STONER's ATTITUDE

DRILL said:

2001,the incident was on camera,as was the middle digit job (lol) .What was off camera,my learned friend ? This is a new one to me btw.

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So the fight was caught on film? I remember a .... angle where you could see them arguing but thats it. And thats not point. Point was that it was two men having a go. not one man having a tiffy...again.



And dude, I see a rider throw the bird pretty much every race weekend at some point. That falls in the who cares catagory for me. But its not every weekend you see a little prick standing on the side of the track clapping sarcastically at a rider that did him wrong.

chopperman said:

You are the only one who feels the need to continually make comparisons to non related events that happened 11 years ago. You do this every time caseys bad temper is pointed out. You continue to use Rossi as some sought of defence because you assume its only rossi fans noticing stoners bad behaviour and posting it. What has Rossi or the events that happened 11 years ago got to do with a thread on stoners temper ? I will tell you, .... ALL unless you are a neo bopper. Grow up mike !

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The fact remains that stoner has ridden with absolute respect for other riders in races during the entire 800 formula, and has not even contributed to the causation of an accident for another rider during all that time, however you may want to see him, and I see absolutely no evidence that any rider is at all wary in his vicinity in a race, when it actually matters, including valentino who has in fact depended on stoner's speed of reaction and discretion on at least one occasion.



What is irrational which I have now realised is the depth of your now constantly expressed hatred for stoner. I wasn't happy with stoner's lean years from 2008 to 2010, but it didn't tear at my soul, and I will take your advice to "grow up". I hope valentino wins another title for you if it means that much to you.

The banter continues......

WOW!



A few months away from this place and its turned into the horrendous bone fest that I always predicted it would, but I'm lovin your work Jums and Chop-as always . The Absurdity of the continued defense of Stoners attitude has got me now convinced that these boners are in some sort of permanent hypnotic psychosis chanting 'STONNNEEERR....STONNNEERR....STONNNEERR'



Mickm you have truly lost it at present mate, you don't need to continue to fall on your sword for stoner especially with the desperate clutching that you are now displaying, you are better than this mate.



I don't believe that fans dislike Stoner as much as the neo-boppers (Great term BTW!! I would take it to the next level though 'Hyper Neo Boppers') want to make out. The incidents 'On Track' last season that Stoner incited and reacted too displayed some of the poorest behavior from a professional sportsman that I've ever seen, Stoner was also fined for one of these incidents-FACT. We are all in awe of his riding, but with the good comes the bad in this case and the most the ridiculous part is that Stoner's fan's not only fail to acknowledge the fact that he is ultimately a brat, they are constantly stooping to all new levels to defend and justify his behavior.



Chin up Neo's- Tis a new season, and Casey has a chance to display some decent behavior and potentially redeem himself to a degree, my tip is it won't happen, especially if he is significantly pushed in the the title race-which of course we are all hoping will happen. And heaven help the first CRT that gets in his way in practice at Qatar, should be interesting to watch!

Talpa said:

WOW!



A few months away from this place and its turned into the horrendous bone fest that I always predicted it would, but I'm lovin your work Jums and Chop-as always

. The Absurdity of the continued defense of Stoners attitude has got me now convinced that these boners are in some sort of permanent hypnotic psychosis chanting 'STONNNEEERR....STONNNEERR....STONNNEERR'



Mickm you have truly lost it at present mate, you don't need to continue to fall on your sword for stoner especially with the desperate clutching that you are now displaying, you are better than this mate.



I don't believe that fans dislike Stoner as much as the neo-boppers (Great term BTW!! I would take it to the next level though 'Hyper Neo Boppers') want to make out. The incidents 'On Track' last season that Stoner incited and reacted too displayed some of the poorest behavior from a professional sportsman that I've ever seen, Stoner was also fined for one of these incidents-FACT. We are all in awe of his riding, but with the good comes the bad in this case and the most the ridiculous part is that Stoner's fan's not only fail to acknowledge the fact that he is ultimately a brat, they are constantly stooping to all new levels to defend and justify his behavior.



