STONER's ATTITUDE

McKneZ said:

Im not in love with Rossi

...so when he punched Biaggi that was not the right thing to do...(showing weakness at that moment). Biaggi did alot worse...more dangerous and unsporty move! Lost lots of fans...

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Leaving aside the biaggi thing which may have been exaggerated, and the gibernau thing which was definitely unfair, how is biaggi/rossi different than rossi/stoner? I can recall no dangerous behaviour towards rossi from stoner, and at least 2 dangerous moves by rossi on stoner where absolutely no fault from stoner was involved, and where at least once and probably twice stoner's prompt action saved rossi (and himself) from a possibly severe accident. Again, stoner has been the safest and least dangerous rider out there for the last 5 years, despite the thing he was riding for 4 of those 5 years.



Perspective is all as I have said, and you seem to be as guilty of considering one rider satanic and the other perfect as any on here.

Differential speed when Biaggi and Rossi had their spatty ....... maybe 0.2km/h but they could have fallen off at say 160



Differential speed Stoner and De Puniet ............... 200km/h and thats not even counting what speed the wreckage and body parts would have been traveling at.



The riders need to be more aware in practice sessions, Stoner's action was mild. FFS look what happened to Sic. And that was likely hlf the speed Stoner was doing when Randy was "wandering"

There appears to be a disturbing form of justification going on here.

Goatboy said:

There appears to be a disturbing form of justification going on here.

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Yes, stoner didn't really beat valentino in 2011 because rossi's fans consider him to be a prick, just as was the case in 2007 when it was the ducati and not him that won .

michaelm said:

Yes, stoner didn't really beat valentino in 2011 because rossi's fans consider him to be a prick, just as it was the ducati and not him that beat valentino in 2007.

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Goatboy both "sprung" and then "told" in two seconds flat! You are impressing me a lot this break Mick!!

michaelm said:

Yes, stoner didn't really beat valentino in 2011 because rossi's fans consider him to be a prick, just as was the case in 2007 when it was the ducati and not him that won .

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Oh I see, you want your cake and eat it.

Goatboy said:

Oh I see, you want your cake and eat it.

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No, I just don' t see how the stoner supporters are the unreasonable ones on this thread when the initial question was whether stoner's fans approved of him attempting to strangle a cart race driver who had forced him wide on a corner, something he has not to my knowledge ever assayed.

michaelm said:

Looking forward to the test, with even more interest than usual due to the new formula, not that this justifies dorna changing it all the time.



Just for my interest, what was your take on your man valentino giving biaggi the finger at suzuka 2001, and to him punching max on the way to the podium after the catalunya 2001 race

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Maybe you want to spend some time getting your facts straight before you keep pushing a bias opinion out there. Well that's unless your doing it purly out of ... for tat spite.

If going back 11 years isn't lame enough you make yourself look ever more childish by keep re-posting while omitting all the facts.

Remember both had bruises on their faces mike!

How this excuses caseys antics is beyond me, you use Rossi as some sought of defence for casey. Mike , you sir are a neo bopper. Congrats. Its funny to see you now siding with berry all the time. peas in a pod !

michaelm said:

No, I just don' t see how the stoner supporters are the unreasonable ones on this thread when the initial question was whether stoner's fans approved of him attempting to strangle a cart race driver who had forced him wide on a corner, something he has not to my knowledge ever assayed.

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When they start justifying punching somebody in the back on a racetrack.

If I was a fly on the wall I`d think.................................kindergarten mostly.

Goatboy said:

When they start justifying punching somebody in the back on a racetrack.

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Yeah exactly, then go back to a rossi insident 11 years ago to show stoner is not so bad hahaha

chopperman said:

Maybe you want to spend some time getting your facts straight before you keep pushing a bias opinion out there. Well that's unless your doing it purly out of ... for tat spite.

If going back 11 years isn't lame enough you make yourself look ever more childish by keep re-posting while omitting all the facts.

Remember both had bruises on their faces mike!

How this excuses caseys antics is beyond me, you use Rossi as some sought of defence for casey. Mike , you sir are a neo bopper. Congrats. Its funny to see you now siding with berry all the time. peas in a pod !

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Call me a neo-bopper if you like, while I continue not to call anyone a bopper, although this does remind me of a discussion with talpa. Did I condemn rossi for punching biaggi or giving him the bird? I just pointed out he did those things, which doesn't necessarily imply that I think he was in the wrong in either situation. You on the other hand , appear to regard the cases as different, with rossi of course being justified in his actions while stoner giving rossi the bird/slow handclap after actually being taken out through no fault of his own was not.



I have supported barry on this thread because he was singled out for criticism by you guys in a thread ridiculous and trolling from its inception, and not initiated by him. I think he has the occasional good left field engineering insight as well.



As I have said, stoner's "attitude" (such as it is) is what those with your attitude have wrought; the hatred towards him was just as vehement in 2007 before any practice lap contretemps when he was wearing t-shirts proclaiming valentino one of his heroes, and the attitude to which you then objected was his disagreement with the contention that he hadn't really beaten valentino. St Francis of Assisi would develop attitude after that and the vicious gleeful gloating about his "mental destruction" in 2009.



