<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 8 2008, 12:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well whether or not riders should be allowed to race when injured is another discussion for another day but as it stands the decision is up to them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jul 8 2008, 06:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey everybody!!..Tom is "pretty sure"...so it MUST be fact!
i tell ya curve, some of the stuff he comes out with, we must have a motogp crew chief on our forum going under the pseudonym tom.
We haven't even began to discuss the medical responsibility issue so i don't know how you can win anything. Especially when you insist that Loris's fitness should be judged by the team manager rather than doctors or the rider themself.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jul 8 2008, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sometimes there has to be sense of reason and thats what Managers are there for.Most athletes always think they can go,its a fear of being replaced if they dont.Ive had teammates tell the coach they can go on a football field with a broken ankle or ripped up knee and literally break down and cry or get violently mad when the coach [manager] tells them no.I admire that in a person but sometime you have to tell them no for their own good.
i agree.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jul 8 2008, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sometimes there has to be sense of reason and thats what Managers are there for.Most athletes always think they can go,its a fear of being replaced if they dont.Ive had teammates tell the coach they can go on a football field with a broken ankle or ripped up knee and literally break down and cry or get violently mad when the coach [manager] tells them no.I admire that in a person but sometime you have to tell them no for their own good.
Like i have said before, the medical responsibility debate is a big topic which should probably be covered seperately. In brief though i think the doctors, race direction and the safetey commission should have the ability to stop hurt riders from racing on safetey grounds. Particularly when it comes to head injuries.
We haven't even began to discuss the medical responsibility issue so i don't know how you can win anything. Especially when you insist that Loris's fitness should be judged by the team manager rather than doctors or the rider themself.
Blah blah blah..you can't come back after a surrender!..piss off!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jul 8 2008, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>funny how Tom spits and ....... about numbers and facts yet when he's "pretty sure" its GOLD.
what a ......
a huh huh huh huuh huh you said ....... huh huh huh huuh.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jul 8 2008, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>funny how Tom spits and ....... about numbers and facts yet when he's "pretty sure" its GOLD.
what a ......
Okay, number of team managers who replace their riders when the feel like it: To my knowledge, none in motogp. Help me out if you guys are sure this is standard team managers power
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 8 2008, 01:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Okay, number of team managers who replace their riders when the feel like it: To my knowledge, none in motogp. Help me out if you guys are sure this is standard team managers power
What about the case of Alex Hofmann? Sorry, just had to ask.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 8 2008, 07:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Okay, number of team managers who replace their riders when the feel like it: To my knowledge, none in motogp. Help me out if you guys are sure this is standard team managers power
where not team managers so how would we know what powers they have or what riders contracts say. you seem to be pretty clued up on it tho.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jul 8 2008, 07:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What about the case of Alex Hofmann? Sorry, just had to ask.
Well he was technically sacked and whether or not that was reasonably handled is up to the lawers.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 8 2008, 07:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>where not team managers so how would we know what powers they have or what riders contracts say. you seem to be pretty clued up on it tho.
I just think it would be illogical to have a contract that said "i ride for this team, unless they fancy someone else". Imagine the amount of team fall outs in the past that would have resulted in team managers confiscating the bikes and leaving the riders jobless mid-season. Performance based get-out clauses are becoming more common, but thats a different issue.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 8 2008, 07:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I just think it would be illogical to have a contract that said "i ride for this team, unless they fancy someone else". Imagine the amount of team fall outs in the past that would have resulted in team managers confiscating the bikes and leaving the riders jobless mid-season. Performance based get-out clauses are becoming more common, but thats a different issue.
it's called small print tom. most contracts have it in my experience.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 8 2008, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I just think it would be illogical to have a contract that said "i ride for this team, unless they fancy someone else". Imagine the amount of team fall outs in the past that would have resulted in team managers confiscating the bikes and leaving the riders jobless mid-season. Performance based get-out clauses are becoming more common, but thats a different issue.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 8 2008, 07:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>it's called small print tom. most contracts have it in my experience.
Riders employ managers to read that small print buddy, they aren't just letting themselfes get shafted every year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 8 2008, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Riders employ managers to read that small print buddy, they aren't just letting themselfes get shafted every year.
yeah, did you hear about rossi's now ex manager ?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 8 2008, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I just think it would be illogical to have a contract that said "i ride for this team, unless they fancy someone else". Imagine the amount of team fall outs in the past that would have resulted in team managers confiscating the bikes and leaving the riders jobless mid-season. Performance based get-out clauses are becoming more common, but thats a different issue.
Tom your making a mountain out of a mole hill.We are talking about ONE race because of injury,not replacing riders on a whim or a fancy.If the manager of a team,any team,football, baseball,car racing or Moto Gp,feels that a certain player,rider is a detrement to the cause,he can pull the plug if he thinks its for the good of the team.
