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I've accepted it.......I just laugh now.



Hence the Statler and Waldorf......
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Yeah, we all go to work to earn money first but you only make life harder if you act like a tool and all your work mates hate you. in my personal opinion i look at him as a spoiled brat with a bad attitude. He has little or no respect for his fellow competitors. It does get to him at time that people dis-like him, take the moaning about fans booing him as proof. He make's his work and life harder on himself than it needs to be. He will regret this in life after motogp when the only people who want anything to do with him are the berrymachines and pinkys of this world.



Hey 'chopperman' and all you others out there Stoner is aperfectionist and a guy who’s there to do a job that no one has done for Hondafor 5 years just like when he was at Ducati in 2007, he’s not just out thereriding around with his supermarket trolley like Hayden, Rossi and some othersout there, Hayden has been riding that thing for a while now and I think thatif anyone has the right and unbiased opinion and can make any statement aboutthe Ducati and how Hayden and Rossi is riding it that is should be Casey, so leave the guy alone and stopbitching and insinuating innuendos! This isjust not true and when Casey does retire he will I’m sure have many admirers andwill have the respect because Stoner will be one of the greats of this sport and I canassure you of that!



 
Hmmmmmmm............. Stoners last two years on pretty much the same bike didn't add up to much more than what Rossi is doing now ( save Rossi has fallen off less to this point) and Hayden is doing pretty much the same as he did last year.
 
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What?, you mean Rossi didn't punch De Puniet ??? .........
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PS...hasn't anyone got a WSBK seat for poor ol' Randy ????



While those two goons are talking about safety............Case,when you decided to punch him, you're lucky Randy didn't get a bigger shock and possibly drop the thing..........agressive little so and so.........nothing to do with Casey's riding ability, of course.



Sets a good road-Rage example for the kiddie's..don't it.



Wanna be respected, start acting respectable in more ways than setting incredible lap times and race wins, fantastic as they are.



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Would have some merit if weren't coming from such a hypocritical side of the fence.





They seem to live by the dictum "Do as I say, not as I do"

Both the well known australian web-site, gpone, and the well known australian commentator julian ryder said what randy did was really dangerous, whilst gpone said that stoner's response although arrogant and improper was not dangerous, and that randy was the one much more deserving of a fine, with which randy himself seemed to agree. Since stoner apologised, going by the jerez incident isn't that the same as the incident never having occurred anyway?
 
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Hmmmmmmm............. Stoners last two years on pretty much the same bike didn't add up to much more than what Rossi is doing now ( save Rossi has fallen off less to this point) and Hayden is doing pretty much the same as he did last year.



Yes and that is what will happen to Rossi and Hayden,they will never win a w/c and I will put my house on it, especially Hayden. Haydenis just a ride a rounder like he was when he won the w/c for Honda, how many gp’sdid Hayden win in 2006 or let’s see his statistics? Well I will tell you in2006 in the first 6 gp’s he didn’t win jack .... he came 2x2nd 3x3rd and 1x5thwhile Stoner in the first 6 gp’s has already won more gp’s then Hayden did in2006, Stoner first 6 gp’s 2011 are and I will remind you…4x 1[sup]st[/sup], 1x3[sup]rd[/sup], 1x DNF (and who’s fault was that a Ducati rider) and his totalpoints after 6 gp’s were 99 points and Stoner even with a DNF has 118 and agreater superiority over the w/c then Nicky ever had in 2006.







Now Nicky’s totalseasons points were 220 (don’t forget Stoner has already got 118 after 6 gp’s) towin the w/c and his statistics are as follows: 2x 1[sup]st[/sup], 3x 2[sup]nd[/sup],5x 3[sup]rd[/sup], 1x 4[sup]th[/sup], 3x 5[sup]th[/sup], 1x 7[sup]th[/sup], 1x9[sup]th[/sup], 1x DNF. Stoner is there for a porpoise and that is to win the2011 and more for Honda and Honda are just now realising what an asset theyhave in Stoner hes not there to be a clown like Rossi because Rossi is in hisown realm or delusional realm he’s not like that Stoner is a serious racer justlike Mick Doohan was Rainey was and many more from the past years. That is whyhe will be successful and a champion he’s there to entertain (but not withbeing a nice guy) he’s entertainment is on the track with speed slides andpolls and in winning races! Isn’t that what a motgp champion should do?



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Hmmmmmmm............. Stoners last two years on pretty much the same bike didn't add up to much more than what Rossi is doing now ( save Rossi has fallen off less to this point) and Hayden is doing pretty much the same as he did last year.

