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Stoner speaks out

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Apr 17 2009, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I do admit Tom does come off as a "know it all", and always seems to pat himself on the back everytime he posts. But then again Jumkie, Rog, and Pete you're all just bullies anyways so I see nothing wrong with Tom standing up to you all.


Did someone hurt your feelings?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Apr 17 2009, 02:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Did someone hurt your feelings?
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No....but looks like I hurt yours. Did you want me to mention your name also with those group of guys, feeling left out? Go have a nice day you sheep.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Apr 17 2009, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I do admit Tom does come off as a "know it all", and always seems to pat himself on the back everytime he posts. But then again Jumkie, Rog, and Pete you're all just bullies anyways so I see nothing wrong with Tom standing up to you all.


I don't bully, I call out .........

The only person Ive ever picked on in this forum is Hopper and he makes enough cash not to worry what I think.

Pete
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Apr 17 2009, 10:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No....but looks like I hurt yours. Did you want me to mention your name also with those group of guys, feeling left out? Go have a nice day you sheep.


Oh you really did, I feel so left out and hurt. Being called a bully is what I strive for. But calling me a sheep, wow thats just so mean and nasty. I'm gonna have to leave the forum because of the shame
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 17 2009, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nurburring can reffer to numerous track layouts, most commonly the new GP track (which i'm not especially fond of). If i believed the claims you make about yourself i would of expected you to know that, fortunately i don't fall for it.
the Nordschleife is a short 21k part of the circuit used mainly for production car racing. To prefer that is like preferring the i.o.m with the mountain section missing imo.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Apr 4 2009, 07:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Riders being past their prime and/or unwanted in GP are not precluded from improving another series. Leaving aside riders like Haga who have long since returned to superbikes, you've at least got the recent midpackers from GP like Biaggi and Checa who have gone to SBK and immediately made an impact, winning races and posing somewhat credible championship threats. To a lesser extent you have riders like Nakano, and who knows what Hopkins will bring.

Looking closer he mentions "ex-champions", so that pretty much means Biaggi and his 250 championships. Midpack GP riders going to SBK certainly improves the series, and in many cases also gives them a ride that's capable of winning a race absent freaky circumstances, provided they ride well. The escalating costs, low number of competitive rides, and excellence of the riders at the very top of GPs have made it really difficult for second-tier riders to challenge, even on their best days. When those guys move on the superbikes, the superbike series often benefits.

Biaggi was a mid pack rider? When? He finished in the top 3 in the standings in 6 of the 8 years he was in the premier class. Only finishing 4th in 1999 and 5th in 2005. Only 1 winless season. Until Gibernau came along in 2003, he was Rossi's only consistent competition.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Apr 20 2009, 08:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Biaggi was a mid pack rider? When? He finished in the top 3 in the standings in 6 of the 8 years he was in the premier class. Only finishing 4th in 1999 and 5th in 2005. Only 1 winless season. Until Gibernau came along in 2003, he was Rossi's only consistent competition.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Apr 20 2009, 08:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Biaggi was a mid pack rider? When? He finished in the top 3 in the standings in 6 of the 8 years he was in the premier class. Only finishing 4th in 1999 and 5th in 2005. Only 1 winless season. Until Gibernau came along in 2003, he was Rossi's only consistent competition.

Ha you beat me to that answer! Biaggi was one of the guys you could always rely on to brimg the fireworks since his early days in 500 GP.

To be honest, the guy has grown on me since going to WSBK.

Pete
 
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love him or loath him he was never a "mid packer". that sounds like a misguided conclusion from someone who has not followed gp for more than a few season's
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checa was only a mid packer towards the end of his career. he could be quite formidable in his day.

your only as good as your last race i guess.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (speedfreak @ Apr 20 2009, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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love him or loath him he was never a "mid packer". that sounds like a misguided conclusion from someone who has not followed gp for more than a few season's
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checa was only a mid packer towards the end of his career. he could be quite formidable in his day.

your only as good as your last race i guess.

When Checa took the money (or bought the ride) at Ducati, leaving a great ride with Yamaha, his career went down. He did still suffer on that Yamaha. Only when he was with Tech 3 in 2006 did he finish outside the top 10 in the championship (while running a full season).

If he left for WSBK's early, he would be a force much like Haga has become.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (speedfreak @ Apr 20 2009, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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love him or loath him he was never a "mid packer". that sounds like a misguided conclusion from someone who has not followed gp for more than a few season's
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checa was only a mid packer towards the end of his career. he could be quite formidable in his day.

your only as good as your last race i guess.I've got nothing but respect for both riders. Like you said, at the time he switched series, Checa was a midpacker. Biaggi was a year removed from racing, and in his last season in GP he was the third-placing Honda. Yes, he was a consistent frontrunner earlier and yes politics had a big part to do with his career trajectory at that point. Midpacker might be overstating things (more than a little), but he was still a year removed from competition plus coming off of his worst GP season (and jumped in and started winning races right away). I'm not talking about career-midpack type riders, just ones whose most recent results in GPs were midpack(for whatever reason).

