Stoner to HRC in 2011

Son of Doohan said:

This is so illogical, deluded even. May as well sack the whole field bar Lorenzo and Rossi. Then again maybe this is what people here want. Then we can have a guaranteed stupid race celebration every week.

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Just scrap motoGP as it is and we can have a "Look At Me!" championship, consisting of nothing but stupid celebrations.

Can't wait to see Lorenzo banging an old chook up the crapper.

chopperman said:

...., now there's some assumptions that certainly are not facts

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I have never been so arrogant to suggest that my opinion is fact. I do recall that negotiations between HRC and Repsol as they were reported during 2009 were strained and only a one year deal was struck. It also is interesting that Suppo who is pretty well renowned for his ability to negotiate sponsorship and for his innovative thinking in regards to sponsorship. If you have a plausable explaination for his move to HRC other than to find significant new sponsorship and potentially a new title sponsor then I am all ears and will be waiting for your version of the 'facts'! Also it is well known that Suppo and Stoner have a close working relationship and if HRC were growing tired of just 2 wins per season and were looking at securing a new #1 rider for 2011 I would not see it as a huge stretch of imagination that Suppo's relationship with 1 of the 3 other Aliens would not look attractive to HRC when it comes time to securing the only other rider with a score of race wins and a WC in the 800 era other than Rossi if that is who they had their eye on.

chopperman said:

Your only as good as your last race in this sport. Your 2007 performance will count for .... all when seeking a 2011 contract. Teams want riders that are on fire now not who were on fire a few years ago.

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This obviously didn't apply to Rossi who at the end of 2 seasons of not securing the world championship was still considered the GOAT, God, The Second coming of Christ and every other mythical creature one can imagine. Now don't go quoting X number of WC's, X number of race wins etc etc because you have clearly stated that you are only as good as your last race! Whats more Rossi lost these 2 WC's to riders who were so incompetent that it was due to every other reason but their own talent that they won. Hardly seems consistent with the Rossi is God mantra.

Bootsakah said:

Really? You think RdP would replace Dani or Dovi? Although Randy is looking decent this year (no crashing, and going fast on customer Honda) I don't think he's in the spotlight for a factory Honda ride.

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If you read my post correctly you will notice I implied as a #2 rider. I tend to agree with Rossi that there is only room in a team for one #1 rider and therefore I don't think Dani will stay at HRC. It is also why I have stated on a number of occasions that I think that Dani will end up as the #1 at Suzuki with a renewed effort, a new team management structure and a new spanish sponsor at Suzuki.

chopperman said:

nobody said people would not be interested in stoner, only that he is not as appealing lately and his price is falling.

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Is this a fact or just an opinion. It sounds like you have some inside knowledge as to the value of Stoner in the MotoGP market. I hope you are not going to quote some journalist who has most likely only stated their 'opinion' as well. Considering Stoner is the lowest paid 'Alien' I think for his value to go down then he would be getting paid less than people who have never won a MotoGP race let alone 20 and a WC as well as many pole positions, lap records and a few BMW's to boot!



You see my opinion is that people on the inside of the sport don't react race to race like fans do. I think they have a fairly substantial understanding of exactly what each rider has to work with and what their actual level of skill is because to them it is a business and it is their business to know not to guess where as to us it is a spectator sport where we react to an outside view looking through the window at what we think we see on the inside of that window. Now an educated spectator may be able to have a good guess at what is going on but it is still only a guess.

TP70 said:

You see my opinion is that people on the inside of the sport don't react race to race like fans do. I think they have a fairly substantial understanding of exactly what each rider has to work with and what their actual level of skill is because to them it is a business and it is their business to know not to guess where as to us it is a spectator sport where we react to an outside view looking through the window at what we think we see on the inside of that window. Now an educated spectator may be able to have a good guess at what is going on but it is still only a guess.

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Hallelujah!! I'm impressed...

Son of Doohan said:

This is so illogical, deluded even. May as well sack the whole field bar Lorenzo and Rossi.