+1 and don't forget this year they have got 4 very fast Honda riders as well in the mix but having said that last race was pretty embarrassing for Rossi and his fans, especially finishing 35 seconds behind Hayden
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Perhaps I should scan in pages from the many books ( different authors) on Motogp where quite a few riders, and not all from the same area on the grid,(some from within the very "team" that has been with him since day one) think he's a ......, and behind closed garage doors, an abusive, temper tantrum throwing one at that ! (To his own team).............nothing to do with his riding ability.











And as for Casey busting through Nicky, making him stand up ( because he was dawdling on the racing line)......wonder what Casey ( or Hee-Haw) would have to say about it if Simoncelli had performed that manouvre ?.................or do we really have to wonder ????





Stoner, Great rider, fantastic...........rest of the time
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However, I think when more than one person is complaining about a particular rider, there is a case to be heard.........eh Randy ?????



Yes, valentino rossi is now complaining about randy as well (I am a randy fan btw).



Again, you guys generalise your dislike of stoner to everyone disliking him. I accept that many rossi fans, and now valentino rossi himself, don't like him but strongly suspect that, like stoner's fans including me, he might enjoy this, particularly while he is beating rossi. Again, I would like to see your evidence for stoner being disliked by other riders, or even complaints from other riders concerning his behaviour or the safety of his riding. On the other hand, so as not to disappoint hawkdriver, I can list quite a number of riders who don't like valentino rossi, and several with whom he conducted long-term feuds. If you say this is largely because they didn't/don't like being beaten by him, I might agree with you. QED.



This also applies to stoner's relationship to his crew. Despite all you say, the incontrovertible facts are that they have stayed with him. I have seen some of the mainly hearsay stuff to which you refer, and have seen video evidence of him occasionally storming into the pits and shutting the doors. Again so as not to disappoint hawkdriver, I saw a report that valentino did this as recently as the last race week-end. I am not criticising valentino for this, the commonality I would see is both riding ducatis rather than being mistreaters of their crews. What I haven't seen from stoner, as opposed to rossi, is apportioning of one third or any other proportion of the blame when his performance is poor to his crew, apart from the guy who didn't warm the tyre prior to valencia 2009. He also never blamed ducati whilst under contract to them, in fact going out of his way to say he and not the bike was the problem in 2009. He has also recently said that jb insulting his crew was of much more concern to him than valentino insulting him, and if you google christian gabarrini his crew chief as I did yesterday to determine whther he had been with casey on the lcr aprilia as well as the lcr honda you will find testimonies to casey. If I was to speculate in a similar fashion to you I might postulate that casey may have positive attributes which outweigh negative ones, and that like golf caddies they accept occasional displays of temperament from highly-wound sportsmen as par for the course.
 
+1 and don't forget this year they have got 4 very fast Honda riders as well in the mix but having said that last race was pretty embarrassing for Rossi and his fans, especially finishing 35 seconds behind Hayden
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im a fan and wasnt embarresed just think he needs some bigger balls and push harder... i have no doubt he could slide that thing about and be faster but i think his last injury unsettled him a little, the difference is rossi calaculates everything but stoner just let it rip win or loose.



thats why im not so worried about his lack of speed i know he is playing it safe while trying to make a more competative bike, but i think hes playing it to safe.
 
im a fan and wasnt embarresed just think he needs some bigger balls and push harder... i have no doubt he could slide that thing about and be faster but i think his last injury unsettled him a little, the difference is rossi calaculates everything but stoner just let it rip win or loose.



thats why im not so worried about his lack of speed i know he is playing it safe while trying to make a more competative bike, but i think hes playing it to safe.



Perhaps not embarressed but i was well disappointed with his last performance though. I was hoping that he will be fighting for podiums at this stage of the championship but for some reason nothing worked for him last weekend and in the end rain saved the day for him otherwise in dry he could have finished on 11th or 12th position.
 