If you now don't like his attitude, tough luck.



I gave valentino full credit for his wins in 2008 and 2009 and kept posting on here in good humour during all your triumphalism. My disagreements and criticisms continue to be with and of some of valentino's fans and not valentino, with the exception of the gibernau incident where my view remains as it has always been.

Goatboy said:

When they start justifying punching somebody in the back on a racetrack.

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Start the thread with that incident then. And all this is more relevant than when it was discussed at the time and the same things were said by people including julian ryder and that well known australian motogp site gpone exactly how? Anyone would think you guys are left with nothing else to say.

michaelm said:

Call me a neo-bopper if you like, while I continue not to call anyone a bopper, although this does remind me of a discussion with talpa. Did I condemn rossi for punching biaggi or giving him the bird? I just pointed out he did those things, which doesn't necessarily imply that I think he was in the wrong in either situation. You on the other hand , appear to regard the cases as different, with rossi of course being justified in his actions while stoner giving rossi the bird after actually being taken out through no fault of his own was not.



I have supported barry on this thread because he was singled out for criticism by you guys in a thread ridiculous and trolling from its inception, and not initiated by him. I think he has the occasional good left field engineering insight as well.



As I have said, stoner's "attitude" (such as it is) is what those with your attitude have wrought; the hatred towards him was just as vehement in 2007 before any practice lap contretemps when he was wearing t-shirts proclaiming valentino one of his heroes, and the attitude to which you objected was his disagreement with the contention that he hadn't really beaten valentino. St Francis of Assisi would develop attitude after that and the vicious gleeful gloating about his "mental destruction" in 2009.



If you now don't like his attitude, tough luck.



I gave valentino full credit for his wins in 2008 and 2009 and kept posting on here in good humour during all your triumphalism. My disagreements and criticisms continue to be with and of some of valentino's fans and not valentino, with the exception of the gibernau incident where my view remains as it has always been.

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Can I just call you Neo from now on.....

Are you guys really going there? You all are comparing Rossi v Biaggi to Stoner punching someone in the back ON TRACK. The .... with Max and Vali went on off camera. They took it to the parking lot so to speak. The proper way to handle that ..... Stoner is a hothead he never thinks before he acts.

MdubSTYLIE said:

Are you guys really going there? You all are comparing Rossi v Biaggi to Stoner punching someone in the back ON TRACK. The .... with Max and Vali went on off camera. They took it to the parking lot so to speak. The proper way to handle that ..... Stoner is a hothead he never thinks before he acts.

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2001,the incident was on camera,as was the middle digit job (lol) .What was off camera,my learned friend ? This is a new one to me btw.

michaelm said:

Start the thread with that incident then. And all this is more relevant than when it was discussed at the time and the same things were said by people including julian ryder and that well known australian motogp site gpone exactly how? Anyone would think you guys are left with nothing else to say.

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You are sounding like Barry, which saddens me.

DRILL said:

2001,the incident was on camera,as was the middle digit job (lol) .What was off camera,my learned friend ? This is a new one to me btw.

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I watched the suzuka thing again the other day. I also watched it at the time when neither max nor rossi was my horse in the race, that being garry mccoy of course, and remember thinking max must have deserved it, particularly not being enamoured previously with max's attitude to doohan, but I begin to question my old attitudes to biaggi and gibernau now.

michaelm said:

Call me a neo-bopper if you like, while I continue not to call anyone a bopper, although this does remind me of a discussion with talpa. Did I condemn rossi for punching biaggi or giving him the bird? I just pointed out he did those things, which doesn't necessarily imply that I think he was in the wrong in either situation. You on the other hand , appear to regard the cases as different, with rossi of course being justified in his actions while stoner giving rossi the bird/slow handclap after actually being taken out through no fault of his own was not.



I have supported barry on this thread because he was singled out for criticism by you guys in a thread ridiculous and trolling from its inception, and not initiated by him. I think he has the occasional good left field engineering insight as well.



As I have said, stoner's "attitude" (such as it is) is what those with your attitude have wrought; the hatred towards him was just as vehement in 2007 before any practice lap contretemps when he was wearing t-shirts proclaiming valentino one of his heroes, and the attitude to which you then objected was his disagreement with the contention that he hadn't really beaten valentino. St Francis of Assisi would develop attitude after that and the vicious gleeful gloating about his "mental destruction" in 2009.



If you now don't like his attitude, tough luck.



I gave valentino full credit for his wins in 2008 and 2009 and kept posting on here in good humour during all your triumphalism. My disagreements and criticisms continue to be with and of some of valentino's fans and not valentino, with the exception of the gibernau incident where my view remains as it has always been.

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You are the only one who feels the need to continually make comparisons to non related events that happened 11 years ago. You do this every time caseys bad temper is pointed out. You continue to use Rossi as some sought of defence because you assume its only rossi fans noticing stoners bad behaviour and posting it. What has Rossi or the events that happened 11 years ago got to do with a thread on stoners temper ? I will tell you, .... ALL unless you are a neo bopper. Grow up mike !

Mr Squiggle said:

Can I just call you Neo from now on.....

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You might as well. Computers seem to share a dislike for both neo and me.