Chin up Neo's- Tis a new season, and Casey has a chance to display some decent behavior and potentially redeem himself to a degree, my tip is it won't happen, especially if he is significantly pushed in the the title race-which of course we are all hoping will happen. And heaven help the first CRT that gets in his way in practice at Qatar, should be interesting to watch!

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We could be in awe of his riding all day and night, but BM still lynches me for saying Mr Stoner isn't a "people person" as I politely described him. And I could sympathise with Stoner to an extent. When I'm working with an incompetant basterd I loose the rag as well, difference is, I'm not being paid $9.5M to be one of the corporate faces of the biggest motorcycle manufacturer in the world.

And you've got things pretty well summed up there Talps.

For old times sake you uinderstand.

Talpa said:

WOW!



A few months away from this place and its turned into the horrendous bone fest that I always predicted it would, but I'm lovin your work Jums and Chop-as always

. The Absurdity of the continued defense of Stoners attitude has got me now convinced that these boners are in some sort of permanent hypnotic psychosis chanting 'STONNNEEERR....STONNNEERR....STONNNEERR'

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Geez Talps, where have you been?



I personally do not see so much a defence of Stoner's attitude but a defence against many absurd 'reading' of that same attitude as we do not know Stoner personally now do we?



But just as there has been rigid defence of Stoner, there is rigid/rabid offence of Stoner (and Rossi and Pedrosa etc etc) as it comes down to favourites and who is the colour of the month so to speak and 2011 was the year of teh Stoner (now where is that picture - sure MDub or Curve will have a Stoner pic)

Talpa said:

I don't believe that fans dislike Stoner as much as the neo-boppers (Great term BTW!! I would take it to the next level though 'Hyper Neo Boppers') want to make out. The incidents 'On Track' last season that Stoner incited and reacted too displayed some of the poorest behavior from a professional sportsman that I've ever seen, Stoner was also fined for one of these incidents-FACT. We are all in awe of his riding, but with the good comes the bad in this case and the most the ridiculous part is that Stoner's fan's not only fail to acknowledge the fact that he is ultimately a brat, they are constantly stooping to all new levels to defend and justify his behavior.

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I dare suggest that you are correct in saying that the strident criticism is not aimed at Stoner directly but at his fans, and I say that given the comments of one of the protagonists a number of years ago who said (paraphrased) 'I do not like Stoner but his fans have made me dislike him'. For my way of thinking the same applies to Rossi fans (reverse direction of course) as their rabidness is on par with Stoner fans (will admit that some of what has occurred across various forums in the last few months has been over the top)



As for your usual bleating about the highlighted, you are definitely entitled to it but dare say you must not watch Tennis, A-League football, EPL, Rugby League, Cricket, Wayne Maxwell at PI or any manner of other sports as there has been far worse behaviour from competitors in those sports that displayed by any rider in MGP.



Stoner is not perfect, but he is far from the devil incarnate as well and for me is far from a bad sport within the sense of MGP (actually I would struggle to find a current rider who would fit that description) but is certainly a perfectionist who expects (demands?) that all goes as he needs for the weekend and he does readily admit to that.



As for the RdP incident, I said my piece at the time and whilst he was fined then it still seems overlooked that other riders were punished similarly across the year for their actions.



All is however good now that you are back as I for one have missed your ragings.



Hope you had a good break, good Xmas and are staying well away and safe from the rains

Talpa said:

Chin up Neo's- Tis a new season, and Casey has a chance to display some decent behavior and potentially redeem himself to a degree, my tip is it won't happen, especially if he is significantly pushed in the the title race-which of course we are all hoping will happen. And heaven help the first CRT that gets in his way in practice at Qatar, should be interesting to watch!

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Actually I thought Stoner improved dramatically after the RdP incident and maybe it was the kick in the ass that he needed, time will tell on that score.



With regards to the CRT, well he is not the only one who has questioned and as he has said in interviews, he sees a need but does not like the formula and personally I fall in the same category but I reserve judgement as DRONA continue to play with a formula each and every year.

MdubSTYLIE said:

So the fight was caught on film?

