoner has admited it was his fault, and he ...... up.

No one has made a bid deal about Bautista loosing the front. Its only an issue because its Stoner and he was leading.
 
He wasn't the last one to the grid but i don't think he changed or is changing his warmup lap strategy much.
He has already said why he crashed in interviews,and its the first race and he was favorite,so ofcourse it's mental also,Next race
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Apr 13 2010, 07:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You guys are over analysisng it, and reading too much into it....
He ...... up, lost the front end, and fell off.
Simple.
It probably happens to 5 different riders in any given weekend, and I can guarantee that during this season Rossi, Lorenzo, Spies and Pedro will all to the same thing at least once, either in practice or a race (and if they are not, they are not pushing hard enough).
Stoner has admited it was his fault, and he ...... up.

No one has made a bid deal about Bautista loosing the front. Its only an issue because its Stoner and he was leading.
Agree
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Apr 13 2010, 08:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No one has made a bid deal about Bautista loosing the front. Its only an issue because its Stoner and he was leading.

agree it would have been talked about the same for any rider they all strive to lead/win

but 2.093 secs lead after only 5 laps he could have controlled the race from the front but went smoother/faster and binned it and of those five laps he wasn't even at the front for the first few so he got the 2sec lead in a very short time easily
he needs to improve his mind set more when in this type of situation he could have pissed the win sunday but didn't
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Apr 13 2010, 07:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Its only an issue because its Stoner and he was leading.

And because he's done the very same thing too many times already. It's normal that a rider crashes. A rider getting into a lead that looks decisive and then crashing time and time again is weird. There have been similiar cases with Stoner during last couple of seasons, no?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wander @ Apr 13 2010, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And because he's done the very same thing too many times already. It's normal that a rider crashes. A rider getting into a lead that looks decisive and then crashing time and time again is weird. There have been similiar cases with Stoner during last couple of seasons, no?
Only crash last year was in the warm-up to valencia, which was arguably equivalent to crashing in the lead since he was on pole after winning the previous 2 races.

I agree this needs to be his only one this year.
 

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