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Well you are only as good as your last race... Don't bother hiring Rossi, he's not as good as Lorenzo and likely to crash and hurt himself trying to play catchup....





err no. You are not only as good as your last race

BarryMachine said:

so are you saying they believe other than what they proffered as "the take" on the current situation

Get real

Crap per second its getting to

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How the .... do I know what they believe? You odd little man



What I said was they wouldn't say even if they did.

Son of Doohan said:

This is so illogical, deluded even. May as well sack the whole field bar Lorenzo and Rossi. Then again maybe this is what people here want. Then we can have a guaranteed stupid race celebration every week.

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So you think Stoners contract price is as high today as it was in his winning days, if you read back that was the point ? Your only as good as your last race is a saying you pillock !

chopperman said:

So you think Stoners contract price is as high today as it was in his winning days, if you read back that was the point ?

Your only as good as your last race is a saying you pillock !

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Now where can we find a rider who has won as many GPs in his time in MGP as Rossi has for that same period ...... hmmmm I wonder?

chopperman said:

So you think Stoners contract price is as high today as it was in his winning days, if you read back that was the point ?

Your only as good as your last race is a saying you pillock !

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Might be actually, seeing his contract was quite low then as somebody said, and whatever anyone thinks of him I don't think his main motivation is financial. Even I thought his stocks were at a fairly low point at the end of lap 1 at silverstone though, and I also agree that jerry burgess is not going to volunteer too much on national TV, and is easily smart enough to do this whilst telling no lies. If stoner is not signed by hrc already he does need podiums at least fairly soon and few if any more dnfs.

chopperman said:

So you think Stoners contract price is as high today as it was in his winning days, if you read back that was the point ?

Your only as good as your last race is a saying you pillock !

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Don't try and squirm out of the drivel you just wrote.I know you have trouble reading and writing but again - IF YOU READ BACK - the point was, (you and basspete said), that honda wouldn't want Stoner. Then you dribbled more about teams only wanting racers who are winning NOW.

When it comes to money,I imagine Stoner would make more on his next contract, because ducati was paying him .... all anyway. I thoroughly doubt whether he cares too much about how much he gets paid, as it'll be pretty substantial either way.

Son of Doohan said:

Don't try and squirm out of the drivel you just wrote.I know you have trouble reading and writing but again - IF YOU READ BACK - the point was, (you and basspete said), that honda wouldn't want Stoner. ......

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I wouldn't worry too much, unfortunately Rog. is applying his forum success to MGP. ie. the old saying "you are only as good as your last post" ...... Rog.s drivel has been at exactly the same quality as it was when I first saw one of his "posts" ..... so I guess it kinda rings true

Keshav said:

If and when Stoner get the bike sorted out - this won't be the case. He bogged it at the beginning

but look at the lap times he put in over the course of the race at Silverstone. I betting he's back on

form at Assen and Hayden will have to live with another 4th.

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Eh??? how can you argue with the statement "Nicky is currently on better form than Stoner? The results are there, it is a factual statement!

Son of Doohan said:

Don't try and squirm out of the drivel you just wrote.I know you have trouble reading and writing but again - IF YOU READ BACK - the point was, (you and basspete said), that honda wouldn't want Stoner. Then you dribbled more about teams only wanting racers who are winning NOW.

When it comes to money,I imagine Stoner would make more on his next contract, because ducati was paying him .... all anyway. I thoroughly doubt whether he cares too much about how much he gets paid, as it'll be pretty substantial either way.

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No, what I implied by saying he'd get a c90 and a packet of crips was a lighthearted jibe at the fact that Stoner' stock must be falling off a bit just now.



Bit like the guy himself.



Please read all the words before replying to posts.

UK vs OZ, this is better than soccer.

TP70 said:

If you read my post correctly you will notice I implied as a #2 rider. I tend to agree with Rossi that there is only room in a team for one #1 rider and therefore I don't think Dani will stay at HRC. It is also why I have stated on a number of occasions that I think that Dani will end up as the #1 at Suzuki with a renewed effort, a new team management structure and a new spanish sponsor at Suzuki.

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I think Honda would have a younger rider in mind should a number 2 spot open up. That being Simoncelli or Aoyama, both haven't lit the track on fire as Dovi did his first year. So I can see your point of RdP as a possible 2nd should he have a good year up until signing time. Credit to RdP he has been having a good season, a huge contrast to his years of crashing. I just see it unlikely that a "free" seat opens up at HRC. Should Stoner sign, and Dovi stays, we could have another situation where there is no clear #1 rider on the team.