+1 and don't forget this year they have got 4 very fast Honda riders as well in the mix but having said that last race was pretty embarrassing for Rossi and his fans, especially finishing 35 seconds behind Hayden
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Totally true with what you are saying, and let me come backto Simo who everyone thinks he’s fast, ok he snitched poll off Stoner and he’sbeen very successful with his antics yes he's a hippy guy his wild hair wildnessand all the Italian madness & stupidities put together but when it come sto the crunch...Simo is not a match for Stoner be it this year or next year orever, the overtaking move on Pedro was fair I think that Pedro has never everexperienced an overtake like that and Pedro was the one at fault because if hewould have stayed and committed to that corner the he would have never had to get up and gostraight into Simo, I thought that Pedro was at fault in that incident and he'sgot nothing to complain about, but in saying all this Stoner knows Simosmadness and he will treat him with content every time that they race, just likehe did with Rossi in 2007 he will give him no opportunities no outside insidetakes especially with what happened to him at Jerez with the so called 'yourambition way outweighs your talent' so please just judge riders by their talentand not by continually bagging them and writing ........ and innuendos!
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I do not generalise my dislike into others disliking him......... or else I'd be able to have a bigger go at Lorenzo.
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and as far as dislike, it's more a case of (upon re-reading afew bits from the books........my computer doesn't like my scanner for some reason........) "just who the .... does this guy think he is !!??' from, to list a few,



Hayden, Pedrosa, Edwards, Dovi, Toesland, Melandri..they're just the bits I have re-read. Alot of his comments, and walking up to people in the pits and telling them how it is, revolved around incidents he wasn't even a part of.



As an example, Toesland ( it's the one I have handy at the computer desk.....and yes, I am aware of how dim Toeslands light shone in GP, but that is not the relevant point here ),



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Hayden, a shadow of the former contender from twoyears before, was not laughing when Toesland held him in Qualifying in Portugal. it was one of those unfortunate things that happens to all riders on hot laps,but Hayden, desperate to get back to the top , took it badly Toesland went to Haydens garage to apologize. "I shook his hand and said, sorry pal, I was on a race tyre. He looked at me and said...' that's alot of sorrys in the last two weekends'........That got me, Not to you pal....I've not come across you "



Later Toesland went to Haydens motorhometo apologize again, but had the door slammed in his face. Toesland shrugged, sod him...if that was his attitude.



Later that night, Nicky had calmed down and sought out Toesland.



"Sorry, I was acting like a baby"



Then Stoner chirpped up at the next race and said "I have been watching the last two races, and have come to the conclusion....."



Come to the conclusion !!!....give me a break !!



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Stoner after being asked about whether it was safe Lorenzo racing with two broken ankles on a 230 mph bike........Moody was shocked at the vehemance of his response



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"Are you kidding me !!?? He's qualified in fourth place for crying out loud !!!......it's all an act, this rolling around in the gravel trap for five minutes, you know. They've got him a wheelchair pushing him around the paddock. It's a joke !!



When moody recounted this in a blog....the Ducati PR machine was upset.





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Now, as much as I am not tolerant of Lorenzo, or a fan of his personality......I hardly think Stoners comments were rational, or justified.



If I had two broken ....... ankles, and was able ( when pumped full of pain killers) to put in the bare minimum of laps to get some points in the hope of keeping my season alive.........I'd be getting pushed around in a wheel chair every other minute of the day as well !!!



truth is, I'd be bloody rolling 'round in the gravel trap for a whole lot longer than five minutes too !!!



But, what can you expect after comments from the luminary that is Stoner given the things he said about Pedrobot and his busted bits before "That" Phillip Island race.



Danny responded in the best way known...........his bike spoke.



.......and Stoners didn't.

Bit more serious than an upset tummy.



As for Toesland, what the .... did the incident have to do with him, and who gives a smoking toss what "conclusion" he's come to ??



And I am in no way a Toesland fan, so don't bother with any sort of diatribe that I am sticking up for him. He was in the way..........he was slow, he did fall off a lot.



All this could be said of De Puniet....I may bag him out, but truth is, they were/are both doing the best job they can on subby equipment, and everbody slips up and makes mistakes from time to time.



The sentence I highlighted one line into the first paragraph of the first quote is a known fact, and Stoner getting on his high bloody horse, and reacting as if people do this .... on purpose to him, is an absolute joke.



Sure, crack the ..... Casey, glare, shake fists and have words in private (like Toesland/Hayden.......and countless others)...............but I for one am not interested in hearing about "The world of MotoGP, how it should be, everybody's in my way and my opinions of them" by Casey bloody Stoner.



Shut up and ride.



Even bloody Lorenzo doesn't throw his opinions around as much !!.......and if achievent, experience and race wins counts toward having a valid opinion of other people and their riding ability ( or lack there-of)...then Lorenzo has Stoner at 3 world titles to one.



Shut up and ride the bike. Stop looking like a .....