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Not surprised you missed it Mdub, it was a pretty canned event. It was a catfight, Biaggi actually looked like he had scratch marks on his face after it too. But in all honesty it was a bitchfest that had been going on for too long, so in a way it was a pressure relief when it happened. It was however another reason folk turned over to SBK's ....... the Rossi Biaggi bitchfest was not real "kosher" with "men" who aligned themselves as fans of motorcycle racing.

Had they have had a good old fashioned man style punch up, it would have been far less embarrassing than the protracted bitchfest that did ensue.





At the time it had an embarrassment factor 10 times as great as Stoners punch on RdP.







Oh and PS: Good to have you back Talpa. I think your post is wacked out, but its good to have that.

michaelm said:

The fact remains that stoner has ridden with absolute respect for other riders in races during the entire 800 formula, and has not even contributed to the causation of an accident for another rider during all that time, however you may want to see him, and I see absolutely no evidence that any rider is at all wary in his vicinity in a race, when it actually matters, including valentino who has in fact depended on stoner's speed of reaction and discretion on at least one occasion.



What is irrational which I have now realised is the depth of your now constantly expressed hatred for stoner. I wasn't happy with stoner's lean years from 2008 to 2010, but it didn't tear at my soul, and I will take your advice to "grow up". I hope valentino wins another title for you if it means that much to you.

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I learnt long ago that it is pointless trying to have an even minutely, meaningful discussion with bopperman (aka Roger-me) because let’s face it, he is as thick as two planks (and that is being unkind to the planks). The fact that he calls you a bopper when he has a reminder of his beloved #46 inked in a permanent display is actually quite hilarious ... but it does take a certain level of intelligence to see the absolute irony.

By sheer weight of numbers, (reminds me a lot of the Manchester United bandwagon fans) the Rossi worshippers will continue to hunt in packs to shoot you down, but keep up with your intelligent, well argued posts, because I’m sure the vast (and mostly) silent majority of people who occasionally frequent this forum appreciate your input and well rounded arguments.

ya'll sound like a coven of cackling .......

krusty said:

I learnt long ago that it is pointless trying to have an even minutely, meaningful discussion with bopperman (aka Roger-me) because let’s face it, he is as thick as two planks (and that is being unkind to the planks). The fact that he calls you a bopper when he has a reminder of his beloved #46 inked in a permanent display is actually quite hilarious ... but it does take a certain level of intelligence to see the absolute irony.

By sheer weight of numbers, (reminds me a lot of the Manchester United bandwagon fans) the Rossi worshippers will continue to hunt in packs to shoot you down, but keep up with your intelligent, well argued posts, because I’m sure the vast (and mostly) silent majority of people who occasionally frequent this forum appreciate your input and well rounded arguments.

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Oh the hypocrisy......when you life is so dependent on another individuals success for your own happiness its little wonder we see the extreme over the top reactions projected against the culprit deemed responsible for that success suddenly evaporating - its human nature.



Stoner may not be everyones cuppa tea that much is obvious - his personality can at times be grating and he has no qualms about voicing his opinion, but he has certainly spiced things up on and off the track since his arrival. It would be far less entertaining without him as he is without doubt the most exciting racer to watch ride a MGP bike to its limits....and thats all that really matters to me.



It seems the paleo-boppers are so disconnected from reality since Stoners crowning as 2007 MotoGP world champion that they are simply incapable of processing the information at hand. The whole of the MGP paddock along with the vast majority of mainstream media have spoken.....and the words that are being uttered are not what they want to hear at all - straight from the horses mouths....



http://moto-racing.s...ers-and-losers/



[font=comic sans ms,cursive]Winner: Casey Stoner/HRC[/font]

Gaz said:

For old times sake you uinderstand.





I dare suggest that you are correct in saying that the strident criticism is not aimed at Stoner directly but at his fans, and I say that given the comments of one of the protagonists a number of years ago who said (paraphrased) 'I do not like Stoner but his fans have made me dislike him'. For my way of thinking the same applies to Rossi fans (reverse direction of course) as their rabidness is on par with Stoner fans (will admit that some of what has occurred across various forums in the last few months has been over the top)



As for your usual bleating about the highlighted, you are definitely entitled to it but dare say you must not watch Tennis, A-League football, EPL, Rugby League, Cricket, Wayne Maxwell at PI or any manner of other sports as there has been far worse behaviour from competitors in those sports that displayed by any rider in MGP.