He's also grown on me a ton since he went to WSBK.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Apr 20 2009, 09:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've got nothing but respect for both riders. Like you said, at the time he switched series, Checa was a midpacker. Biaggi was a year removed from racing, and in his last season in GP he was the third-placing Honda. Yes, he was a consistent frontrunner earlier and yes politics had a big part to do with his career trajectory at that point. Midpacker might be overstating things (more than a little), but he was still a year removed from competition plus coming off of his worst GP season (and jumped in and started winning races right away). I'm not talking about career-midpack type riders, just ones whose most recent results in GPs were midpack(for whatever reason).

He's also grown on me a ton since he went to WSBK.
fair enough but he still cant shave his beard straight
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (speedfreak @ Apr 20 2009, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>fair enough but he still cant shave his beard straight
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Because he got his ... handed too him so many times by Rossi, his hands still have not stopped trembling.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Apr 20 2009, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Because he got his ... handed too him so many times by Rossi, his hands still have not stopped trembling.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (speedfreak @ Apr 20 2009, 09:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>fair enough but he still cant shave his beard straight
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I think he does it on purpose
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One side is slightly bigger than the other so he has a podium on his face!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 20 2009, 08:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>the Nordschleife is a short 21k part of the circuit used mainly for production car racing. To prefer that is like preferring the i.o.m with the mountain section missing imo.
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Short compared to what? It's bigger than the Gp track and the Südschleife (which no longer exists)
 
Sorry, coming in a bit late but IMO to say Biggi is/was a mid-pack rider is a gross understatement of the guys abilities, skill and talent.

He remains the only rider that I can think of to come from 250cc to 500cc and win his first ever race as well as produce consistent high results across the years.

Certainly he did not win the 500/MotoGP WC, but then nor have a lot of riders and then very few of them have won 4 x 250cc WC's.

Max will go down in history as one of the best riders never to have won the top class WC, which does not lessen his skill, just his record.

And yes, I actually like Max and have the utmost respect for him as a rider and personality (experience there).





Gaz
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Apr 16 2009, 02:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>To consider Tom to be as knowledgeable as Jumkie, Rog or Pete is to overate him. His comedy value and ability to talk about being an engineer can be compared (and is argueably superior) to Pinky, but he would have achieved considerably less without Google.

Pete
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Post of the year!

BTW, I noticed Tommy took his infamous masterpiece of a statement down from his sig. Wow, it only took over-a-year for him to realize people would read that and conclude about its author; what a fing M__R__N! (Missing letters have been withheld, but they look very much like 'zeros') I guess everybody has their own pace of learning in life, eh.

Shitya concedes, 'yeah, Tommy can be a self-aggrandizing bullshitter, but its so mean to call him on the ........'? Uhm, okay genius! The kid denotes one of the 'legends' of the sport (of which he now admits apparently) and denoted him "overrated"; and did it on a forum whose purpose is to gather fans of the sport? Uhm, yeah, perhaps that might not go over well. And now we are being mean because the kid put a big ... target that said; 'look at me I'm an as_____le.' Now I'm the bully? Okay, I can live with that.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 21 2009, 11:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>BTW, I noticed Tommy took his infamous masterpiece of a statement down from his sig. Wow, it only took over-a-year for him to realize people would read that and conclude about its author; what a fing M__R__N! (Missing letters have been withheld, but they look very much like 'zeros') I guess everybody has their own pace of learning in life, eh.

Shitya concedes, 'yeah, Tommy can be a self-aggrandizing bullshitter, but its so mean to call him on the ........'? Uhm, okay genius! The kid denotes one of the 'legends' of the sport (of which he now admits apparently) and denoted him "overrated"; and did it on a forum whose purpose is to gather fans of the sport?

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I realized from the start that people like you would conclude things about the author of an opinion you disagree with. Like you said, everyone has their own pace of learning so when you mature enough to accept that people can see things differently to you (even if it is regarding one of the sports legends), this forum will be a better place. Until then i'd imagine you'll continue to insinuate things about me to make you feel as though your opinion is more valid, and innevitably 'correct'. I knew the score with you a long time ago jumkie so you don't need to sweat my learning pace.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 22 2009, 09:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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I realized from the start that people like you would conclude things about the author of an opinion you disagree with. Like you said, everyone has their own pace of learning so when you mature enough to accept that people can see things differently to you (even if it is regarding one of the sports legends), this forum will be a better place. Until then i'd imagine you'll continue to insinuate things about me to make you feel as though your opinion is more valid, and innevitably 'correct'. I knew the score with you a long time ago jumkie so you don't need to sweat my learning pace.
The thing is tom, its not just jumkie that calls you out on your bs is it ? in fact most here do, so infact you are what you accuse jumkie of being
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And jumkie, you may be a bully but your not a "school yard bully" like stella (bm) called me
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