Truth is, as stated in many puplications (and said by him in a candid interview), he feels under appreciated in light of all that he's achieved, and has a chip on his shoulder about it.



Not my words, but the words of many others.



Maybe if he shut up, kept his opinions to himself and just rode the bloody bike, let his outstanding ( not sarcasm) achievements speak for themselves, more people would appreciate the amazing stuff he does.



Keep carrying on like a bad tempered, opinionated twerp.......and that's what people will remember.



Biaggi wasn't really a slouch on a bike ( he was beaten by better riders).........you don't win titles by bloody fluke, but what do we all remember him as ?







Stoner............amazing ability on a bike. The mouth side of things ?..........well......
 
Perhaps not embarressed but i was well disappointed with his last performance though. I was hoping that he will be fighting for podiums at this stage of the championship but for some reason nothing worked for him last weekend and in the end rain saved the day for him otherwise in dry he could have finished on 11th of 12th position.





yes he could of but he wont ride it to spiting point like stoner did, as i say rossi is calculated and knows if it spits it could be over.



i dont think we will see much improvement for a few races yet, the requested parts should arrive over the net few races and they should (hopefully) make a difference
 
I do not generalise my dislike into others disliking him......... or else I'd be able to have a bigger go at Lorenzo.
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and as far as dislike, it's more a case of (upon re-reading afew bits from the books........my computer doesn't like my scanner for some reason........) "just who the .... does this guy think he is !!??' from, to list a few,



Hayden, Pedrosa, Edwards, Dovi, Toesland, Melandri..they're just the bits I have re-read. Alot of his comments, and walking up to people in the pits and telling them how it is, revolved around incidents he wasn't even a part of.



As an example, Toesland ( it's the one I have handy at the computer desk.....and yes, I am aware of how dim Toeslands light shone in GP, but that is not the relevant point here ),



to quote'





Hayden, a shadow of the former contender from twoyears before, was not laughing when Toesland held him in Qualifying in Portugal. it was one of those unfortunate things that happens to all riders on hot laps,but Hayden, desperate to get back to the top , took it badly Toesland went to Haydens garage to apologize. "I shook his hand and said, sorry pal, I was on a race tyre. He looked at me and said...' that's alot of sorrys in the last two weekends'........That got me, Not to you pal....I've not come across you "



Later Toesland went to Haydens motorhometo apologize again, but had the door slammed in his face. Toesland shrugged, sod him...if that was his attitude.



Later that night, Nicky had calmed down and sought out Toesland.



"Sorry, I was acting like a baby"



Then Stoner chirpped up at the next race and said "I have been watching the last two races, and have come to the conclusion....."



Come to the conclusion !!!....give me a break !!



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Stoner after being asked about whether it was safe Lorenzo racing with two broken ankles on a 230 mph bike........Moody was shocked at the vehemance of his response



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"Are you kidding me !!?? He's qualified in fourth place for crying out loud !!!......it's all an act, this rolling around in the gravel trap for five minutes, you know. They've got him a wheelchair pushing him around the paddock. It's a joke !!



When moody recounted this in a blog....the Ducati PR machine was upset.





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Now, as much as I am not tolerant of Lorenzo, or a fan of his personality......I hardly think Stoners comments were rational, or justified.



If I had two broken ....... ankles, and was able ( when pumped full of pain killers) to put in the bare minimum of laps to get some points in the hope of keeping my season alive.........I'd be getting pushed around in a wheel chair every other minute of the day as well !!!



truth is, I'd be bloody rolling 'round in the gravel trap for a whole lot longer than five minutes too !!!



But, what can you expect after comments from the luminary that is Stoner given the things he said about Pedrobot and his busted bits before "That" Phillip Island race.



Danny responded in the best way known...........his bike spoke.



.......and Stoners didn't.

Bit more serious than an upset tummy.



As for Toesland, what the .... did the incident have to do with him, and who gives a smoking toss what "conclusion" he's come to ??



And I am in no way a Toesland fan, so don't bother with any sort of diatribe that I am sticking up for him. He was in the way..........he was slow, he did fall off a lot.



All this could be said of De Puniet....I may bag him out, but truth is, they were/are both doing the best job they can on subby equipment, and everbody slips up and makes mistakes from time to time.



The sentence I highlighted one line into the first paragraph of the first quote is a known fact, and Stoner getting on his high bloody horse, and reacting as if people do this .... on purpose to him, is an absolute joke.