Stoner is not perfect, but he is far from the devil incarnate as well and for me is far from a bad sport within the sense of MGP (actually I would struggle to find a current rider who would fit that description) but is certainly a perfectionist who expects (demands?) that all goes as he needs for the weekend and he does readily admit to that.



As for the RdP incident, I said my piece at the time and whilst he was fined then it still seems overlooked that other riders were punished similarly across the year for their actions.



All is however good now that you are back as I for one have missed your ragings.



Hope you had a good break, good Xmas and are staying well away and safe from the rains

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Love you too Gaz!! Same to you on the Chrissy and New Year thing



Been rather busy, and to be honest to odd glimpse I've had in the last few months at PS hasn't been worthy of even 10 seconds of my time to post, but of course you are ........and a new season approaches and it could be one of the better ones we've seen for a while



The only point I will argue from the above is that personally I haven't seen any deaths in those sports you mentioned recently, or ever. Punching someone on the playing field when your standing and facing one another is a little different to on Two Wheels at 120Kmph, that is my reasoning for my opinion that his behavior is amongst the worst of ever seen from a professional sportsman. This is a point I brought up directly after the incident and tragically we saw just how dangerous this sport can be at Sepang even when excluding hot-headed, ill-tempered behavior. And I may remind that the punching incident was one of many dangerous encounters on track last season all involving the same rider.



Granted we didn't see it again last year, which is positive for Stoner and hopefully a step forward-the crunch will come when he's pushed-and pushed hard which should happen this season with Jorge who has matured nicely, maybe Dani or even Spies and a big maybe even Rossi if they've performed some miracles over the break in Bolonga with adapting that thing to the Rubbish rubber and stolen some ASIMO Bots for R & D.......

Talpa said:

Love you too Gaz!! Same to you on the Chrissy and New Year thing



Been rather busy, and to be honest to odd glimpse I've had in the last few months at PS hasn't been worthy of even 10 seconds of my time to post, but of course you are

........and a new season approaches and it could be one of the better ones we've seen for a while

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Mate, I have to agree that at times I glance and simply move on as some of the 'fun' seems to have left and people seem far more serious now than they had been a year or two ago, but I do hope the fun returns sometime but until then I watch, read and wait.

Talpa said:

The only point I will argue from the above is that personally I haven't seen any deaths in those sports you mentioned recently, or ever. Punching someone on the playing field when your standing and facing one another is a little different to on Two Wheels at 120Kmph, that is my reasoning for my opinion that his behavior is amongst the worst of ever seen from a professional sportsman. This is a point I brought up directly after the incident and tragically we saw just how dangerous this sport can be at Sepang even when excluding hot-headed, ill-tempered behavior. And I may remind that the punching incident was one of many dangerous encounters on track last season all involving the same rider.

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Fair call, but I would then point to Nascar and other similar forms where drivers have been known to deliberately 'punt' a fellow competitor off the track, often only to receive a feather slap.



Either way, I admit I do not have mega issues with Stoner's attitude but have admitted in the past and will do so again, sometimes he over steps the boundary and speaks (or acts) with no real thought. Sometimes this is excellent to watch and listen to, and yet at other times it is pretentious, but it always makes good television and good discussion and irrespective of the side on which one sits, it is interesting.



I for one personally love watching and reading interviews with him as he seems to be devoid of any political correctness and will 'say it as he sees it' which in this day of professional sport (all sports by the way) is refreshing. This also often leads to accidental or deliberate mis-representation of his intended comment by some journalists (I dare say the same applies to other riders as well), particularly where the journalist is not a native language speaker.



As for your last sentence, you would have to agree that yes there were many incidents on track and of those that involved Stoner, he was not to blame in all of them, thus it is a swings and roundabouts seasonal approach.