Dani to Suzuki with a renewed effort by Suzuki would be great for the whole sport, but what are the odds that Suzuki would do that? This certainly seems like this year is a do or die year for Suzuki, so far their effort has looked terrible. Either they step up the game next year as you have implied or go the way of team green and split.

TP70 said:

You see my opinion is that people on the inside of the sport don't react race to race like fans do. I think they have a fairly substantial understanding of exactly what each rider has to work with and what their actual level of skill is because to them it is a business and it is their business to know not to guess where as to us it is a spectator sport where we react to an outside view looking through the window at what we think we see on the inside of that window. Now an educated spectator may be able to have a good guess at what is going on but it is still only a guess.

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Great point, it is a business and the insiders certainly have a better grasp then us fans. But the forum is about having fun, getting into the sport a little deeper, and as you say, guessing about what is going on.

Jumkie said:

UK vs OZ, this is better than soccer.

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Not sure you could really classify it as a "v's" thing ....... more of a trying to "get some sense out of a bubbering child ( UK )" thing





But that was a very "v's" thing to say albeit true

Jumkie said:

UK vs OZ, this is better than soccer.

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Geez Jumkie, be careful or else you will get in big trouble from the purists.



While us Aussies and you Yanks call it soccer you will be told the true name is the beautiful game of Football (despite all the use of hands this year)









Oh yeah, the Brits are just jealous because we are crap at soccer on the world level and can acknowldge that but sadly they are still misguided enough to think they may well win it





But who cares, the French are out (as Homer Simpson would say - nobody likest he french)











Gaz

basspete said:

Eh??? how can you argue with the statement "Nicky is currently on better form than Stoner? The results are there, it is a factual statement!

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So far Stoner has DNFd two races. In one Stoner was struggling with a front end that wasn't suitable

to his style and hence riding very conservatively. At Silverstone - he (for whatever reason) bogged the

start - but once going - was doing (with apparent ease) laps that were way faster than Hayden's.

Another lap and a half - and he would have had 2nd place no problem. I'm a Hayden fan - but

realistically.... if Stoner has sorted out his front end issues, I believe you won't be seeing him behind

Hayden again. Nothing would make me happier than to see Nicky on the podium but if Stoner has

sorted out the front end - it seems very unlikely. Hayden is more likeable - but Stoner is a better

rider with many more poles and wins than Hayden over the last 4 years. Many.

No argument there, Kesh. Nicky's like the MotoGP equivalent of a prick-tease... brings his fans to the edge of ecstasy often but only makes you cum once every few years!!! LOL

Keshav said:

So far Stoner has DNFd two races. In one Stoner was struggling with a front end that wasn't suitable

to his style and hence riding very conservatively. At Silverstone - he (for whatever reason) bogged the

start - but once going - was doing (with apparent ease) laps that were way faster than Hayden's.

Another lap and a half - and he would have had 2nd place no problem. I'm a Hayden fan - but

realistically.... if Stoner has sorted out his front end issues, I believe you won't be seeing him behind

Hayden again. Nothing would make me happier than to see Nicky on the podium but if Stoner has

sorted out the front end - it seems very unlikely. Hayden is more likeable - but Stoner is a better

rider with many more poles and wins than Hayden over the last 4 years. Many.

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Exactly, Nicky hasn't crashed out of 2 races, or bogged down on the line. He is 17 points ahead of Stoner in the championship, therefore, he is currently on better form than Stoner. I'm not saying Nicky is the better rider, I'm talking current form. You have just confirmed what I have said in your post! Believe it or not, I am aware of who Casey is and what he has achieved, If he had another lap and a half, if he sorted the front end means jack. If Rossi had not broken his leg he might be leading the championship, if Lorenzo had crashed out on lap one, Stoner could have won the race. But thats not what happened, so we have to go with the FACTS. Nicky is leading Casey in the standings. FACT.

Jumkie said:

UK vs OZ, this is better than soccer.

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Or as I like to call it, "Shooting fish in a barrel"