Sure, crack the ..... Casey, glare, shake fists and have words in private (like Toesland/Hayden.......and countless others)...............but I for one am not interested in hearing about "The world of MotoGP, how it should be, everybody's in my way and my opinions of them" by Casey bloody Stoner.



Shut up and ride.



Even bloody Lorenzo doesn't throw his opinions around as much !!.......and if achievent, experience and race wins counts toward having a valid opinion of other people and their riding ability ( or lack there-of)...then Lorenzo has Stoner at 3 world titles to one.



Shut up and ride the bike. Stop looking like a .....



Truth is, as stated in many puplications, he feels under appreciated in light of all that he's achieved, and has a chip on his shoulder about it.



Not my words, but the words of many others.



Maybe if he shut up, kept his opinions to himself and just rode the bloody bike, let his outstanding ( not sarcasm) achievements speak for themselves, more people would appreciate the amazing stuff he does.



Keep carrying on like a bad tempered, opinionated twerp.......and that's what people will remember.



Biaggi wasn't really a slouch on a bike ( he was beaten by better riders).........you don't win titles by bloody fluke, but what do we all remember him as ?







Stoner............amazing ability on a bike. The mouth side of things ?..........well......





'Fred Gassit' calm down mate!!! You’re talking ....,Stoner has had a very hard and bad initiation into Motogp firstly with LCR in 2005 whata joke and then all of a sudden he won the w/c with Ducati what arevelation that was and then all the years with that make which werefrustrating and very poor in as far as a conclusive result that he was aimingfor!

Now with Lorenzo in the 250cc Lorenzo always had it all over Dovi but this was only in as far as equipment because Honda pulled out of the 250cc and Lorenzo had all the glory and success that he deserved no doubt but now the shoe(s) on the other foot and both Stoner Dovi are on the best so let’s see these guys perform like they have never had to before, be it Lorenzo Rossi who are in a special circumstance now and have never been in this situation before, in my opinion and have had it all going their own way both in equipment antics and the lot.



2011 is a different season for these guys and Stoner has every right to babble complain and do whatever he wants because he’s the fastest and the best…and when we get these other guys who are and think that they are personalities in their minds only then we have a very big problem in motogp, its all talk and antics and no action just like the incident with pedrosa because I never ever thought that Simo should have got that ride through penalty!
 
I do not generalise my dislike into others disliking him......... or else I'd be able to have a bigger go at Lorenzo.
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and as far as dislike, it's more a case of (upon re-reading afew bits from the books........my computer doesn't like my scanner for some reason........) "just who the .... does this guy think he is !!??' from, to list a few,



Hayden, Pedrosa, Edwards, Dovi, Toesland, Melandri..they're just the bits I have re-read. Alot of his comments, and walking up to people in the pits and telling them how it is, revolved around incidents he wasn't even a part of.



As an example, Toesland ( it's the one I have handy at the computer desk.....and yes, I am aware of how dim Toeslands light shone in GP, but that is not the relevant point here ),



to quote'





Hayden, a shadow of the former contender from twoyears before, was not laughing when Toesland held him in Qualifying in Portugal. it was one of those unfortunate things that happens to all riders on hot laps,but Hayden, desperate to get back to the top , took it badly Toesland went to Haydens garage to apologize. "I shook his hand and said, sorry pal, I was on a race tyre. He looked at me and said...' that's alot of sorrys in the last two weekends'........That got me, Not to you pal....I've not come across you "



Later Toesland went to Haydens motorhometo apologize again, but had the door slammed in his face. Toesland shrugged, sod him...if that was his attitude.



Later that night, Nicky had calmed down and sought out Toesland.



"Sorry, I was acting like a baby"



Then Stoner chirpped up at the next race and said "I have been watching the last two races, and have come to the conclusion....."



Come to the conclusion !!!....give me a break !!



end quote.



Stoner after being asked about whether it was safe Lorenzo racing with two broken ankles on a 230 mph bike........Moody was shocked at the vehemance of his response



Quote.



"Are you kidding me !!?? He's qualified in fourth place for crying out loud !!!......it's all an act, this rolling around in the gravel trap for five minutes, you know. They've got him a wheelchair pushing him around the paddock. It's a joke !!



When moody recounted this in a blog....the Ducati PR machine was upset.





end Quote.



Now, as much as I am not tolerant of Lorenzo, or a fan of his personality......I hardly think Stoners comments were rational, or justified.



If I had two broken ....... ankles, and was able ( when pumped full of pain killers) to put in the bare minimum of laps to get some points in the hope of keeping my season alive.........I'd be getting pushed around in a wheel chair every other minute of the day as well !!!



truth is, I'd be bloody rolling 'round in the gravel trap for a whole lot longer than five minutes too !!!