Talpa said:

Granted we didn't see it again last year, which is positive for Stoner and hopefully a step forward-the crunch will come when he's pushed-and pushed hard which should happen this season with Jorge who has matured nicely, maybe Dani or even Spies and a big maybe even Rossi if they've performed some miracles over the break in Bolonga with adapting that thing to the Rubbish rubber and stolen some ASIMO Bots for R & D.......

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I am actually very interested to see how fatherhood affects him in terms of his racing as well as his off-track persona as to whether it brings a contentment or completeness that transforms across into his off track interviews etc. It will be interesting times with the added pressures of a changed formula so while to early to call, I look forward to it.



As for contenders, IMO whilst he was the best rider of 2011, I also feel that the challengers in 2012 will be for determined and look forward to what Lorenzo, Pedrosa and Spies can do. I look for good things from Dovisioso and hope that whatever has occurred at Ducati works for both riders, not just one of them as they need both to be competitive.



Who knows, last time the formula changed Ducati were ready, will it be that way again?

Gaz, good fair post man.

Well, this thread has it all. Apart from the expected sparring from the Rossi-bopper and stoner-bopper camps, two BIG themes have developed here:-



1) The Death of the Diplomat.

MichaelM, the quintesential master of moderation, prince of placation, aka "The Diplomat" , is no more. And we have to thank Mcnez, Pander and forum .... Habilis, Roger-me (apologies for plagiarism) for this turn of events. I have been ceaslessly amazed by his calm response to each and every mis-guided post over the years. However , there can be only so much crap that a bloke can take and Roger-me was the last straw (strawman?), resulting in a touch of barb, a bit of bite, but still essentially extremely fair replies.. You have become the man I thought you could be, and being Australia Day, and myself having been given the appropriate authority by the President (in waiting) of Australia, a certain Troy Bayliss, I hereby announce that you have been voted Forum Australian of the Year. Onya Mike.



2) Barry gains credibility. Far from his origins of disturbed and discordant ramblings, far from his secret double life of emoticon-theft, Barry has matured into a font of knowledge and a perveyor of certain wisdoms. While ever the "kryptonite" for Barry (Arrabs chemically inspired poetry), is kept at bay, Barry continues to thrive and attains a status that neither he nor his various detractors could ever imagine. Just like Casey Stoner in 2007, Barry, you are now the forum Young Australian of the Year.



I am proud of both of you........................................

Stoner reminds me of that clip in OZ where the fat kid was being bullied by this scrawny kid and finally had enough and 'snapped'. Outcome ; scrawny kid limped away crying (Rossi) after being slammed onto the concrete.



Lesson : Talk is cheap Rossi.

SuperShinya56 said:

Stoner reminds me of that clip in OZ where the fat kid was being bullied by this scrawny kid and finally had enough and 'snapped'. Outcome ; scrawny kid limped away crying (Rossi) after being slammed onto the concrete.



Lesson : Talk is cheap Rossi.

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Hahaahaa.... i dont know why...but sudenly i picture you as that fat kid Sry just kiddin



@Gaz nicely said...100% agree with you!

Great posts from Gaz and McKnez! Must say i'm gutted about mIchealm, i think he's buckled under the pressure of the bopper - he'll bounce back though i'm sure!

Bunyip said:

I hereby announce that you have been voted Forum Australian of the Year. Onya Mike.



Barry, you are now the forum Young Australian of the Year.

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Whoohoo!!!! see that Mike!! I'm younger than you



Though, I suspect that judging from the difference in years from whence I lost diplomacy with the Bopper, and Mike did ........ reality may be otherwise

Bunyip said:

While ever the "kryptonite" for Barry (Arrabs chemically inspired poetry), is kept at bay, Barry continues to thrive

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I thought Krypotonite did more than just made one laugh and feel better about ones self?







PS: Where's Andy Roo next?

sook sook time



'Valentino is saying and doing everything to belittle what was done by myself, my team, and Honda last year' - Casey Stoner



MotoGP superstar Casey Stoner has accused Ducati's Valentino Rossi of deliberately 'belittling' his dominant capture of the wArld crown for Honda in 2011.



if you have to he's Crashed it here http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/176249/1/rossi_belittling_title_win_says_stoner.html

Jesus people!