But, what can you expect after comments from the luminary that is Stoner given the things he said about Pedrobot and his busted bits before "That" Phillip Island race.



Danny responded in the best way known...........his bike spoke.



.......and Stoners didn't.

Bit more serious than an upset tummy.



As for Toesland, what the .... did the incident have to do with him, and who gives a smoking toss what "conclusion" he's come to ??



And I am in no way a Toesland fan, so don't bother with any sort of diatribe that I am sticking up for him. He was in the way..........he was slow, he did fall off a lot.



All this could be said of De Puniet....I may bag him out, but truth is, they were/are both doing the best job they can on subby equipment, and everbody slips up and makes mistakes from time to time.



The sentence I highlighted one line into the first paragraph of the first quote is a known fact, and Stoner getting on his high bloody horse, and reacting as if people do this .... on purpose to him, is an absolute joke.



Sure, crack the ..... Casey, glare, shake fists and have words in private (like Toesland/Hayden.......and countless others)...............but I for one am not interested in hearing about "The world of MotoGP, how it should be, everybody's in my way and my opinions of them" by Casey bloody Stoner.



Shut up and ride.



Even bloody Lorenzo doesn't throw his opinions around as much !!.......and if achievent, experience and race wins counts toward having a valid opinion of other people and their riding ability ( or lack there-of)...then Lorenzo has Stoner at 3 world titles to one.



Shut up and ride the bike. Stop looking like a .....



Truth is, as stated in many puplications, he feels under appreciated in light of all that he's achieved, and has a chip on his shoulder about it.



Not my words, but the words of many others.



Maybe if he shut up, kept his opinions to himself and just rode the bloody bike, let his outstanding ( not sarcasm) achievements speak for themselves, more people would appreciate the amazing stuff he does.



Keep carrying on like a bad tempered, opinionated twerp.......and that's what people will remember.



Biaggi wasn't really a slouch on a bike ( he was beaten by better riders).........you don't win titles by bloody fluke, but what do we all remember him as ?







Stoner............amazing ability on a bike. The mouth side of things ?..........well......





'Fred Gassit' calm down mate!!! You’re talking ....,Stoner has had a very hard and bad initiation into Motogp firstly with LCR in 2005 whata joke and then all of a sudden he won the w/c with Ducati what arevelation that was and then all the years with that make which werefrustrating and very poor in as far as a conclusive result that he was aimingfor!

Now with Lorenzo in the 250cc Lorenzo always had it all over Dovi but this was only in as far as equipment because Honda pulled out of the 250cc and Lorenzo had all the glory and success that he deserved no doubt but now the shoe(s) on the other foot and both Stoner Dovi are on the best so let’s see these guys perform like they have never had to before, be it Lorenzo Rossi who are in a special circumstance now and have never been in this situation before, in my opinion and have had it all going their own way both in equipment antics and the lot.



2011 is a different season for these guys and Stoner has every right to babble complain and do whatever he wants because he’s the fastest and the best…and when we get these other guys who are and think that they are personalities in their minds only then we have a very big problem in motogp, its all talk and antics and no action just like the incident with pedrosa because I never ever thought that Simo should have got that ride through penalty!
 
yes he could of but he wont ride it to spiting point like stoner did, as i say rossi is calculated and knows if it spits it could be over.



i dont think we will see much improvement for a few races yet, the requested parts should arrive over the net few races and they should (hopefully) make a difference

To be fair, I don't think stoner was pushing it for a while after his early season offs last year, and along with bike improvements dani's form at honda meant he needed to perform particularly while his status at honda for 2011 and even the make-up of the factory honda team was uncertain.



I can understand someone with rossi's record of success not wanting to risk life and limb for the sake of finishing 5th rather than 6th on a bike with problems not of his devising, and if (or perhaps when) he comes back with a roar next year this year will be quickly forgotten.
 
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Another pathetic beat up on CS, some crap here is like what you read in womens magazines
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Oh so he's not liked do you think he really cares ? mostly due to being misunderstood or just hopeless at getting his point of view across gracefully and then at times mis quoted - if thats all he does wrong big Fucken deal, as Scotty mentions above its the race and where you finish that counts thats all not a fucken personality contest,or he man I keep racing with injuries contest blahblahblah.......it ain't like it used to be FG as you know, for eg CE, for all his determination will never go down as a Legend (<word used incorrectly so many times in this day and age) or a champion of the sport but a good reliable rider who will pick up points but never got there like manymany others before.



Big deal about CS's past results on the Duc compared to what is done now - facts are he did it on the POS, binned it crapped it and everything else but importantly he won a Championship !, gained many points Duc never dreamed of having, put them on the motogp map forever with the POS.....(love their road bikes forever especially the Duc 900SS) so WTF comparing to VR and especially Nicky only at mid season......there are so many variables.

Phhhht the Duc points gained this season is purely from circulating and gains fortunate from attrition - good luck to them and I really do hope they get it together as the sport needs competitve manufacturers but getting back on the point not every rider is going to be mr personality live with it as he or any other rider arn't there to win YOUR approval !
 
I do not generalise my dislike into others disliking him......... or else I'd be able to have a bigger go at Lorenzo.
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and as far as dislike, it's more a case of (upon re-reading afew bits from the books........my computer doesn't like my scanner for some reason........) "just who the .... does this guy think he is !!??' from, to list a few,



Hayden, Pedrosa, Edwards, Dovi, Toesland, Melandri..they're just the bits I have re-read. Alot of his comments, and walking up to people in the pits and telling them how it is, revolved around incidents he wasn't even a part of.



As an example, Toesland ( it's the one I have handy at the computer desk.....and yes, I am aware of how dim Toeslands light shone in GP, but that is not the relevant point here ),



to quote'





Hayden, a shadow of the former contender from twoyears before, was not laughing when Toesland held him in Qualifying in Portugal. it was one of those unfortunate things that happens to all riders on hot laps,but Hayden, desperate to get back to the top , took it badly Toesland went to Haydens garage to apologize. "I shook his hand and said, sorry pal, I was on a race tyre. He looked at me and said...' that's alot of sorrys in the last two weekends'........That got me, Not to you pal....I've not come across you "



Later Toesland went to Haydens motorhometo apologize again, but had the door slammed in his face. Toesland shrugged, sod him...if that was his attitude.



Later that night, Nicky had calmed down and sought out Toesland.



"Sorry, I was acting like a baby"



Then Stoner chirpped up at the next race and said "I have been watching the last two races, and have come to the conclusion....."



Come to the conclusion !!!....give me a break !!



end quote.



Stoner after being asked about whether it was safe Lorenzo racing with two broken ankles on a 230 mph bike........Moody was shocked at the vehemance of his response



Quote.



"Are you kidding me !!?? He's qualified in fourth place for crying out loud !!!......it's all an act, this rolling around in the gravel trap for five minutes, you know. They've got him a wheelchair pushing him around the paddock. It's a joke !!



When moody recounted this in a blog....the Ducati PR machine was upset.





end Quote.



Now, as much as I am not tolerant of Lorenzo, or a fan of his personality......I hardly think Stoners comments were rational, or justified.



If I had two broken ....... ankles, and was able ( when pumped full of pain killers) to put in the bare minimum of laps to get some points in the hope of keeping my season alive.........I'd be getting pushed around in a wheel chair every other minute of the day as well !!!



truth is, I'd be bloody rolling 'round in the gravel trap for a whole lot longer than five minutes too !!!



But, what can you expect after comments from the luminary that is Stoner given the things he said about Pedrobot and his busted bits before "That" Phillip Island race.



Danny responded in the best way known...........his bike spoke.



.......and Stoners didn't.

Bit more serious than an upset tummy.



As for Toesland, what the .... did the incident have to do with him, and who gives a smoking toss what "conclusion" he's come to ??



And I am in no way a Toesland fan, so don't bother with any sort of diatribe that I am sticking up for him. He was in the way..........he was slow, he did fall off a lot.



All this could be said of De Puniet....I may bag him out, but truth is, they were/are both doing the best job they can on subby equipment, and everbody slips up and makes mistakes from time to time.



The sentence I highlighted one line into the first paragraph of the first quote is a known fact, and Stoner getting on his high bloody horse, and reacting as if people do this .... on purpose to him, is an absolute joke.



Sure, crack the ..... Casey, glare, shake fists and have words in private (like Toesland/Hayden.......and countless others)...............but I for one am not interested in hearing about "The world of MotoGP, how it should be, everybody's in my way and my opinions of them" by Casey bloody Stoner.



Shut up and ride.



Even bloody Lorenzo doesn't throw his opinions around as much !!.......and if achievent, experience and race wins counts toward having a valid opinion of other people and their riding ability ( or lack there-of)...then Lorenzo has Stoner at 3 world titles to one.



Shut up and ride the bike. Stop looking like a .....



Truth is, as stated in many puplications (and said by him in a candid interview), he feels under appreciated in light of all that he's achieved, and has a chip on his shoulder about it.



Not my words, but the words of many others.



Maybe if he shut up, kept his opinions to himself and just rode the bloody bike, let his outstanding ( not sarcasm) achievements speak for themselves, more people would appreciate the amazing stuff he does.



Keep carrying on like a bad tempered, opinionated twerp.......and that's what people will remember.



Biaggi wasn't really a slouch on a bike ( he was beaten by better riders).........you don't win titles by bloody fluke, but what do we all remember him as ?







Stoner............amazing ability on a bike. The mouth side of things ?..........well......

You keep listing things he has said that you find objectionable, rather than any condemnation of him/complaints about him by other riders.



I recall the lorenzo comment, I thought it was bad at the time and don't defend it whether or not it contained any truth (as I recall it partly concerned jorge exaggerating things by using a wheelchair), but their relationship now seems not to involve much dislike which is my point. Several other riders you mention, particularly colin edwards, seem to rather like casey, and pedrosa and he have always shown great mutual respect during their entire senior careers. Whether or not he is impolite in word or gesture he does what is really important in an exemplary fashion, which is to ride fairly and safely as well as extraordinarily fast, and for this he is generally respected whatever you might like to think.



As I have said, as a stoner fan (concerning which allegiance I am open as opposed to some about their allegiances) I think it is good the only avenue of attack on him now is on his character/personality, with all of the manifold criticism of him as a rider now looking rather threadbare.



We all know that his real character flaw is, a propensity to beat valentino rossi on a regular basis, and that if he otherwise behaved like St Francis of Assisi this character defect would still be irredeemable among a certain faction of fandom.
 
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on ya Scotty !

Another pathetic beat up on CS, some crap here is like what you read in womens magazines
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Oh so he's not liked do you think he really cares ? mostly due to being misunderstood or just hopeless at getting his point of view across gracefully and then at times mis quoted - if thats all he does wrong big Fucken deal, as Scotty mentions above its the race and where you finish that counts thats all not a fucken personality contest,or he man I keep racing with injuries contest blahblahblah.......it ain't like it used to be FG as you know, for eg CE, for all his determination will never go down as a Legend (<word used incorrectly so many times in this day and age) or a champion of the sport but a good reliable rider who will pick up points but never got there like manymany others before.



Big deal about CS's past results on the Duc compared to what is done now - facts are he did it on the POS, binned it crapped it and everything else but importantly he won a Championship !, gained many points Duc never dreamed of having, put them on the motogp map forever with the POS.....(love their road bikes forever especially the Duc 900SS) so WTF comparing to VR and especially Nicky only at mid season......there are so many variables.

Phhhht the Duc points gained this season is purely from circulating and gains fortunate from attrition - good luck to them and I really do hope they get it together as the sport needs competitve manufacturers but getting back on the point not every rider is going to be mr personality live with it as he or any other rider arn't there to win YOUR approval !



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"FTE217' Yeah youre the woman, and you antics are like a magazines 'patheti'c, look at the facts cobber and dont just say 'Big deal about CS's past results on the Duc compared to what is done now who cares what CS did on the Duke?' really I'm sure that Dukati care if they didnt then they are stupid, but lets see where they get with hayden and Rossi in the next few years???



Stoner is an Aussie yes we are wingers but when we are on a good thing we stick to it!!!! And yes 'FTE217' I do agree with most that you say but I will always give credit where its due to Stoner no matter what, because hes evolved from just pure talent and no ........ like the rest of them have in the 125cc 250cc and motogp...Stoner has the aussie spirit and determination and I can live with that always and forever!
 
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hey Scotty - I know the facts cobber and your misinterpreting part of my post, your not a woman ?
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antics ? not relevant.



Other posters were making out comparos his past performances/results to date compared to same time now as VR and NH.

I was saying you cannot compare what the Duc was for CS, to the present Duc, is very different having been played with and changed by JB and Duc management and ofcourse they care ! sheeesh !



Other than that Scotty I do agree with your last paragraph.
 
So if Stoner on the Duc was so bad, and on that Duc he got the most wins of the 800cc era ........... what does that say about the others?
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Matter of fact in the 800cc era can anybody mathematically catch him? Yes Rossi could ...... but I can't see it.



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